Curled Finger

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  1. Well, welcome @Viilu79--hell of a conversation to get things going. But I like a good book chat and ideas. I've been studying the 1st Long Night myself lately and something caused it. I'm leaning toward the COTF having a hand in the lousy never ending winter, but I'm not convinced they have anything at all to do with the Others. I guess the Others could be transformed or mutated humans, but there is nothing to base that on. We are told repeatedly that the Others bring the cold, so I think they have a hand in the hard winter that was the Long Night, but I haven't figured it out. We have plenty of cataclysms: Hardhome, The Doom, the Breaking of the Arm of Dorne, the Ghost Grass and the flooding of the Neck, to name a few. If you look at the map of Essos you can clearly see serious terrain damage all over the place. We've already got the Dayne's claim that the 1st one followed a falling star to Starfall and he built his castle of the material of the fallen star. And his sword, too. So we know something fell on Planetos at least once. That oily black stone is another thing that seems to have fallen out of the sky, at least where the 5 forts are. We have satellites and all sorts of space junk fall to our planet all the time. There is no reason a comet or asteroid or moon or star or even another planet didn't crash into Planetos. You seem to like Youtube. I enjoy listening to theories. An American Thinks has a nice 2 part idea about the Gods Eye being a giant crater and I like it. He throws in some real world comparisons. I reckon our red comet is a thing in here somewhere. It seems to come around, at least Rhaegar claimed he saw it on the night Aegon was conceived. Now Dany sees it right before her dragons hatch. Coincidence? You can't really discount anything that may have happened in ancient time or the Dawn Age. Records were not kept, but the oral traditions and lore have been passed down for at least 10,000 years if the stories from Yiti and Dorne have any truth at all. The timeline is impossible, with Valyria being established as far back as the Long Night and Ironborn and Old Town just always having been there. The COTF are credited or took credit for causing catastrophes. Magic exists. Dragons fly and greenseers see through time and black candles are burning. This red comet means different things to many characters, dragons, kings--this thing has been around more than twice to Westeros. You could be on to something here. Or not, but it's still fun to toss around. Good choice, Man.
  2. A known bastard...hrm...well, if the bastard was legitimized there would be no place for Ned or Cat. However, I'm not so sure the rules in the south apply so much in the North, where a bastard can actually can rise high. Ned was beloved by most of the lords of the North. But Ned was still a younger brother and I'm fairly certain a known bastard of Brandon's would come before Ned. Now that you open up this can of worms, where would Ned have gone if there was a known bastard after said boy child came of age and took the rule of Winterfell? Do you have to be legitimized to be a Warden? Cat wouldn't want any child of any Stark around who might disrupt her kids' claims. She would be lousy to the child.
  3. @KingLordPresidentMaster, it's not a stupid question at all. I'm sort of wondering how the dragons will react to a herd of elephants--big creatures their own selves. It's been a minute since I read the Tyrion and Vic chapters from TWOW, but I do recall command of some of the forces being confused and a short man with a long shadow right in the midst of it all. I would expect Tyrion will know how to further confuse things and somehow untangle this mess.
  4. This is pretty good detail teasing @Lord Varys. I wondered about big dragons on ships too and assumed they flew with the ships. We don't know much about the bond between dragon and rider, nor how that bond is really forged. I get the egg in the cradle. That actually makes some sense. It is the larger, older dragons who seem to sort of choose their riders. Maegor waited for Balerion? Really? I suspect there is some sorcery involved in this sort of bonding. Maybe that horn of Euron's will work? You can't just decide you will ride Balerion. Particularly when you never bonded another dragon. It's unlikely. There is more to it.
  5. Isn't it possible GRRM is referring to both boys in this? They do share identity and they are milk brothers.
  6. It is soooooooo good to see you! I see your point here. Man, it's still sad. It is the best explanation I've read yet.
