Kytheros

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  1. To be fair, at least in the case of the Brandon Starks, who's more likely to be remembered or mentioned often by posterity? The Brandons that lived quietly/happily and died of old age or went out hunting one winter and didn't come back, or the Brandons who had a particularly tragic end that made for a good story?
  2. My point is that I think Mance only started his digging - and possibly only started trying to unify the Free Folk - after the Walkers started stirring enough that it became noticeable and a concern to the Free Folk. The real question is which happened first - the Walkers stirring or Mance digging. Me, I think the Walkers were stirring first. That Mance is motivated to dig by the activities of the Walkers. I very much doubt that many of the Free Folk - far less the giants - would have approved of digging up ancient graves of giants and men, without the threat of the Walkers. Mance's army could've gotten past/around/over the Wall at pretty much any point, and most of it is entirely undefended. He could have had a quarter of his force and done the same. Therefore, I conclude that if getting south of the Wall was the goal, digging for the Horn of Joramun (which they didn't find in the end) would have been a waste of time. Besides, if Mance digging released entombed/imprisoned Others, the Others probably would have wiped out those who dug them up/out and were right there, not let the despoilers get away, and start picking off people years and miles away, IMO.
  3. Nah. Bran and Sam will probably tell Jon in private shortly after he gets back to Winterfell. When Daenerys (or anyone else) gets told is an open question. But Daenerys probably won't find out at the same time.
  4. Arya's the one who gets compared to Lyanna. Sansa looks like her mother Catelyn did at her age.
  5. Slaves are not, or should not be, a valid argument. The Iron Bank is a Braavosi institution. Braavos is famously anti-slavery - they've gone to war to force other Free Cities to give up slavery.
  6. Tyrion's betrayal is in him trying to save his relatives. To bring an end to things such that they're in a position where Daenerys is willing not to kill them, and is willing to accept them remaining around. It's a subtler and less blatant betrayal than outright turning around and stabbing Daenerys ... hmm. Possibly too subtle for Benioff and Weiss. Cersei's hold over Tyrion is that he loves Jaime, and he loved Cersei's children - his niece and nephews - and that Cersei's pregnant. IIRC, Tyrion said that Cersei's one virtue/thing he liked about her is that she loves/loved her children. But yeah, Jorah ... he's absurdly loyal to Daenerys, and the only possibility for someone else for him to love is Lyanna Mormont, who should hate him. Jon ... even if the Aunt/Nephew reveal goes poorly, that's still not betraying her for love. I don't believe AJT. I believe Tyrion really is Tywin's son.
  7. Do we actually know that Jaime definitely isn't on her list? And just isn't in a section that she hasn't repeated? I mean, it's not like she's ever gone through the entire list in such a way that we know everyone on it.
  8. Mithraic? I'm unfamiliar with the relevant details. I was leaning a bit towards Odin. At any rate, the wound is implied to be minor - "It's only blood, Jon Snow. He missed the eye, just ripped your skin up some." Head wounds, no matter how minor, tend to bleed a lot. Given that the wound is not mentioned after Mance tells Jon to get it seen to, I expect the actual damage was minor. Especially since for the blood to be getting into Jon's eye, it has to be his eyebrow/forehead that got hit, not the cheek. Given a bit of medical attention, maybe a few stitches, a poultice and some sort of bandage/wrapping, it likely wouldn't bother him much while healing or even after. I mean, it's the forehead/eyebrow - sure, it moves some, but not all that much. The only place a facial injury of the flesh would have lasting/persistent and noticeable effects on your daily life would be cheeks, around the mouth, and nose - ie, places that move around, or affect breathing. By comparison, the forehead/eyebrow isn't doesn't have much muscle to get messed up or bothered by injury/scarring. Also, I'm not sure Jon actually has scars. Not every injury results in scars, after all.
  9. Cersei will blame Tyrion in a conspiracy with the Tyrells. The Tyrells will blame Cersei. I am unsure who the Faith will blame. Sure, on the one hand, Pycelle not being able to be present and testify will probably help Margaery's defense. On the other, Kevan is the one standing between Cersei and power.
  10. That's Geodawnian imagery - the Great Empire of the Dawn and the Gemstone Emperors. Way before the Valyrians.
  11. In the books, most of the khalasar has gone, but there's still some of it left - more than enough to take Daenerys to Vaes Dothrak. Indeed, one those who would become her bloodriders were planning to take her to Vaes Dothrak for her to become one of the crones of the Dosh Khaleen after giving Drogo the pyre, and it's likely that the rest of them would have assisted. Indeed, Daenerys didn't even ask them to become her bloodriders until after MMD had given the prophecy in Daenery's last chapter.
  12. Hang on, now. While GRRM's ending (if/when he ever gets there) might not hold up to the promise of the early books, I'm absolutely certain it'll be better than the the show's.
  13. It was "Betrayal for Love", not betrayal by someone who loves her. In the books, anyways. However, I'm not sure they kept that in on the show. But if they did, yeah, Tyrion is by far the likeliest candidate for the betrayal for love (of his family). Most likely either love of his brother, or love of his unborn niece/nephew.
  14. Don't try to bring logic/reason into this. Logic and reason have no place on the show. Nor does internal consistency nor continuity. If, however, we insist on trying to bring logic/reason into things, and keeping internal consistency and continuity, Warden of the North is a purely military position, and has no relevance to one's titles/lands. As far as whether or not Jon has a lordship/lands of his own, it's questionable as to the disposition of Winterfell, but as King of the North, he would (presumably) have taken possession of the Dreadfort, and all lands formerly held by the Boltons. Those probably are still technically in Jon's hands, since it's unlikely he gave them to someone in the interim, even after kneeling to Daenerys, whatever happens with/to Winterfell and the lands held directly by the Starks. And, as jcmontea notes, it is likely to be irrelevant and one of the details we never know.
