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  1. If Aegon hadn't...

    Yeah with Westeros' fetish for continuity and aversion to any sort of change my best guess is that the woudl still be a divided collection of kingdoms of about the same border with little, if any change. They'd kill each other ceaselessly in pointless wars over some border region or another. I thin Harlan would eventually have been overthrown because in Westeros it takes something like a dragon to bring about a permanent change in rule. There was also the Crownlands being a weak and ravaged border region that was continuously fought over by the surrounding kingdoms, the Iron Born being free to rape and plunder all along the West Coast, the wars over the Dornish borderlands. People act like the Blackfyre rebellions were frequent (which they weren't by Medieval standards) per-conquest Westeros probably hardly saw a summer without war. There was a LOT of fighting going on. The conquest I would argue actually improved the situation of the kingdoms. It wasn't exactly a vital or necessary improvement, but an improvement nonetheless. It allowed for safer, more unrestricted travel, it made it posible for certain kingdoms to "specialize" more than they could have as independent states and it got rid of borders that in 5 of 8 examples didn't make one lick of sense to begin with. As to "now everybody has to participate in every war"....not really? Right now the Dronish and the Vale have both managed to stay out of and stay untouched by the WoT5K. Granted that's about to change, but with what's bout to go down, there could be a hundred kingdoms and they'd all be effected still. And are we really no gonna argue whether it's worse to have one war or three simultaneous ones?
  2. Let's speculate about the future roles of Willas and Garlan

    I doubt they actually will be important by the common understanding of the word. They'll be Glorfindel important. Bard II important. Radagast important. i.e. they'll be doing something in the background we will hear about through envoys or some such. Something that's important to the internal story logic and that works to make the world coherent. But at this point I fairly doubt they'll be part of the on-page action. The only thing I could see would be them jining up with either Aegon or Daenerys in an attempt to safe Margaery if her trial goes south. And even then they'd basically be Maege Mormont and Greatjon Umber to Jon Con, Faegon or Daenerys.
  3. why does everyone blame Renly for Stannis's mistake

    That is true, however the books give the impression that Westerosi nobility is far more involved in their children's upbringing than real world nobility of a comparable time period and has a far greater sense of and desire for the (very modern) concept of a "nuclear family". This is especially obvious in Winterfell, but also in things like Cersei devoting an usual amount of time to her own children (compare that with English royals who often sent their kids off to their own households when they could barely walk and mostly communicated with them through letters). The child-parent relationship we see that is most authentic to noble parent-child relationship of the corresponding RL period is actually Robert and Edric Storm. In a setting completely true to real life there's a good chance Joffrey would have been at Dragonstone (or some rural estate) by the time of GoT, brought up by tutors (which, weirdly enough, would have been the better option here) And the most realistic upbringing for a noble child of the time period would have been Renly who seemed to have been brought up alone in Storm's End after Stannis left for Dragonstone, and with him it was only because of the tragedies and war that struck his family and employed both his brothers elsewhere. Aside from special circumstances (supplying Jon Arryn with surrogate sons, getting Sweetrobin away from his beloved smother) we also hear of fostering children out far less frequently than it was common.
  4. why does everyone blame Renly for Stannis's mistake

    That's correct, Robert was a horrible husband and would have been a horrible husband to any kind of woman. But likewise Cersei could have had the perfect, doting husband, who spent all his time devoted to her and her beauty and she would have still slept with Jaime. In her twisted mind she would have probably thought of a devoted husband as "weak" or "dimwitted". Pycelle is the "creature" of anybody who pays him. He isn't the most loyal henchman.
  5. The way the Andals from the time of the invasion actually makes them seem like dirty, fanatic savages who mutilated their own bodies and had religion as the only unifying factor among them. This, couple with the fact that at least two prominent Andal houses (Gardener/Tyrell and Lannister) were really just a continuation of original and that castles like Catserly Rock are believed to predate the invasion, I can actually see the Andal invasion taking not the form of a replacement of the First Men population south of the Neck, but rather of an assimilation of the invading Andals into the already present First Men. Following that idea the Common Tongue might even be First Men in origin rather than Andal, which fits with the idea of it being older than the conquest. The North (and technically the Iron Islands and the Sisters) were just the region(s) were the First Men elite/leadership wasn't replaced, they kept their religion(s) and didn't adopt Andal cultural trappings tied to the new religions (like knighthood) while south of the neck the Andal arrivals adopted quite a bit of First men culture, including their language. By now of course all of it is one people genetically, as GRRM has stated.
  6. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    Except Rickard Karstark and Robb Stark aren't even remotely kin (unless you accept pretty much the whole North as Robb's kin). Still he thinks that his special status as a Karstark exempts him from justice and punishment, like he demanded for himself. And killing POVs is also a taboo. He's self-righteous. Also fairly stupid and a warmonger, but mostl self-righteous.
  7. why does everyone blame Renly for Stannis's mistake

