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  1. What are your S7 predictions?

    (Late for blacklists, and long rant is long, feel free to pass on...) Well, I only pray that you're right, of course, and all pertinent discussion subsequently validated by prospective developments ahead, that show!Jaime should eventually come out a bit more proactive in context and purpose of advancing old plots into new terriotory, heavy stalling immediately preceding heeded for good measure, if not better to adjust his story relevance quotient back to where it should be in the books. (Pinning all my hopes on the former outcome, because there's no patching up this mess of a character to be reticent about, his importance in the story and stalwart character development gone to waste through the years, and show!Jaime in turn left twisting in the wind. Horse deader than dead at this point, butt a fork in it, it's done.) There's been a lot of series long buildup towards a couple of big moments ahead, that much I concede, saying here on a loop, there must be at least one significant Tyrion/Jaime reunion in the cards, perhaps, to top it all off, more prolonged interactions to this effect, if season five Jaime spouting off about wanting to “split Tyrion in half” in retaliation for Tywin, were he to have some largely-impromptu run-in with the former in time, is any indication at all. Of oourse, ever since he joined show!Dany's retinue, St. Tyrion would make due haste to praise his brother's soiled name to the holy heavens in Dany's midst, so we can take that to the bank. Also the Dany/Cersei showdown foreshadowed in the finale, and doubtless thus conceived to bring everlasting shame to such a name, presumably a la mixed bag Cheryl and Khaleesi. (Is Cheryl a mother beset with deepest grief over the loss of her youthly offsprings, is she now absolutely free to boast of a wrath worse than that of hell itself? Could very well be, poor woman has been jilted at every turn for eons before, though not by Larry, bless his loyal heast, so she might as well have UnGregor carve her a bloody path through the streets of KL, with all the unsavoury implications, and she'd be completely justified in that tirade of hers against all things living and breathing.) They even set up Cheryl's incredible (quite literally) coronation to swiftly cut in the wake to Dany on Greyjoy ships setting sailing for Westeros, not to mention the matching black outfits of regal splendour and female recognition. All the same, they were careful to remove any potential source of conflict from show!Jaime's relationship with Cersei on the screen, I rather doubt a breakup belongs there with the rest. Far from just grovelling to her and being Cersei's thrall throughout, D&D even had him swear bloody vengeance on their enemies for all time and eternity (just a thought, but Lancel is now dead, and Bronn being right there beside Tyrion in season two, and a witness to his coming clean with the latter about Cersei/Robert, never did go any where to begin with), and generally acting out of place with his book story (see “I’ve lost a hand, a father, a son, a sister, and a lover, and soon enough I will lose a brother. And yet they keep telling me House Lannister has won this war”, as opposed to “We are the only ones who matter, everything they've taken from us we’re going to take back and more.”) Not only that, midway through season six, and in the company of prisoner of the crown Edmure Tully no less, they doubled down, too, and had him compare their sisters favourably, Cersei “burning cities to the ground” in mitigation to be set against whomever dared to touch a hair on her children's heads. Was he trying to make quick end of war, as much as end the siege without bloodshed, sure, but that was uncalled for in any case, and makes no sense whatsoever in the grand scheme of things, quite the opposite. Going out on a limb, perhaps, but Cersei's reaction to news of Tommen's demise, she torched a good half of the city while her son was still alive and kicking, knowing full well what that might lead to, as happened in no short order. (Something else I just remembered, but Jaime was supposed to go against show!Cersei's wishes when he thought to barge into the sept uninvited, and make it so that the Faith might let Marg go, but who was there to release her anyway, and what was all that about. They should just write themselves into the show, because clearly there's no story to be told...) And last episode around, we were treated to yet more knowledge of Tyrion being quite intimate himself with the wildfire plot, and the particulars of Jaime's most remarkable investiture in the wake of the grand Aerys debacle, but once more, make no mistake, that was D&D having lost thread of their own canon. (Never mind Jaime opening up to Brienne in season three, apparently he's beeen telling people left and right since the moment of his big return to K, we're meant to infer.) But that's how they gutted Jaime's story with Brienne, he says to Catelyn in Clash, Cersei and Tyrion keep no secrets from him, and he from them, as is their wont, but that's just not true, else why all the hullabaloo over Tysha, and Maggy's prophecy in Feast. Yet Jaime spilling out his soul in a bathtub at Harrenhal, before a girl he barely knew but was desperate to make her like him, well, there was some importance to their encounter in the wake, too. So Jaime told Tyrion, too, presumably after that most offensive line of dialogue about cousin Orson was over and done with. Off-screen, I suppose, but what's there to exclude the possibilty he let Carol in on his big secret as well? I confess, that would most definitely be a new low for Larry, shooting his mouth off before one that repeatedly threatened to “burn cities to the ground.” (Thrice, I might add, and certainly