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  1. Greetings all, I come to you with what I believe to be a novel new hypothesis that has the potential to bring some light to the Shadow. Many ideas have been postulated to explain the corruption and apparent toxicity of the Shadow Lands beyond Asshai, many of which are magical in nature and composed of the purest speculation. This idea that this post encompasses became illuminated upon listening once again to the History of Westeros podcast on Asshai, wherein Aziz quotes the World of Ice and Fire’s passage on the River Ash: I’ve read this line in the book many times, and I have listened to this podcast a few times before. This time however, brought light to the subject. Nowhere else in any of the books is a word even vaguely similar to phosphorescence used. Bring light, light bring, Lightbringer: Phosphorus. I propose that the essence of the corruption of the Shadow was brought about by a hyper abundance of phosphorus. First and foremost, we must address the etymology of the word phosphorus. The word was coined in late 17th century with the discovery of the element: from Greek phōsphoros, from phōs ‘light’ + -phoros ‘-bringing.’ Given the erstwhile emphasis placed on the previous importance of something called Lightbringer and the prophesized return and future importance of said something, it can’t be a coincidence that nearly all of the unique corruption observed in the Shadow can be explained by an element whose name literally translates to Lightbringer. Little and less is known for certain of the Shadowlands and her people, but once one has an idea where to look, there are logical conclusions which can be gleaned from those tidbits which are available. The obvious place to start in our attempts to bring light to the Shadow is with that which we have the most experience: her people. While it is common knowledge that shadowbinders wear masks, it is heavily implied that all native Asshai’i cover their faces at all times, as alluded to in this line: Where it is implied that even the common men from Asshai who are little more than traders follow this practice most commonly associated with the shadowbinders. (While Melisandre appears to observers as not wearing a mask, it is commonly accepted that her ‘mask’ is a glamour). Could this peculiar practice of an entire people choosing to hide their face when in public be related to phosphorus? Indeed; not only is it possible, it is probable. Should there be a sufficient quantity of phosphorus present in the Shadow so as to be toxic, it would manifest in the Asshai’i with what was known in Victorian England as “phossy jaw”. This was a disease that manifested in the people who labored in matchstick factories who were exposed to toxic levels of phosphorus through physical contact and breathing fumes. The early stages of this disease were tooth pain, which led to tooth loss, then later to the bones of the face and skull dying, rotting and falling out, to leave exposed bone that glowed greenish white when viewed in the dark. This certainly sounds like the kind of horror we could expect from the Shadow: If one was of the Asshai’i, it would likely be considered polite among peers to not show their face in public, and prudent to not show your deformities to outlanders. Of course these symptoms can still manifest in the world today, but phosphorus poisoning is now well understood and controls are in place to prevent exposure. Asshai really needs to update their MSDSs it would seem. Long term exposure to phosphorus also has demonstrable effects on fertility, which is commensurate with the lack of children to be found in Asshai, and supports the long standing theory that the Asshai’i can’t reproduce. I must admit that my research of the potential deleterious effects of phosphorus on reproduction yielded some contradictory results, particularly in mammals. There was, however, a consistent loss in the potency and quantity of sperm in males, a decreased level of successful fertilization in females and increased mortality among infants. All of the studies I could find tended to be extremely short term, one or two generations, however; imitating the type of effect one could expect to experience from an accidental overdose of fertilizer. It doesn’t strike me as unreasonable to extend these results over the course of 8000 years to lead to a nearly complete inability for animals (to include the human animal) to reproduce naturally in a place utterly saturated with phosphorus. Thus far, phosphorus can explain the unique physiological aberrations of the Asshai’i: a lack of fecundity and an erstwhile inexplicable motivation to cover their faces. In addition to the circumstantial evidence provided by the Asshai’i, we have the direct evidence provided by the impetus for this hypothesis: the River Ash. The river is said to glow a pale green at night. It is well known that solid or liquid white phosphorus tends to glow with this same pale green when exposed to oxygen. In the real world, however, this effect is impermanent. It is plausible to assume that an effect which would prove fleeting in the real world could potentially be made far longer lasting through the assistance of the very real presence of the magic found in the World of Ice and Fire. In addition to the glow emitted by liquid phosphorus itself, we cannot ignore the second and third order effects that would be caused by the presence of so much phosphorus in the water around Asshai. If the Ash were so saturated with phosphorus that it glows, this would result in a state of hypereutrophy beyond anything that a fisheries biologist like me could even begin to imagine. In eutrophic waters one can find the conditions that are needed to support a sufficiently high quantity of dinoflagellates, which are the microorganisms responsible for the glowing tides in many tropical areas of the real world. Here in Florida, an unusually vivid display is often taken as a sign of artificial hypereutrophy thanks to an over abundance of fertilizer seepage, particularly (you guessed it!) phosphorus. Phosphorus can also explain the curious