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  1. It's not just unlikely, it's not possible. Both Rhaenyra and Laenor looked Valyrian, so they had recessive genes (bb alleles according Punnett square). Their children couldn't be dark haired. More chances that Robert is real father of Cersei's children. Robert's grandma was Targaryen princess, so he could have recessive Valyrian gene. Robert's Valyrian gene combined Cersei's golden blond would result in golden blond (like Cersei) child. Chances were 50/50. Chances for three blond children in row are 12,5 to 87,5 -that's unlikely, but still possible. Intermediate colors are also possible (at least in real life). The samples Ned found in the book were 90-120 years old: Dunk and Egg stories took place 90 years ago. Targaryen princess (daughter of Egg) wasn't married to Baratheon yet. And it seamed there were no more marriages between Lannisters and Baratheons after Baratheon wed Targaryen princess. So Ned's conclusion (as well as Aryn's) about "gold yielding before the coal" could not be applied to Robert's children. O course, if Robert didn't inherit his grandma gene, he could be BB, so he had no chance to have blond children. We know about five black haired children of Robert: Mya, Bella, Gendry, Edrick, Barra. But we don't know how all their mothers looked like, so bastards could have inherited hair color from their mothers. Barra's mother was red haired, Gendry's mother was blond. But at least one of Robert's mistresses was black haired: I suspect Becca is Mya's mother, because of big eyes association with owls: So Mya could have inherited her black hair from her mother, not from Robert. Similar situation with bastards of Oberyn Martell. Tyene Sand is blue eyed and golden haired. I would suspect she was not Oberyn's daughter, but Oberyn had Valyrian ancestry (princess Daenerys), so he was possible Valyrian genes carrier. Oberyn could have blond or even Valyrian looking children. Other Oberyn's daughters are dark haired, but their mothers also were dark haired (except from Lady Nym's mother, and I am not sure about Obara's mother). Same with Robert. If he was carrier of Valyrian gene, he could have blond or even Valyrian looking children. I don't really believe Cersei's children are Robert's . But chances that at least one child - Joffrey, Myrcella or Tommen - is Robert's are pretty good. As well as chances that some of unknown Robert's bastards are blond.
  2. Looks like Gwyneth is a bastard. Unless her mother is not blue-eyed blonde.
  3. I think Gerold Dayne descended from Maegor, son of Brightflame and Daenora Targaryen. That could not only explain his Targaryen look, but also his ambitions and why Martells are so concerned about him.
  4. I think we will see another bastard on Estermont: I agree that Valyrian look of children can be explained by presence of recessive Valyrian genes in Martells and Daynes. In fact a number of noble houses could possess minor Valyrian ancestry, because they could had intermarried with descendants of Targaryen princessess – Rhaena (had six daughters with Hightower), Elaena (her children Plum, Penrose and Waters), Aerea and Rhaella (possibly had children), as well as with Valyrian houses Velaryons and Celtigars and noble Lyseni (like Rhogare). But in this case firstborns non-Valyrian looking and younger Valyrian looking children could only be explained by pure coincidence. Cases with firstborn Valyrian looking child and younger children with their mother’s coloring are equally probable, though such cases are never mentioned so far. I agree. Incomplete albinism with very low concentration of melanin explains Valyrian features. It’s caused by defective pigment–related genes. But if normal pigment-related genes could be turned off it would also lead to albinism. That’s why I favor theory of epigenetic origin of Valyrian albinism. In this case Valyrians don’t need to possess any recessive albinism allele at all, just normal color-related genes, only they are turned-off by some mysterious factor in their bodies (blood) which is transferred to their children (save of firstborns). Maybe similar patterns could also explain why traits of other houses (Lannisters, Lothstons/Whents, Durrandons/Baratheons) persist through generations even without high degree of incest. Of course it is fantasy theory of inheritance, but it could work for sci-fi too. So if Ashara Dayne went to North her nose and ears would turn black? So cute, I like this idea .
  5. Genetics of Planetos doesn't have to be identical to real one. Maybe telegony works in ASoIaF fantasy world in contrary to real one. Inheritance of maternal hair and eye color is somehow blocked after first pregnancy. To me, repressing off maternal traits is best and in most simple way explained by some infectious factor (targvirus). Sort of a simple switching maternal pigment genes off. But possibly cells (blood) of first fetus stay in mother's body (thus it resembles microchimerism) and even partially replace mother cells and second child inherits Targ traits both from his mother (in fact from his elder sibling) and father.
  6. I only found this in ACoK, Tyrion IV: and: Plum is dark purple. Just another hint of Strangler color or something more?
  7. In Clash of Kings prologue were hints on Littlefinger's connection to Strangler poison: and again: Such a small man hold the power of life and death? Does "never truly seen the color before" hints that true Littlefinger's color is purple?
  8. I agree. I tried to explain this pattern in this thread on Targaryen heredity First pregnancy affects the mother genes somehow andsecond child doesn't inherit her otherwise dominant traits. Maybe it can be explained as sort of microchimerism (our world phenomenon), telegony or even some transmitted infectious factor which switches maternal color genes off.
