Orphalesion

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  1. Name one thing that would make the North worth any effort spent re-conquering it, one single thing that anybody would want.
  2. 1) Remember the "untapped Northern reserves" that supposedly are hiding out around that frozen wasteland. 2) What does the absence any example of the Northern Kingdom invading the south have to do with anything? 3)The North is not Dorne. In the North all you really have to do is ship some soldiers north of the neck and let them live off the settlements and the land there. 4) In the end it doesn't matter whether a invasion from the south would be successful. In fact, no invasion is even necessary. The fact stands that being independent won't save the Northerners from being impacted and involved with whatever happens a few miles south of them, which was the original point I contested. Whatever happens to the rest of Westeros, will still impact the North, since the neck is not a magical barrier that holds all the "nasty ebil" southern influence at bay.The North isn't Gondolin or Lothlorien. It's not even Braavos. The North is an ordinary country that is simply not capable to completely cut itself off from the rest of the world. The very next generation of Northern Kings might already involve themselves into Southern politics on their own accords. In fact the only reason they have their current problems is because that boy lord of theirs chose to involve himself into events that were going on outside of his domain. Nobody forced his hand in going south of the neck - nobody except his boisterous, war-hungry bannermen. 5)The point also stands that the North's biggest defense is that it has nothing at all to offer to the southern kingdoms. It's Siberia without the natural resources. All the Seven Kingdoms would lose is that glorified border patrol/penal colony at the wall, and chances are the North, unable to man that ridiculous structure themselves, would still accept the Seven Kingdoms sending men there. The North is Westeros oversized appendix. Kinda okay to have it, the process of losing it would pose some risks, but once it's gone nobody would even notice the difference.
  3. When Elizabeth I signed the death warrant for Mary Stuart we know that she felt that it was an unforgivable sin and crime to do so, since Mary was both her relative/kin and a sovereign put into that position by God's divine plan. So she'd both kill a relative and act against God's divine plan. It's written that she tried to very clumsily lie to herself about it by pretending she had not known that the very document she had just signed was Mary's death sentence and put the blame on her ministers for not telling her that this specific document among the many she signed that day was Mary's death warrant. People in the real world who have lived in very religious times have always found a way to absolve themselves of their sins. European kings murdered their relatives left and right and openly had courtesans (and bought absolution from the Pope fro such actions) Randyll could have had a servant or retainer "accidently" shoot Sam or trip his horse and then put the blame on said servant/retainer. "It weren't my hands who took Sam's life! He was murdered by this guy over there!"
  4. Last time I checked the king sat on a really tacky chair in King's Landing.
  5. What? Aside from "Great Northern Master Race" and Stark fanboys/girls who has "accepted" that ridiculous statement?
  6. The "king" also never was a king. He was a rebel who unlawfully rose up against his rightful liege. and since said rebellion failed and he never got to consolidate his claimed title, he was never king. So really,if the will is found all we'd have would be the will of a man who was declared traitor and who's house was stripped of power.
  7. Are you aware of the time when the Iron Born conquered a junk of the North, including taking Moat Cailin, right? Now imagine what a fleet drawn from the strength of the Seven Kingdoms could do, particularly at the onset of spring. The only advantages the North has 1)Winter, which leaves them vulnerable for years on end whenever summer comes, at best an independent Northern ruler might be a "Winter King" 2) The space is an advantage yes, but a lot of it is wilderness, which causes problems 3) Aside from the prestige that comes from the Iron Throne being able to claim all of Westeros, there isn't really anything north of the neck anybody in the Seven Kingdoms desperately wants or needs or would miss if the North pretends to be independent, so there might be less interest in re-conquering it. Doesn't change the fact that the North will only be "free" of those "ebil, nasty" southern plots for as long as the South allows them to be, not matter how "independent" they claim themselves to be.
  8. There's a "magical" new invention called ships. But I guess Northerners have never heard of it :-P
  9. Except they totally will. It's not like gaining independence will magically severe the neck and create a magical barrier that "protects" those frozen barbarians from everything that happens directly south to them. The only thing a Northern independence would lead to would be endless wars in which the Seven Kingdoms retake it.
  10. Nope, the Vale doesn't do it. There is a physical place inside the kingdom called "The Vale of Arryn" and the name was adopted for the whole kingdom. It's like "The State of Washington" So it's not "Region Name + Ruler Name" but only "Region Name" You have to look how these names would work: 'The Vale of Arryn" implies that there's a valley called Arryn. Vales/Valleys have been designated like that before in the real world and in fiction.Vale of Glamorgan ""The North of Stark" meanwhile implies hat there's a place called "Stark" and you are talking about the northern portion of that place called "Stark"
  11. Where is it done? Do you have an example of an awkward, unnatural sounding and gramatically wrong construction such as "The North of Stark"?? In English and not just one that sounds good in in the language that's actually spoken there and is only awkward when translated.