qualities of the River Ash. An over abundance of phosphorus in the water table would also have a tremendously deleterious effect on the plants growing in the Shadow. Phosphorus poisoning on plants has the effect of harming or killing the symbiotic mycorrhizal fungi that inhabit plant roots, easing the uptake of nutrients by the plants, in particular iron and manganese. The inability of the plants to uptake these chemicals leads to chlorosis: a loss of color from a plants leaves that typically results in yellowing, but can be so extreme as to result in cream colored or almost white leaves. It is reasonable to assume that ghost grass is a plant that is somehow able to not only survive, but indeed thrive, in a situation where it is severely afflicted with chlorosis. As an aside, chlorosis can also be caused by a lack of light. Two plus two equals ghost grass? Phosphorus can even explain ghost grass. And now, we must don our tinfoil as we walk through the valley of the Shadow of Stygai. A discussion of Asshai cannot be made without consideration to the strange black stone from which it is constructed: The most common plausible explanation put forth for this unusual is the vitrification of the stone. Vitrification is caused by exposing stone to extreme heat, causing it to somewhat melt, permanently altering and strengthening the stone. It is almost certain that at some point in the past, half of the red comet struck a second moon and the pieces fell to the Earth (thanks to Phosphorus mea…. I mean Lucifer Means Lightbringer for that juicy nugget of goodness). LmL further hypothesized that the moon destroyed was the fire moon, leaving the ice moon in the sky. What better material to have in abundance in the fire moon than white phosphorus? It is plausible to assume that the majority of this celestial effluent would have struck in the shadow lands, causing the phosphorescent waste and ruin we know today; the extreme heat of which could have caused the melted and horrific effects seen in the structure of Asshai. White phosphorus burns at about 5000*F/2760*C. Granite melts at about 2300*F/1250*C. All silicates will melt before granite. There may be stones with higher melting temperatures than granite, but I could not find them. While there’s no direct evidence to support this hypothesis, it is certainly plausible and fits loosely within the apparent celestial astronomy of Ice and Fire. And of course, all of this is before we even begin to try to squeeze magic into this scenario. Magic is likely present and essential to explain the last part of this mystery, the part my hypothesis cannot explain: the Shadow itself. At this point, anything I present would be nothing but a guess, so I shall abstain from doing so. While phosphorus may not be the final explanation for the mysteries of the Shadow, it is likely a component that is present and having a real effect that would be measurable to modern science; an effect that could plausibly and reasonably explain the horrific “fallout” effect that we see in the heart of the old Great Empire of the Dawn.
  2. That's legitimately disappointing.
  3. This popped up out of the blue on YouTube three days ago, and no one seems to know anything about it. I realize that even with the incredible production value of this trailer that it's probably just some fan vid, but the concept is awesome. I'd watch this. What do you guys think?
  4. Hey all! This afternoon I was listening to Radio Westeros, in particular the second episode on the Daynes with Azizal and LmL. Early on these fine gentlemen were discussing Starfall itself and the fact that it was on an island at the mouth of the Torrentine. The idea was put forth that this wouldn't really make sense to be the place where the moon/comet meteor would have landed. These gentlemen went on to postulate that the Dawn meteor was found elsewhere and was brought with them to this strategically placed island. Well, I would respectfully disagree. It is important to note that the ideas presented here are dependant upon some sort of LmL's impact winter theory proving to be true. This sounds like the EXACT kind of place that a meteor would have landed. This sounds like the type of impact structure that our world's iteration of maesters with a bronze link would call a peak ring crater. A falling meteor would land in the shallow seas (or even on the land near the sea if the Citadel's theory of sea level change is correct) and would have created a crater. Now of course there are a lot of different factors that go into the creation and final morphology of a crater, and I don't pretend to be an expert on these factors, but it is entirely plausible that the mountain in which Starfall is built is in fact the central peak of an impact crater. Over the 12 millennia some this supposedly happened, the exterior walls of the crater could have been worn down by the raging waters of the Torrentine or simply inundated by the rising Summer Sea, if the maesters can be believed. While we're at it, one can't help but notice the general similarity in structure expressed by the God's Eye, which also appears to be a peak ring crater. Whether or not the God's Eye is related to the Long Night as Starfall appears to be is dubious at best, but is worth noting. I doubt that the God's Eye, if it is a crater indeed, was related due to the fact that the Pact with the CoTF took place on the Isle of Faces long before the long night. Anyway, that's my humble little observation. I hope the community finds it agreeable.
  5. After the Pact and peace, the CotF tried to end the Others, and SHTF. Think Skynet.
  6. Because sometime after the Pact, they lost control of their weapon. This is why the Last Hero was actually helped by the CotF, it was in their mutual interest to help. It's also worth noting that this may be a very dumbed down version of how things played out compared to what we'll get in the books.
  7. Now I know that Dawn doesn't really look like it's described in the books, but then again in this show, WHAT DOES? Lol. What other bright, whitish, ripply Valyrian steel looking sword could Arthur Dayne possibly be carrying?