    Well Joke or not, Stannis is the type of person who would interpret almost everything as a sleight against himself. Now imagine a Stannis/Lysa pairing... t would be an endless cycle of assumed insults...
  8. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    Karstark was self-righteous. "No, Robb, you can't speak justice over me and execute me! I might have just committed a heinous war crime by butchering two unarmed children who also were our POVs, which pretty much throws out any safety for any of our people who are POVs with the Lannisters. You can't punish me for all that. Because we are related! That makes me better than any other people you might execute for similar crimes! I'm above justice! Except when it's revenge for my sons, then I demand my 'rights'"
  9. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    After they had conquered Westeros the Targaryens had any right to rule over it, that's how feudal warfare works. And there's enough Andals and First Men who are entitled beyond belief and basically walking balls of slime and self-righteousness: Rickard Karstark, for example. In fact even the protagonist frequently act entitled and dismissive of commoners, like Catelyn thinking Edmure to be foolish for sheltering smallfolk in his castle during a terror campaign she casued, Arya expecting everyone to live by her personal idea of right and wrong regardles of their personal circumstances while also expecting society's norms to bend over for her, or Sansa being a vacuum of empathy even for lesser nobles like Ser Hugh or Jeyne Poole. Robb caused untold suffering for something as illusory as revenge and Stannis is causing untold suffering because he feels entitled to an uncomfortable chair. Tyrion acts like he's the poorest, most wronged person in the whole of Planetos, when really he has lived a life of luxury and comfort and the second he loses it he devolves into a whiny (well...even whinier), obnoxious mess. The Tyrells come into King's Landing acting like saviours by bringing food to a city they themselves had purposefully starved mere days before.... I wouldn't say the Targaryens come off as any worse than the various Andal and First Men houses.
  10. What do we know about septa Mordane?

    Then why say it would be strange to have a Northern Septa who is in charge of educating two Northern Girls be knowledgeable about Southern court politics? Really nothing at all is strange about that situation, particularly once we consider Catelyn. It depends which nuns we are talking about. Just like medieval monks who could be anything from scientists to hermits, medieval nuns came in a wide variety of flavours. We had the nuns who were like the silents sisters, their convents being all about seclusion and praying ceaselessly for the salvation of others and the ones who were nurses and had to sow soldiers together after battles. And we had the nuns who were more like Septas who did charity and mission work, who educated the daughers of nobles who performed experiments and wrote books and nuns who really flaunted their habits, being seen and admired as they went to every popular pilgrimage in Europe. Sure being a nun still sucked, but so did everybody's life in the Middle Ages and being a Septa doesn't seem fun and games either. And in a society were a girl was little more than an asset her father could trade off to one of his friends/associates/whatever even a shitty way out of it sometimes just didn't seem so bad. As a nun you were relatively safe from unwanted advances of any kind and could even draw the Jesus card to get a bit of authority and respect. The point was that the Septa-like nuns tended to be educated, just like Septas seem to be pretty educated. And a woman in charge of educating noble born girls about how to behave as a lady knowing about courts (and secifically the Royal Court, the most important court there is) isn't exactly "strange"
  11. Is R´hllor real god in ASOIAF

    I will say that among the various gods we meet in the story R'hllor seems like the one who seems the most like he could be real. Not because of fire magic or the resurrections, but because he'd fit the reality of Planetos the most. A pretty sinister, demanding and merciless god-creature that sees humanity as his tools instead of his children or even pets. If Planetos has a god I would say it'd be a lot like R'hllor. That being said, I'm certain R'hllor will not appear or otherwise factor into the story in a way that can't be explained as the machinations of a human. GRRM has said that the gods "won't take any more active role in the story than they currently have" As long as he's more subtle about it all than the HBO series I'm not bothered about the status of the gods of Planetos and rather not see any of them appear on page. No.
  12. Numbers and their significance in the story