  12. Because that would sound ridiculously stupid? More importantly, the North is not named "Stark" and neither is the Reach called "Gardener". Those places are called "The North" and "The Reach" However with the Vale, the physical location, was named "Arryn" by the family, so it's not the name alongside the name of the Kingdom, "Vale of Arryn" IS the name of the Kingdom and would be so, no matter who ruled there. From what I have read it also seems that not only was the Vale the first landing point of the Andals, but it's pretty much the place where their replacement of the First Men Population was the most complete (compare how many of the other great Andal houses are a continuation of the older First Men houses of the same name) so it's not difficult to picture the first Arryn king to take possession of the land and name it after himself. Compare Washington D.C. Lousiana, Jamestown, Virginia, Adelaide, Charlotte and the various places called Victoria in the real world.
  13. Nobody deserves the stupid, ugly thing to begin with. Nobody deserves to wield power only because they were squeezed out of the right vagina at the right time. Monarchy being a bad system is one of the central points of ASoIaF. While the establishment of the Seven Kingdoms as a (somewhat) unified realm one dynasty being replaced by another is not unusual in a monarchy. It's called "Right by Conquest". Once the Baratheons on that ugly throne their word goes, since at the time they had the military might to back up their demands. And the Targaryens can do the same, restoring their dynasty. Then you are reading the wrong series. Stannis is not gonna be King, and neither is Gendry with the unusually large, angry squirrel Arya as his queen. Daenerys is coming and she has dragons.
  14. Yes he was, some people are just very upset that WoW isn't here yet and wile that time away by making up ridiculous theories and reciting the crackpot mantra: #EverythingIsTheOppositeOfWhatGRRMWroteOnThePage. Let's get some funny-coloured kool aid and join in the fun.
  15. Isn't the thing about the revived dead in Planetos that they are stuck in the mindset they had just before dead? So basically that means Lady Stoneheart has an eternal psychotic breakdown she channels into revenge, while still living Catelyn could have eventually recovered again in some way. Or is that all just fan speculation?
  16. Nothing about the scales in the series is in any way "realistic" and has never been so, meaning that isn't even an argument. The North by itself doesn't even come close to being "realistic" as a unified political body. Because no single faction was strong and smart enough to do so? Also sometimes it needs a smart, outside mind to solve a problem. Uh no it isn't. I'm tried of rattling that down again and again. Riverlands, Crownlands, Dornish Marches, Ironborn etc. etc. etc. For a medieval, feudal Kingdom the Seven Kingdoms are pretty damn stable and peaceful, even under the Baratheons before the War of Five Kings started.
  17. While that is true to some extend, don't forget that she's the lady of Winterfell, not lord or male heir to it. If she had survived she'd be likely put to use to secure the Lannister's/Iron Throne supremacy over the Riverlands and married to either a Frey or Lannister. Not the nicest fate, especially for a proud woman like Catelyn, but it would at least enable her to, eventually, see her surviving family members again (those that aren't off getting brainwashed by some death assassin cult)
  18. But there's ever so many... Daenerys is the daughter of Ned/Ashara/Lyanna, anybody except her actual parents Jon is the son of Ashara/Ned/Mance anybody but his actual parents (Lyanna and Rhaegar) All the clickbait Preston Jacobs shits out of his mouth. Jon and Meera Reed are twins because both are portrayed by actors with curly hair on the show. Jon has a twin in general. Ashara is Septa Lemore is Quaithe is the Polka Dotted Grace with Pink Stripes LML's imaginary space opera subplot that reduces the duel of Oberyn and the Mountain to artificial allegory for a non-existant comet and a non-existant blackhole moon (or w/e) Robb being Brandon's son Robb and Sansa being Edmure's children (Because they is not gud enuff to be teh Starkz blahblahblah) Wherever Whore's Go actually having any meaning that will be resolved Bloodraven warging everyone and everything Melissandre being the daughter of Bloodraven and/or Quaithe and/or that Seastar woman (forgot her first name, because who cares?) Dinosaurs come from an ancient Jurassic Park Euron is Daario is Syrio Forel is Mance is Rhaegar. All the theories that everything in the world has to have a secret meaning and must be an allegory to some imaginary mystery that is only a mystery in the minds of fans who are frustrated that WoW isn't around yet. "Great Northern Stark Aryan Master Race holds the Others at Bay" and "There must always be a Stark blahblahblah" having any meaning beyond "SOmeone must hold down the fort" "The Others come because nasty evil Catelyn had Ned cosnstruct a Sept to her dirty southerner mongrel Gods and defiled Winterfell's perfect purepure pureness" The Seven Kingdoms would be better off apart (nevermind the problems that would cause) Sweetrobin is Littlefinger's son. Stannis will be king/is a "principal character" (Drop that Stannis body pillow and get out of that river in Egypt, fanboys!) That everything mentioned in the World Book will be "important" to the story. Arya becoming queen (I ain't the father of no queens having deep and important meaningz and is totally not a perfectly ordinary means of saying a thing like that blahblahblah) Tyrion becoming king Sansa becoming queen That's all I can think of right now. I don't include theories where the creator celarly just intends them to be funny or that are so ridiculous that they are fun, just the ones that are stupid, boring and where the creator and their followers take them waaaaaaay too seriously.