well within Larry's hearing the first couple of times, but regardless, how to make show!Jaime even less astute, and look the part, too, I wonder.) The books won't go there, I believe, with Cersei blowing up the sept, and do correct me if I might be mistaken, but didn't Tyrion instruct the alchemists in Clash to remove some of the caches hidden all over the city? Was that ever depicted on the screen, I hardly know myself. Bottom line is, I wouldn't be surprised if show!Jaime told Cersei, and in the aftermath of a grand explosion feels conflicted, perhaps, thinking he might well be complicit in her actions in some form. We shall see, of course, but I didn't read much more than exasperation from Jaime in that scene where he's swiftly divested of his jetpack to KL and, finally, face to face with Cersei after the short time that has elapsed. Again, if I'm not completely mistaken, D&D said Cersei's a monster now, yet one that Jaime still very much loves. (He's terrified of her, not angry, that's the key here.) Then, of course, they went on, just hammer it in, that of all the characters, she's by far the most interesting to write for. It is my understanding that NCW also let it drop that there's a chance Cersei might be forgiven in Jaime's eyes, though, granted that would be very nasty, too, she's just fresh off a mass explosion, and more heinous acts. And another interview of LH, which way the pendulum swings, were Cersei's actions revealed in a light best calculated to make the audience feel for her, but how can that even be. Truthfully, I wouldn't be surprised if the story goes either way from here on in. Someone has got to prop up show!Cersei, so it's a good bet to suggest Larry should spent season seven glued to her side. Show!Jaime has no story of his own, but twincest has its own never-ending arc instead...
  2. [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    My interpretation is that they seem to want more to happen with these two (Jaime/Brienne) yet, just not in the very near future, but in the meantime, still wavering as to the minutiae of their story, together and apart, the parabolic trajectory they might soon follow... Might be next time they meet, they'll be in a somewhat better position to hold forth. It's the rule of three, I doubt another meet-up in time will be quite divested of some form of declaration of feelings, granted that any motion submitted until then is bound to come off as strictly editorial...
  3. I don't know. I appreciate the perspective you bring to discourse, so just pinning all of my hope on this particular gesture, that you might have the right of future developments this one time around, too. I've not been to the race track for these things in ages, but D&D most surely have, in their own turn, not out of any sense of appreciation for logistic consistency, and certainly not in compliance with certain aspects of the story, but mostly with tongue planted firmly in cheek, perhaps, being rather of a disposition in which they trivialized those most innocuous of storytelling staples themselves. They made due haste to praise Tyrion's manhood to the heavens, there was even a report along those lines, so they had every female character, or near as much, within the story picking up the UR awesome mantle in rapid succession. (Missandei laying compliments at his feet, too. Also her hero...) There was another dick joke there with Jorah, and then that was turned into a plot device to spirit both away from the slavers' lair in season five. (And before that, they invested so much trying to dilute the unsavoury imagery running through Sansa's scenes with Tyrion as husband and wife, namely their wedding night, but I digress. Bare facts are, I couldn't stand reading about Sansa glooping along beside Tyrion in the books, heavy bags under her eyes, and having recently been plugged into the Lannister collective against her will, but it was still pretty neat, that dig she took at Tyrion in the privacy of her thoughts, and his manhood.) But the books are the books, and show is show. Come season six, turns out Tormund might be all over Brienne at the earliest opportunity. Who was previously there as a friend to Jon during his time with Ygritte, coming up with dick jokes on the fly. (He talked some pretty good game in that other episode, so we can take that to the bank.) Bottom line is, any such spoiler regarding the whereabouts of Oathkeeper might soon prove to be fake. All the same, these are, after all, the writers who came up with all the bad pussy stuff, and went on to claim an award on top. So I wouldn't really put it past them to botch things up that way, too, might not be above any thing less...
  4. Yeah, he would about fit the bill for me, I concur. Besides, someone has to, and poor Larry doesn't cut it in any real sense any more, does he. Might as well give the edge to Edmure here, but I'm still coming to terms with the loss of Jaime beard to match the semblance of his book story arc he was finally allowed to get back. Couldn't they just tack it on somehow going through his Riverlands storyline, quibbles. I'm also thinking, so far as Oathkeeper, were Brienne to hand it back in the aftermath, that would be the final straw. She's rejecting him as a man, that's what this is about. Carol, however, would never do that, she even got him that golden hand of his, to match the gold in her hair. Before this, I didn't know there were degrees of being matchy-matchy...
  5. True, and of course, the second option in this set of related propositions is so much more disturbing than the first one. (Not that we should expect any better from a writing team bent upon conveying such a remarkable, no less, lightness of spirit with the bad pussy line they'd force upon the viewing audience, I suspect.)
  6. why was Ladystoneheart cut out