  9. Craster had incestuous relationships with his daughters. Casterly was known to have several daughters. Could be possible, that Casterlys also practiced incest - maybe tried to keep their bloodline pure, in a way Targs did? Then Craster and his ancestors just continued this tradition.
  10. Officially Addam and Alyn were legitimized bastards of Laenor Velaryon, only no one really believed it, because Laenor was homosexual. Mushrom provided more plausible version on parentage of Adam and Alyn: Only how Addam could became dragonrider then? Corlys Velaryon was not dragonrider and couldn’t have been of recent Targaryen ancestry. Most likely dragon blood of Addam came from their mother side – Marilda of Hull was dragonseed herself (else their father was not Velaryon, but Targ, maybe Daemon). I have an idea, that Marilda was in fact Saera Targaryen, wayward daughter of Jahaerys and Alysanne. Saera was second youngest daughter of Jahaerys, she could be born in 80 (in awoiaf her birth year is estimated between 62 and 82), then she could be 35 when Addam was born. Sea Snake could easily find her in Essos and secretly bring her back to Westeros as his paramour. Then Marilda is not from Hull town, but from hull of Sea Snake ship . Of course Saera/Marilda could never reveal her true identity, because of her conflict with faith and her pleasure house career. I think this mistake of Old King could be caused not merely by his wish to see long lost daughter, but by some of his prophetic Targ dream about Saera’s coming back in future.
  11. I also came to idea about two non-twin children of Lyanna and Rhaegar. Only I thought maybe first child of Lyanna was born in Winterfell and she was „kidnapped“ after giving birth to her firstborn. Sort of parallel of Bael the Bard story – secret child in Winterfell. But maybe I just was wrong about timelines. Daenerys could be child of Lyanna and Rhaegar only if she is the second born child. This is because her hair and eye color: As many readers has noticed already firstborn children in couples of Targaryen males and non-Valyrian females always had hair and eye colour of their mothers, while second and subsequent children had Targaryen look. So far this rule worked without exceptions (I have an idea how it could work). Firstborn child of Rhaegar and Lyanna could look like Valyrian only if Lyanna had some secret Valyrian ancestry, which is very unlikely (yet not impossible). But golden silver hair is believable if Daenerys is secondborn child of Lyanna and Rhaegar, while Jon Snow is still the best candidate for the firstborn. And though I am not fan of theories R+L=YG, the colouring allows Young Griff to be second born child of Rhaegar and Lyanna as well (in this case he would be 1.5 -2 years younger than he thinks he is). There is also a slim possibility that Young Griff and Dany are twins. Twins could explain why labour of Lyanna was so difficult. And boy could had been spirited from Tower of Joy even before Ned arrived, thus he ended up in charge of Varys. Ned entrusted girl to Ashara Dayne, who swapped her with stillborn child of queen Rhaella.
  12. We expect some abnormalities to show up in children from incest marriages, where rare traits could be inherited from both parents. But Jahaera and her brothers were born not only from Targ incest but from Hightower incest too – Aegon II and Helaena both were half Hightowers. Among Targaryen abnormalities polydactyly and emotionless were never mentioned elsewhere. I think these traits came not from Targ‘s, but from Hightower‘s bloodline. Hightowers are one of oldest and most mysterious families in Westeros. And if rudimentary wings of Targ fetuses hint on kinship between Targs and dragons, then six fingers maybe hint on kinship of Hightowers and some non-humans. For example, CotF had four fingers, maybe some ancient race had six.
  13. I suspect on of the gaolers was rat skinchanger: Rats could be useful if you want explore some dungeons. And dungeons of Dragonstone probably worth exploring.
  14. I noticed some match between Leo Tyrell and Cletus Yronwood. Cletus has lazy eye. Leo Tyrell is has nickname Lazy Leo and one of his eyes is often covered by hair. Here: And: Does this similarity hints at something? Do your have any ideas? Could be possible connection with one eyed Bloodraven or crow eyed Euron?
  15. Not in Myrcella's case. For her it was only random plain dagger. She picked it up accidentally or maybe just because it looked plain. Dagger's mystery solved. Only people think I am crazy because of this Myrcella theory. But it causes least of contradictions. Motive mercy killing, Myrcella good girl, she cares about mercy and minds Robert's and Jaime's judgement on that matter. Opportunity terrible plan, easily caught, but only because she was stranger to Valyrian steel. She had easy access to Robert's weapons. Hiring a catspaw - that's a bit complicated. But Myrcella was royal princess and people obey her. Knights of the KG beat Sansa, because Joffrey told them to, even Arys Oakheart, who was quite nice guy otherwise. And they were annointed knights, noblemen. Myrcella's task, on the other hand, was act of mercy. Assassin didn't plan to harm anyone else. Catelyn's presence in Bran's room was unexpected. And it's all gets more acceptable if we assume that cat's-paw was not picked up from strangers who followed Robert's train but from loyal servants of Myrcella. He might only look wildly after living for some time in stables. I am not joking.