  19. No. 1)Executing Jaime to avenge Ned makes no sense, since Jaime wasn't the one to kill Ned, he was nowhere near King's Landing when Lord Stark was executed. 2)Jaime was worth too much while alive. He was a golden bargain chip Robb could have used to get any number of concessions if he had managed to fight the Lannisters to a standstill. 3)Jaime's life ensures the safety of Sansa, (as far as Robb and Catelyn know) Arya and all other Northern/Riverlander prisoners. 4)Executing a noble and valuable prisoner of war because some honourless slime ball (aka Rickard Karstark) flaps his fat mouth a lot would have sent the message to all the other bannermen that Robb is a weak king who will give you whatever you want if you shout at him long and loudly enough.
  20. Sansa. I like Medieval court life and intrigue and the various facets and pretenses and customs of Medieval culture,a nd Sansa's chapters tend to have a lot of that. In addition to that I find her an interesting character and a good change from the more martial chapters. One of the times I got really upset with this series was when Sansa didn't get to Highgarden. Not because I wanted some fairytale ending for her, but because it meant we, as readers wouldn't get to see that place either. With those chapters I even managed to memorize several background characters on the first read (particularly Horror and Slobber) Catelyn. I could relate to her motivations and desires, even if I didn't always condone her actions, words or thoughts (but why would that be necessary?) Overall I felt a lot more for her than for many others. Her death didn't come as a surprise, I had been expecting it for some time, but it hit me more than that of many others. I particularly enjoyed her trip to the Eyrie and her interactions with Lysa. Jaime Lannister. While I'm overall not a fan of DWDFFC Jaime's character in his POV chapters, his search for redemption, soul searching and development turned him from a character I absolutely loathed to one of my favorites. I will be very, very sad when he dies and hope it won't be until the last book. Reek. Same as with Jaime really. With him I even liked the verbal/mental ticks he has developed. It's all just so interesting and entertaining in a psychologically messed up way. Reek Reek it rhymes with ....
  21. The thing is nobody actually cares about Aragorn's spelling reform, and GRRM just said that because he doesn't like to be measured against Tolkien. Plus we actually do get an idea pf spme of Aragorn's policies as a king (restoration of public parks and fountains, cultural intermingling, protection of minority cultures, re-colonization projects...) Tolkien just doesn't draw attention to them by crashing the story to halt to subject us to some repetitive audiences or council meetings (Tolkien only interrupts the story when he has a chance to describe trees) Of course you are right in that they aren't and yes, I have huge doubts on any Sansa/Aegon pairing as well. With Sansa I'm just completely clueless on what is gonna happen to her. We see some development towards leadership with Alayne Stone (the creation of the Falcon knights etc.) but how all that will fit inot the War of the Dawn...
  22. Oh i agree Sansa will have achieved something by the end of the story. She is one of my favourite characters. I'm just not sure we'll see that many dramatic, positive changes by the end of the story.
  23. But Elizabeth of York, as you correctly state in the "Henry?Elizabeth" parallel was only a queen consort, she didn't rule anything through her own power. So wouldn't that point more towards Sansa being a similar queen consort? That being said yes I could, theoretically see a Aegon/Sansa marriage, maybe as a renewal of that Pact of Ice and Fire and a way to keep the North within the Realm. And as for GRRm's plans...I'm not sure he has any concrete ones for Sansa since he has scrapped his original sotryline for her. What's happening to her seems like something he himself still has to find out. Tat's a bit very optimistic, on all ends.
  24. Again, in the real world it has significance and that's all that matters, because GRRM lives in the real world. Medieval historie and convention, which he strives to imitate (which he does a very good job at) loved the numbers 3 and seven. Since the days of the Greeks heaps of things came in threes and sevens. . Particularly seven is a number that people used to hold in high reverence and that still crops up in lots of literature to convey a sense of completeness, sublimity, perfection. An example from Tolkien: Saruman accuses Gandalf of having designs to usurp the "Crowns of Seven Kings". In the west of Middle Earth, at the time that was spoken, you could not find seven kings if you searched for them under rocks, especially not any worth usurping. What Saruman was talking about was that he suspected Gandalf of wanting total domination over Middle Earth.
  25. That's funny...because I'm sick of people desperately scrambling to piece together BS theories because they don't like the idea that Jon's parentage has been figured out long before it will be officially released.