    I mean, how to kill all the hype, when they settle for titles along the lines of "Mother's Mercy"? In hindsight, that was about show!Cersei, or whatever passes for their interpretation of the book character, but it was hard to tell at the time. And they're big on the resurrection theme this year, too, nothing makes sense any more...
  7. [Spoilers]Has Jaime become comedic relief?

    She said to him in the White Sword Tower, you're a changed man now, what has happened. So note the author spells it out there, there's fear in Cersei's eyes. Then, of course, he sends her away and gives Brienne Oathkeeper. I think this must be thrice now that Jaime has picked Brienne over Cersei, explicitly or implicitly (GRRM's rule of three.)
  8. why was Ladystoneheart cut out

    My bad, that was a mistake, I meant nine. But thank you! (Typing too fast, and not going over the post in its entirety.)
  9. why was Ladystoneheart cut out

    Yes, that's probably the best guess I can put my mind to at present, that they might too be thinking their way around some semblance of interpretation in the broadest senses of the term. Could be vaguely idiomatic, too. (It cannot possibly be Sandor, though he's, of late, taken a turn for the worse, what else is left to do on GoT, and she'd never bother making a friend of his like, quite the opposite.) Something else I just remembered, in the preview for the episode ahead, we do get to see Brienne rowing away from Riverrun castle, and she does not strike me as particularly happy to do so. Might be she's putting the carnage that is set to come about behind her for the time being, potentially worrying her head about casualties, too. If that's the case, my interpretation is that she's sitting out episode nine, and resuming action (or lack thereof, what was about bursting forth anyway) in the finale. Which, to my notions, probably indicates that all ends are tied down to another cliffhanger (surprise, surprise), thus putting to bed the notion that GoT will be advancing book plots into new territory, hell, no, or not near enough. Also all spoilers making Jaime's whereabouts as of episode eight a bit of a mystery to decipher, I'm thinking he and Brienne might reunite again next season on. I sincerely doubt they'd even consider bringing LS into the game (hee) after passing up every opportunity they had to do so, but it's entirely possible that was their plan all along. In the final analysis, Jaime might just go back to KL once more, in which case, I'll wager Brienne is left wandering the Riverlands under her own steam, whereupon she gets scooped up and faced with a conundrum as a result, or something kicks off and there's another reunion with Jaime. Bit of a headscratcher, really...
  10. why was Ladystoneheart cut out

    Isn't Arya supposed to be headed out to the Riverlands mid to end of season, too? There was a rumour, or some such thing, floating around in early September, if I recall correctly. Well, according to Graves these two are "weirdos", so there might have been a time when they'd just hug it out like old pals, because, why not...
  11. That is so disturbingly accurate. (Which probably means it's true, in some capacity, too...)
  12. [Spoilers]Has Jaime become comedic relief?

    Also I was still adding to that, but an important part of Jaime's character arc is about making a choice, particularly when none of the alternatives that face the character on course should ultimately work out, proverbial benefit of hindsight applied to for good measure, in his best interest. This want of personal deployment in shaping his story morally is explored by the author with a hefty touch during the siege of KL, just as well that he would pen in details of past experience and personal acquaintance, because Jaime's big moment with Aerys there is definitely the matrix on which Brienne's later encounter with the BWB and LS is modeled on, Lem comes right out and says to her, choose. (And even before that, Jaime would be confronted with the prospect of yet another development, which he might eventually heed under his own steam, when he decided to forswear Casterly Rock for Cersei, and that was a decision that, we're meant to infer, came at a cost to Jaime, too.) Of course, there's that the reader of the novel, privileged with a number of perceptions, is made aware of the interdependence of emotional, or even moral, judgments that provide such a rich seam to successive characters (here it is Brienne that is plagued by a set of dilemmas that matches the literary choices confronting the author), and though GRRM himself displays a great enjoyment in teasing out the relationships between representation, belief, and prejudice, these connections emerge subtly, through corresponding scenes and accumulating conversations. (That's, in no small part, the follow-up to Jaime's bathtub confession in the castle of Harrenhal, where he tells Brienne Robert had a choice in all that came to pass, and yet she's adamant that Robert's wartime conduct itself was permissible, if for no other reason than his was a case of acting out of unabiding love.) Just thinking along the gap of time since Brienne was rather privileged to find herself in Jaime's midst when he stuttered out the words (and GRRM was, quite assuredly, going for the Disney parallel there, he had Brienne force out a tentative disclosure of Jaime's changed, at last report, ways, like Belle defended Beast before the villagers when they wanted to storm his castle), but that's the shoe that hasn't dropped yet, what is ahead. And that's the coming-of-age quality the story recalls to vivid evocation, as much as what came before, upon her run-in with Biter, she found herself at the Inn at the Crossroads (there's a pattern in several stories, if anything, the location reveals certain connections with Arya's story, too, it directly involves the semiotics of choice.) Then, she contemplated going back to Tarth, but the thought did strike her, fleetingly, that she might return to KL and admit her failure to Jaime. Thematically, it would have so much more fitting if they had kept these few bits in, instead of making random plot points up, of course...
  13. [Spoilers]Has Jaime become comedic relief?