    3: The Christian holy trinity, the classical motive of the three brothers/three sisters in fairy tales, the three estates for Medieval society, the various Roman Trinities (the Archaic one, the Capitol one...and the one with Ceres, Liber and Libera, forgot what it was called) the Three Moroi/Fates the Three Magi, the whole butt-load of Greek trinities of minor gods and monsters (at one point they had eveything in threes; three Charites, three Moroi, three Harpies, three Sirens, three Gorgons, three Grae, the Three Judges in the Underworld etc. and Cerberus' three heads) The three baleful moons of Levantine origin. Three months to each season, three worlds (Celestial, Terrestrial, Infernal/Chtonic)with their respective gods, the three bodies/identities of Hecate (who, as some philosophers said is Selene in the aether, Artemis on earth and Persephone in Hades), three witches in McBeth. Past, Present, Future. Three wishes from a jinn/good fairy. The Talmud (I think) concept of seperating the natural world into Earth/Water/Sky with their respective kingly beasts (Behemoth/Leviathan/Ziz) For a time ancient Greeks had three seasons (Spring,Summer,Winter) The probably, proto-Germanic Trinity of Wodanaz, Teiwaz and Thunraz.. Christ rose after three days, Christ was denied by Peter three times. Vishnu, Shiva and Brahma in Hinduism, three Archangels (after some traditions) The biblical concept of the three pillars of the human mind: Faith, Hope, Love. The concept of the primary colours and three secondary colours. Three Musketeers. The concept of a bond of deep, non dividable riendship between three people, the three kinds of love in Greek philosophy, the three castes of Plato's perfect state I can go on and can get increasingly obscure. 3 is an important and significant number since earliest Greek antiquity. For long the Greeks also held the triangle as a very important shape, because it matched their ideals of aesthetic and perfection. 7: Seven years of apprenticeship, seven celestial spheres (the Seventh Heaven isn't something GRRM invented), the fairy tale concept of being stolen for seven years, seven seas , the seven classical planets (5 modern ones +Sun/Moon) the seven deadly sins of Christianity (and more seldom, seven cardinal virtues), Rome's seven hills, seven days in a week, the seven colour spectrum (the guy who discovered it even made up Indigo so that it would fit the perfect number seven) Seven Arcangels (after other traditions) the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, the seven Notes in the diatonic scale, the seven catholic sacraments. The catholic concept of the seven sufferings of Virgin Mary, After Seven years ancient Hebrews had to release their Slaves. The world was created in seven days, seven plagues of Egypt, the seven churches in Revelations, the book with the seven seals in revelations, the various sets of seven supernatural rivers that crops up in mythologies (the seven rivers of the Underworld, the seven rivers of Paradise etc.) Seven chakras, the idea of a seventh son of a seventh son being able to see supernatural creatures. Seven Ravens, Seven Dwarf living beyond seven mountains, the biblical concept of seventy times seven and Cain getting avenged sevenfold. Some Greek philosophy portioned the human live into equal parts of seven years each, the seven liberal arts, the sven candles of the Menorah, the Seven against Thebes, seven years of ill luck after breaking a mirror (followed by seven years of good luck) The Lucky Seven in general. Here I can go on as well Like three seven gained importance in Antiquity. As I said above the Greeks really liked the triangle and they also like the square. So 3 and 4 were just awesome in their opinion (also symbolizing the three parts of cosmos and the Four Elements) and what do you get if you combine 3 and 4? 7! So seven was not only seen as the most perfect number there is by the Greek philosophers it also became a number symbolising the cosmos (three parts of the world + the four elements the world is made of) Late the Christians adopted that by saying "The Three parts of the Divine Trinity + the Four Elements of the Physical World =the Universe". If you want to count Tolkien's universe as well, there's the Three Clans of the Elves, the three kindreds of Elf-Friends that entered Beleriand, the three Silmarils, the three original tribes of Hobbits, The Three Ages the sotry spans from creation to the destruction of the Ring, the Three stores of untainted light Varda kept in some versions, the three sons of Finwe (and in turn the three royal lines of the Noldor, because the two daughters don't count apparently) the three Kinslayings of Elf against Elf... The seven Valar and the seven Valier, the seven clans of the Dwarves, the Seven names of Gondolin, "Seven Stones and Seven Stars and one White Tree" the Seven Levels of Minas Tirith, the metaphorical seven crowns Saurman speaks of,,,, So there's very good reasons GRRM uses those numbers frequently, prominently and repeatedly, because they have great cultural significance, which helps making Westeros feel real and familiar to us despite its made up history and its fantastical elements.
  13. What do we know about septa Mordane?

    Except no. Being of the Faith of the Seven it's likely that Septa Mordaine was born south of the Neck and considering the things she teaches Sansa and Arya it seems quite likely that Catelyn had her come specifically to educate the Stark Girls in the ways of a Southern Court. The two most likely reasons would be that Catelyn wanted to have some familiar culture around her in her new home (and since Martin admitted he forgot to give her ladies, and even if he had most of them would likely have been Northern ladies, as by the customs of feudalism) and that she was grooming her daughters to make favourable matches in the South. I really don't get this mindset that in order for somebody to know about the ways/legends/culture of a place they HAVE to originate from said place. Old Nan can't be Northern because she knows legends about the South, Septa Mordaine can't be Northern because she knows court politics (let's ignore the fact that the North seems to have courts as well, they just aren't as large or intricate) Why would people from the North only know about the North? There's books, there's traveling singers (one of the point of minstrels is the spread of news and info) there's tournaments were people meet, there's Masters.... and Westeros has an credibly reliable, incredibly fast way of communication in the form of their ravens. I mean do people think that's true for real life as well? That the only people who know about the history or government system of, let's say Sweden would be Swedes? Frankly, that's some 1984 creepy right there. Septa Mordaine is pretty much a nun and real life Medieval nuns were educated and sophisticated (depending on the convent) for many women up to the 20th century it was actually one of the few ways to get a proper education and to travel regularly (visit other convents going on pilgrimage) So Mordaine doesn't have to be yet another Secret identity in order to be knowledgeable about courts.
  14. Numbers and their significance in the story

    You realize that 3 and 7 are pretty much the most culturally important numbers in Western society, right?
  15. What do we know about septa Mordane?

    That has to be one of the biggest wads of bullshit I have ever heard in my life, and I have talked to people who (...no...let's not go there...) I mean I understand he just makes up crap that sounds suprising and shocking in order to get view, but why do people watch that? In order to make fun of it? I mean...that can't be meant or be taken seriously, right? ....right?