  7. Wait a minute. Truth is listed in the Westerosi inventories. Why isn't it in Westeros?
  8. Interesting read, @hiemal. I'm not good with symbolism or riddles and Patchface utterly stumps me. The GOHH however, is easier to grasp once I settled in to the possibility she may be a COTF. Mushroom. Hrm. He's so absurdly outlandish--it's hard to believe him though I suspect there is some truth in all his mad assertions. He seems to enjoy being squarely in the middle of things and I reckon he is more of a disturbing force, playing factions against each other for whatever joy it brings him. Dontos was made a fool, only a drunkard knight before. It makes me wonder what the point of saving his life was if only to have Little Finger end it. I guess the necklace and escape plan were a big deal, but it could not have been the only way to spirit Sansa away or kill Joffrey. It seems you're right on with your choices all being outsiders on the inside. Mostly the fools are annoying. They don't seem to be funny and I guess I just don't grasp the motive behind a grotesquerie or putting the simple minded on display. Perhaps it's a widely used ploy? Still Patchface is the strangest of them all. He's got to mean something even if his prophecy is hard to understand?
  9. It was better when he was going to shut everyone up by not posting anything ever again. This is not exciting to me. I like this show, but I doubt I will spend any time at all on a spin off. Who cares? Really? I'm really glad GRRM is happy about stuff going his way. Maybe he's just too busy to write ASOIAF these days? Still, it might be fun to ID that Dairy Queen!
  10. How did i miss all this fun? I will throw in. Back before I read the books I happened to find myself behind a car covered in ASOIAFisms Winter Is Coming, Cercei/Qyburn 2016, A Lannister always pays his debts, A man who reads...I heard some co workers discussing the show and heard Winter is Coming from them once and asked. I've since ended up behind more Winter is Coming stickers and a strange lot of young men with half red/half white hair. A young man I know is a machinist. He needed a tool at work and when no one admitted to having the tool he called the group a bunch of Lannisters. The guy at Target wears a red I demand Trial by Combat shirt at the register. A customer was building something on Bolton Road in Los Angeles and all I could do was answer "Our Blades are Sharp", appropriately I think.
  11. Well, now that my day of chores and shopping is completely ruined by this discussion, let's settle in for some chewing of fat. You've given me much to consider over the years, my friend and I'm very pleased to come up with something you have not given much thought to in the Ifequevron/COTF thing. I've just finished reading in the Wiki about Asshai and Mel. There is no life in Asshai. The Asshaii are dark and solemn. There are no children or animals, yet dragons are seen in Bran's vision just as Dany's eggs are said to have originated in Asshai. Do we have some very bad information about Asshai? It seems there are humans who do survive there as well as a thriving economy and free will, not to mention dragons and dragon eggs. Surely dragons and blind fish count as animals of a sort? Could Asshai have carefully cultivated tourist/conqueror dissuading propaganda like the Skaggosi? I cannot think of the glory days of YiTi without considering Asshai. Aeromancers are listed among the prominent citizens of Asshai. Interesting. You are far more knowledgeable about the Dawn Age than I. Is Asshai a remnant or warning about the type of power the Bloodstone Emperor held? The oily black stone of the 5 Forts is said to have fallen from the sky and was worshiped by the BSE. The material is found in far flung reaches of this planet, but is represented on each "continent" that we know of. This falling from the sky was a world event, I take it. The 5 Forts were fashioned into guard shacks that could house 10,000 men each I think. Isn't that a curious coincidence with the Nights Watch with their 10,000 members at the time of Aegon's conquest? The forts were supposed to have held opposing forces or darkness at bay, so it's not difficult to draw a comparison between the 5 Forts and Wall. Whatever The Others are, they've been a world threat at least once, not bound to Westeros by any means. I think this is why there are so many regional heroes equated with Azor Ahai and The Last Hero. The Others were everywhere. As you are fond of saying, the Lightbringer Incident may have set all the strangeness into motion. And it may have. I just want to understand the incident better. Hybridization isn't so much where I was going with the Ibbinese as their very specific reproductive nature. Ibbinese men can impregnate other women, but if often results in stillbirth and monsters (abominations, any one?). Ibbinese women can only produce viable offspring with Ibbinese men. This is extinction restrictive by the laws of natural reproduction. I don't know how the Others reproduce, but the NQ was said to have taken the NK's soul with his seed. If NQ is a female Other, was she capable of drinking the human NK's soul? There of course may be no connection to the reproductive nature of the Ibbinese and Others. Just a curious thing to be explained in a history book, that's all. I hoped there might be some "tell" in this.
