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  1. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    That passage is ambiguous as to whether the ark crashed three years after the Nail appeared or waxed. I read as after waxes.
  2. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    Does anyone have a theory about what was up with the Nonman torture chamber that was divided up into thresholds to keep it hidden from the gods? We have any pieces to the puzzle of how that might work?
  3. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    Would be interesting to see if mentioned in TDTCB.
  4. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    I don't think WLW bled out his ears. I feel like in several Kelmomas POVs it is noted the WLw has bright red ears.
  5. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    Found this tidbit in TWP. Awesome Mimara foreshadowing. This is the end of the scene where Esmi tells Kellhus and Serwa that she sold Mimara to slavers:
  6. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    Bakker has described what he is doing as setting reveals rather than plot reveals. This makes me think we are in for more TUC revelations that will feel unearned in the sense that the reveal will "change the rules of the setting from what we expected." Yatwer can make earthquakes and Anjokli can do things other gods can't see are definitely Benjuka rule changers. And I fear we will get more of them. Moreover, I feel that getting more of this sort is very intentional by Bakker. Maybe it will work as a Layer of Revelation. Maybe Madness knows . . .
  7. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    I guess you have me on ignore.
  8. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    No worries at all. Just glad to be unconfused.
  9. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    See now I'm confused why @Kalbear said lots of people noticed this. So I stand by my original post that WLW pov had changes we could have picked up on pre-TGO but we collectively failed. And had we picked up on it we might have had some correct speculation about WLW demise. Doesn't change how unearned the ending feels but makes me think we should reread and five Layers of Revelation a chance before forming final judgment.
  10. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    No I haven't! Promise. Just failing to recall topic brought up before. Great catches for spotting discrepancies before they came up in TGO if you did. That insight never permeated to the deeper causality discussion in any meaningful way did it? Sort of shows that Koringhus wrong that it all happened already?
  11. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    I disagree with why Ajokli did it. Clues are there that Ajokli did it because Ajoki is the only hundred to see the NoGod (what the other gods cannot see, what the WLE cannot see). So Ajokli is on Kellhus' side. I do agree the ending was unearned and frustrating and not my favorite. And I agree Bakker kept a lot of clues and would have been better if he had shown them in prior books. Isn't this inherent a bit in the Layers of Revelation technique? When it works well, Lokisnow, can re-read prior books and show how different the books are with the new information revealed. When it doesn't then Bakker didn't foreshadow the major plot point.
  12. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    Sorry, I must not have been clear. You linked to the TGO thread. I know others, since reading TGO, have noticed the changin WLW POV. I thought you were saying that people were noticing this before TGO came out. I made a comparison between to WLW POVs in the WLW book. My point was that we all missed the changes that were in WLW until this latest book came out. You said I was wrong and MSJ and others have brought it up before [they read TGO?].
  13. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    Oh people have been mentioning that the WLW povs differ pre reading TGO? I've missed that. Main other news Big Moe is alive shippers got a boost in this book. We long argued whether the Cish could shapeshifter faces in a realistic way. That's the crux of the Nerdanel argument that it wasn't really Big Moe in the end of TTT. The scene with Mallahat in TDTCB was ambiguous how realistic the faces shift was. But the scene with Meppa pretending to be Fanayal at the meeting with Esmi pretty definitively answers the realism question.
  14. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    No disagreement about lack of setup to Monmen ending. But I've been rereading the WLW pov and I got to say that it changes more than I think we realized before this book, so some subtlety was laid down we all missed. ******* The Narindar frowned and smiled. “The Four-Horned Brother … Do you know why he is shunned by the others? Why my Cult and my Cult alone is condemned by the Tusk?” The White-Luck Warrior saw himself shrug. ******* Then later that same chapter: ******** “The Four-Horned Brother …” the long-haired man was saying. “Do you know why he is shunned by the others? Why my Cult and my Cult alone is condemned in the Tusk?” “Ajokli is the Fool,” he heard himself reply." The long-haired man smiled. “He only seems such because he sees what the others do not see … What you do not see.” ******
  15. Bakker: The Great Ordeal SPOILER THREAD pt. II

    Maybe. If true there's an in-world explanation about the insane being more open to the Outside. So the hundred stones is even more loaded. Also works as foreshadowing for Kellhus killing the Hundred or 99 of them. A Dunyain took 100 stones and killed 99 symbols of the gods.