    Agreed, if that line was employed as a narrative device to effectively hint at a love story for J/B along the way, that was a near miss, but they're evidently going about it the wrong way, that much I concede. Jaime's relationship with Cersei may thus carry the weight of lifelong acquaintance, but it is a connection substantially foiled by the realization that the twins are seeing only in glimpses, or through distorted lenses. Notwithstanding that Jaime now shares a very important bond with Brienne, which issues a momentous challenge to readers and characters alike, for assessments of character are so clearly determined by the interior lives of the protagonists. Their interactions begin to also raise questions about how to know truly another human being, and, Jaime's bath confession, most of all, is characteristic of the irreverent narration of ASoIaF, as it challenges conventional assumptions and unexamined opinions. Neither of the two, initially, appear to crave the other's company, but they are both transformed by it, and so too is the reader in the text. True, harbouring feelings of a certain quality for someone does not always come with a choice, nor can any particular sentiment morph into love at the drop of a hat. All the same, that, in the context of Jaime's relationship with Cersei, is ultimately missing the point. On one hand, in a society such as that sketched out by the author in the course of the series, arranged marriages/unions of convenience are the norm, that the capacity to initiate/maintain a sexual relationship with a partner of one's own choosing should be limited to a select few cases. So far as J/C, however, they definitely chose to be in a relationship - it wasn’t something out of their control. And book!Jaime certainly never felt sorry or guilty for any part of it, and didn’t regard it as something out of his control, that he just couldn’t help doing. Quite the opposite, in fact. Any form of idiosyncratic utterance that could take on the hues of various externalized soliloquies, say, along the lines of "why did the gods make me love a hateful woman?" is noticeably absent in the books, too. He did place Cersei upon a pedestal, but he was wholly committed to her, too, no two ways about it. Then, of course, he finally saw that their affair they had going for years would not quite live up to what he had built it up to be, at which point he does distance himself emotionally from her, finally rejecting her symbolically by burning her letter in Feast, the climax to his character arc, and a long-time coming, no pun, at that, in contention with released core canon. Yet more like instances, the show misses by a mile...
  14. I agree. That well-worn nod to Brienne's arsenal of gentle comportment and tentative tenderness (the Beauty of the story), which is very much a focus in the books, the show would be quite eager to do without, but the Beast (Jaime) is not very sexy, either. And that's a deadly thing to do to a romance, they're missing a lot here, I rather marvel that they can get back on track for the rest of the story to begin with...
  15. (SPOILERS) Criticise Without Reprecussion - Rant & Tear apart

    I thought I'd put this here, too, where we might perhaps discuss it, to an extent: http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/23/game-thrones-brienne-tormund (Apologies if the article is extraneous to the matter at hand, but it all ties back to the series, in the end, is it a contrivance, or was it intended, as part of the story...) Truthfully, I'm rather confused as the situation holds. I still think they're telling a romance for Jaime and Brienne, there's no two ways about it, even as I might have dealt them a better card to begin with, had they shown a skilled enough hand for conjuring up the more subtle underpinnings of the narrative itself. Still, it is rather odd that they nearly had Sansa bung the more frivolous matter of Tormund into Brienne, when she might as well broach the more glaring topic of Oathkeeper with her, then whence flows the rest... TL;DR. Jaime is yet to be afforded a mention in Brienne's storyline, how fitting. Le sigh. Or, alternatively, D&D, and their disastrous attempts at good storytelling, especially of the more warming variety...