  12. The Dusky Woman's reactions to Moqorro indicate an abhorrence to the Red Priest. This is a curious reaction for a Valyrian in light of the Red Priests in Essos clamoring to Dany's fame, declaring her Azor Ahai. The only other people I found describes as having "dusky skin" are the people on Naath and Missandei, who is of course, from Naath. The Naathi are gentle people, vegetarians and pacifists. Would a Naathi react in the manner of the Dusky Woman to the arrival of a fire warrior?
  13. As usual, your timing is impeccable @hiemal! The blue blood cannot be happenstance. This could in fact be the origin of the of the importance of King's Blood in blood magic. Honestly, I've always thought the Others were alien and probably the 1st inhabitants of Westeros if not the planet. We all know how my thinking something rarely makes it true, so let's assume I'm wrong here. If not of another world or natives what could the Others be? Made creatures? Learned race like the Valyrians? Do we know for certain that the Valyrians were not made? I think not. Too much reference to the mixing of human and bestial blood in that backstory. You've done some homework on the things that could make blood blue. What causes red blood to appear red or even black as we read so often? The NW makes much of their "black blood"--something of an elitist statement, but perhaps telling? I've been playing with the similarities between the COTF/Others and the Ibbinese/Ifequevron lately and see clear parallels. The Ibbinese still exist though the Ifequevron seem to have disappeared--not unlike the COTF of Westeros only the readers and a very few characters actually know exist. Could it be that the COTF and Ifequevron are the warring factions and each had a hand in the design of their monsters--The Others and The Valyrians? Not in the way HBO puts forth, but in combining different creatures to create exotic races or species to do their fighting for them? Their educations would be similar but very different having access to different types of particular magic perhaps inhernet to the lands of Westeros and Essos? Are the Ibbinese the 1st and failed product of this tinkering? Is the peculiar reproduction of The Others a result of something gone wrong as seen in the Ibbinese? This is really fascinating stuff, heimal. Are you willing to take anything suggested above and apply it to the obvious meaning of blue blood--royalty?
  14. Hrm, reading through and wondering why the dragons were not cremated like their human counterparts? That's just odd if you ask me.
  15. OK rather than pick on my friend @Nevets because I know he will come back with something entirely new to consider...a more public musing. Sam and Gilly are a team. This baby is important to both of them even though they know baby is NOT Gilly's baby. This is sort of where Horn Hill goes out with the bathwater for me. This is not the baby Sam loves. This baby, Dalla's boy, was removed from the Wall and we all know Jon's motives for doing this. That leaves Gilly's boy in a great deal of danger while Dalla's boy is far better off--far from Mel's weird rituals. I don't see a set up for Sam and Gilly to have both boys, so what's the deal here? Gilly's education has already begun in earnest. What can she really do in Essos? I got nothing and I'm not so sure Dany will jump happily on the Marwyn Love Train. Dany faces a more than full compliment of advisers upon her return and I really do think that foremost among them will be Tyrion. We've got Moqorro and Vic and no one really thinks that will go well. We've got Barristan who we should all be prepared to cry long and loud for. We've got Tyrion with Jorah and Penny, another one we should be prepared to cry for. And we've probably got a freaking khalisar in the wings. Dany is full to the brim with advisors. She understands her magic. Does she need to understand more? Unless Marwyn can give up something really useful related to Euron I can't get excited about this match up.