  15. The writers are idiots. And probably got King <Name> confused with Lord <Name>, and associated practices.
  16. The Warden titles are legacy artifacts of the books - they were originally going to matter more in the books, but GRRM changed his mind about how things worked, but left them in. It's unclear whether or not the show has retained the distinction of between Warden of the North and Lord Paramount of the North. Or, for that matter, the distinction between Warden of <Compass Direction> and Lord Paramount of <Region>, ie, Warden of the East and Lord Paramount of the Vale, or Warden of the West and Lord Paramount of the Westerlands. Don't recall who was Warden of the South, offhand. I'm inclined to think the show has not retained the distinction between Warden of the North and Lord Paramount of the North, and, in fact, has completely forgotten about the other Wardenship titles.
  17. There's a fairly significant difference between "you are infertile/will not bear living children due stillbirths, miscarriages, and infant deformity" and "you're going to join the Dosh Kaleen and never have sex, much less the opportunity for children, again". Remember, MMD would have assumed that Daenerys would be taken to Vaes Dothrak to join the Dosh Kaleen as the widow of a Khal - and therefore been completely and utterly off limits and untouchable. Decidedly hard for Daenerys to have children without having sex first. Jon doesn't actually need to become King in order to perpetuate House Targaryen. He just needs to marry and have children with someone (well, marriage is technically optional).
  18. The Kingsguard was invented by Aegon the Conqueror at Visenya's insistence he needed bodyguards. It is also quite possible that calling certain warriors "knights" was a shift in the tales post-Andal invasion and Andalization of Westeros.
  19. I think Jon Snow's facial scars don't get mentioned much because (a) they're relatively minor, and (b) we're usually sitting in his POV. Jon's not that big on staring into mirrors, so unless the scars are significant and/or impact his day-to-day life/activities, there'd be no reason for him to dwell on them.
  20. Sansa was married to Tyrion shortly after the Blackwater. She was his "reward" in Tywin's eyes. This is some time before the Red Wedding. The Boltons only get fArya after the Red Wedding. After the Purple Wedding, in fact. After Sansa's disappeared.
  21. As far as Elia moving from Dragonstone to King's Landing 6 months or so after Aegon's birth ... it seems as fairly clear that she wasn't given a choice in the matter. It's possible, even probable, that left to their own judgement, she and her maester(s) would have left her at Dragonstone to recover for a longer period of time, even without the war. However, Aerys demanded her and her children come to the Red Keep - there'd've been a limit on how long his demands could be stalled on. Also, and I could be wrong about this, but aren't first births harder on the mother than subsequent births? I mean, IIRC, there are physiological changes to the hip bones/waist, such that someone who knows what they're doing can tell if a woman has given birth or not. But, fAegon is not the son of Rhaegar and Elia. Nor is he some child that Rhaegar and Elia passed off as their own son because the real one was stillborn or miscarried. FAegon may or may not be a Blackfyre. He may or may not be Illyrio's son. He may or may not just be some random kid with the right looks. FAegon is not the real deal.
  22. Jaime's doomed. I mean, basically the only way he doesn't die is if Cersei's off the board and out of play, and Tommen and/or Myrcella win. Any other contender, whether current or potential future, would kill Jaime or send him to the Wall (which is effectively a death sentence when the Others come), whether it's for his part in betraying Aerys, betraying Robert, violating oaths to the Starks, or on general principle for being a Lannister. And that assumes he survives his probably imminent encounter with Lady Stoneheart. To be fair, there's a fair amount of potential foreshadowing for the last option there, especially with the Varamyr prologue. On the other hand, I prefer the idea that Jon goes through something like what Bran did, rather than Beric/Stoneheart or Coldhands. Especially in light of the GRRM statement that Beric (and thus Stoneheart) are "fire wights", without normal biological processes.
  23. The non-Targaryens who ride dragons in the books are either other Valyrian bloodlines (ie, House Velaryon), or are conceivably descended of unacknowledged Targaryen bastards. Or, if the lack the name, have Targaryen/other Valyrian ancestors in their family tree. But that's all historical stuff that's not been mentioned on the show. I doubt that they'd spring that on us in the final season, when Jon's Targaryen blood has already been confirmed. It could very well be that Bran wants Jon to know that Lyanna's his mother. However, that's not really a vital "he needs to know the truth about himself" sort of thing, IMO, especially in the context of Jon leading the fight against the Others. Sam only brought up the marriage because Bran thought Jon was a Sand (which he wouldn't've been anyway, but I digress).
  24. I don't think Samwise=Jaime, Tyrion=Frodo, Cersei=Gollum maps well. By Quasi-Arthurian, I'm referring to King Arthur, and his fate. As Sir Hedge of Hog aptly summarizes: Although, I'm not sure that Jon will fall in battle before leaving. It might be that Jon chooses to leave. In essence, I suggest that instead of dying, Jon becomes some sort of sleeping eternal guardian. Or perhaps that's what people say/think is what happened to him if he disappears without a body.
  25. It's not definite that Jon's actually dead in the first place. Severely wounded and near death, sure. But I'm more inclined to think he'll have an extremely near death experience, an extended convalescence, including probably a comatose state for a while, where it's unclear whether or not he'll pull through/fully recover, and ultimately heal and come back more magically aware/awakened, ala Bran, as opposed to actually dying and being resurrected/reanimated. -- Tyrion cannot die soon enough for me.