  8. You're not popping any balloons! I think you misunderstood me my friend. I wasn't attempting to defend the show having him dual wield, rather just defend the portrayal of a man who holds the office of Sword of the Morning HAVING an arming sword in addition to a dagger and Dawn is canon, as (sorta) depicted in the show. And in the World Book, it states that man is a Sword of the Morning, but it does NOT state that it is Arthur Dayne. My point about the plausibility in our magical world is simply that if we're going to suspend belief on some things, the idea that someone is capable of doing something that's not possible in reality should be considered. I've never really understood how people can quibble over realism on things in a high fantasy book, but that's just me.
  9. Hello, Before the forum upgrade, there was a low-bandwidth skin that was a default for the forum that made browsing easy for those of us on mobile, but who also live out in the country where fast wireless isn't available. Is there a way to change the skins? I'm not familiar with the software that this forum uses and I can't seem to find it. If there isn't currently a low bandwidth mobile skin, are there any plans for one? This really pretty, high resolution layout is wonderful on a PC, I have to give you that, but when I try to access this forum from my phone on my lunch break (for example), it can take 2-3 minutes just for the banner image to load. It is quite frustrating. Thank you, Rob
  10. It means that your post hasn't been approved for public dissemination by the staff yet.
  11. Guys, Dawn was unquestionably present in this episode. I know that quite a few people have said this already, but here is a good screenshot I took showing quite clearly the rippling. Now I know that Dawn doesn't really look like it's described in the books, but then again in this show, WHAT DOES? Lol. What other bright, whitish, ripply Valyrian steel looking sword could Arthur Dayne possibly be carrying? Also, in the entire ASOIAF series, there is only (as far I as I know anyway) only one canon image/detailed description of a Sword of the Morning which appears anywhere. It is very much worth noting that the only known example of a canon Sword of the Morning is wearing a second long sword EXACTLY as the show depicted Ser Arthur to do. This makes a ton of sense thematically as well. In order to become the SotM, one must first become an incredibly skilled warrior. Said incredibly skilled warrior had to EARN Dawn, which means that he didn't get it at 12 to begin training with. It stands to reason that someone who earns the right to be called SotM and carry Dawn would probably have an extremely fine castleforged blade, and many men who have worked long and hard with such a blade would probably be loath to part with it. Like it or not, the show seems to have gotten Arthur more 'right' than many here want to admit. Does this mean that the SotM/Ser Arthur would dual wield them? No, it doesn't. However, it's not outside of the realm of the possible that a peerless warrior COULD successfully do it in a universe where we have eight foot tall dudes crushing people's skulls, ice demons, dragons and blood magic.
  12. OMFG yes. Since the migration, I've damn near stopped coming here because it's sooo slow on mobile.
  13. I was always under the impression that the Common Tongue was a First Men language that blossomed after the Long Night. The Long Night and the raising of the Wall is what cut the wildlings off from the south, geographically and culturally. Another point to consider is that there DOES seem to be some regional differentiation in dialect, though for simplicity's sake, it doesn't make it into text. There's a Tyrion chapter in ADWD where he's talking about making up his story for Hugor, and he says how he has to be some Westerman's bastard, because he sounds like a highborn Westerman. For the most part, Tyrion's speech patterns don't read any differently than any other educated character, so that implies a regional dialect that GRRM simply didn't write in for ease of reading.
  14. Widows Wail is going to end up with Arya, who knows that it is half of Ice, after she outgrows Needle. It is known.
  15. I think that many people aren't seeing Asshai in a big enough picture. Yes, Asshai is in the story to provide an element of mystery and vastness to Planetos. But, in traditional GRRM fashion, he didn't leave his smoking gun unloaded. Asshai by the Shadow, and its less often mentioned, but far more corrupt, sister city Stygai in the Shadow (among many other things in the world) are ruins from an earlier time and an earlier civilization. I don't think that the author would give us two ruined cities at the heart of a fallen legendary empire only to have it have no meaning. We're talking the Great Empire of the Dawn, and the calamity that brought it low. The GEotD existed before the Long Night. Legends from the East hold that it was the actions of the last Emperor who caused the Long Night, or at least did things most nefarious immediately before the Long Night. Lucifer Means Lightbringer has done a fantastic series of essays on this. While Asshai does serve to expand the world and add an element of mystery, it also serves a greater purpose: to provide depth to the prophesies of Azor Ahai and the Prince That Was Promised. The Great Empire of the Dawn was that father of Valyria: an ancient civilization of dragon riders with platinum hair and gemstone eyes. If the legends are true, it would appear as though the GEotD was by all accounts far greater than Valyria ever was. The Doom destroyed Valyria. The end of the GEotD resulted in no less than the complete destruction of all the civilizations of the world, through a magical version of a nuclear winter that was the Long Night. Asshai will provide us answers, and already has. Dany is the Princess who was Promised. She is not going to restore Valyria, she is going to restore the Great Empire. She will correct the Blood Betrayal, she is the Amethyst Empress reborn. Her answers will come from Asshai, even if she never goes there herself. EDIT- Throw in a "the night is dark and full of terrors" and I sound oddly like Mel... Lol