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  1. Is it necessary to distinct THK, TSS, TMK and TSotD, TRP, TPatQ? We don't make distinctions in the chapters in the main novels and the world book. So maybe AKotSK and F&B are suffice. This would also save much are more labors.
  2. Shall inconsistencies in the arts in TWOIAF included in the errata as well? I know they are out-of-universe, but still, some might be misleading... This post summarized most of them.
  3. Syrio was alive in 298 AC. Willem got sick when Dany was 5, and died not long after that. There are about 9 years gap between their deaths.
  4. Trees grow in the Sealord's Palace, as seen in the Lands of Ice and Fire. We know Dany's wedding pact was signed by Oberyn Martell in the witness of the Sealord. So she might lived somewhere in the Sealord's Palace. The lemon tree might be a gift from Drone in honor of the pact. As for the Tyrosh accent of Dany, maybe GRRM just forgot to change it from his draft of AGOT, or maybe Dany spent more years in Tyrosh. She left Braavos at 5 or 6, as suggested in the App. 3 years in Tyrosh should give her enough accent. Another thing worth of note. Syrio had been the first sword for 9 years and came to Westeros in 298 AC. 9 years ago was 289 AC, just the time when Willem Darry got sick and died afterward. So the death of the first sword before Syrio might be related with Willem's death and Dany's driven out of the house with the red door. Why did GRRM change Dany's infancy from Tyrosh to Braavos? So far as I can guess, maybe Ayra or Syrio will reveal her past in Braavos.
  5. Absolutely awesome! To add a few tinybits: The Merryweather -> Harys Swyft thing. It is plain that the trivial remark and nod was from Harys Swyft. ASOS, "Ser Ryman Frey refers to his grandfather, Lord Walder Frey, as his father" might not be a mistake. Many Frey called Lord Walder "father", as discussed here. Moreover, Ryman might hinted "my father Stevron awaits you in grave." Just as "mayhaps" and "your uncle’s bloody wedding", another foreshadow for the Red Wedding... TWOIAF, The Targaryen Kings, "princesses Rhaena and Baela" was fixed in later versions.
  6. I have gone over all the differences between the kindle versions I mentioned. All nontrivial mistakes I found are listed in my reddit post. Most punctuation differences are something like , <-> . and a missing quotation mark at the end of a conversation. Now that I remember, there are two or three cases of ! <->? , which might be somewhat nontrivial. For instance: But in fact, v3.1_r17 contain 500 or so more typos than v3.1_r2, really weird. I almost suspect the texts in v3.1_r17 was from OCR. In one case they mistake something like Dorne for Dome... The mistakes fixed in v3.1_r17 are "The lion's dead" , Jeyne Westerling's hips, and a third one I missed in the reddit post. And some trivia: GRRM misspelled Valar Morghulis for Valor Morghulis in one book, just as in this chat in 2002. GRRM misspelled colossal for collossal twice.
  7. A World of Ice and Fire app said Jon Arryn "fought for King Jaehaerys II in the War of the Ninepenny Kings, and, as a result of the alliances made in that war, came to foster Eddard Stark and Robert Baratheon." under Jon Arryn, which neatly solves the puzzle of the fosterage of Ned & Robert. Maybe we can merge it into the wiki pages for Jon Arryn, Steffon, Rickard and the War. Rickard might fought in the War as well. I made an easier-to-read post with a few additional info. Expecting your awesome errata! There're hundreds of fixed typos in the books (misspell of names excluded). Most of them are punctuation and something like "halfhelm <-> half-helm <-> half helm", really boring. I can send you the original diff files if you still want them... The weird thing is, when I compare the Bantam kindle version of traditional cover to HBO cover, their typos intersect! That's to say, two different editor groups worked independently to fix the errors in the books, so errors fixed in one version remain unfixed in the other, and vice versa...
  8. Most wards are fostered inside their own kingdom: Jaime, Quenty, Brandon, Doran, Harrold Hardyng, Tristifer Botley... Any exceptions must have good reasons: Theon & Myrcella as hostages, Big & little Walder as tokens of alliance, Merrett/Sandor/Cynthea/Red Walder Frey as too many Freys for the River lords to foster them all. And for Petyr...Well, an SSM on that: So what about Ned & Robert? Their fosterage are rather strange. Would you give the heir to House Baratheon to someone you hardly know, simply because of your ambition or maester's scheme(as suggested by Lady Dustin)? The puzzle is solved in A World of Ice and Fire App, which states under Jon Arryn: As for the timeline, the War ended in 260 AC, Robert was born in 262 AC, and Ned in 263 AC. Plus, the Vale lies between the North and Stormland. So wards at the Eyrie are easier to return home from time to time as stated in this SSM. Everything just fits! So when GRRM said "that was a time when a lot of people from all over the realm forged friendships", not only did he mean Tywin, Aerys and Steffon, but also Jon Arryn, Steffon and Rickard.
  9. I have collected quite a few. Listed fixed errors in AKotSK & TWoIaF are complete, as they are found with auto comparison of texts. Typos are excluded. Fixed errors: 1. TSS. Cobble Cover -> Cobble Cove, as explained above. A major change, showing the Osgrey fields once expanded to the western shore. 2. TSS. The child's rhyme echoed in his head. Oak and iron, guard me well, or else I'm dead, and doomed to hell. -> The old shield rhyme echoed in his head. Oak and iron, guard me well, or else I'm dead, and doomed to hell. To match THK. 3. TSS. Dunk grabbed her braid and pulled her face to his. It was awkward with the crutch and the difference in their heights. He almost fell before he got his lips on hers. He kissed her hard. One of her hands went round his neck, and one around his back. -> Dunk grabbed her braid and pulled her face to his. It was awkward with the crutch and the difference in their heights. He almost fell before he got his lips on hers. He kissed her hard. One of her hands went round his neck, and one around his chest. I guess too uncomfortable for her with both hand behind Dunk? 4. TMK. Her bride's cloak trailed behind her, done in candy green and white and yellow. -> Her bride's cloak trailed behind her, done in undy green and white and yellow. That's the Butterwell sigil. 5. I.Appendix. Viserys II, fourth son of Aegon III -> Viserys II, younger brother of Aegon III. Where Ran gained his status. 6. IV.6 Arya I. A harbor was visible off to her right, a tangle of piers and quays crowded with bigbellied whalers out of Ibben, swan ships from the Summer Isles, and more galleys than a girl could count. Another harbor, more distant, was off to her left, beyond a sinking point of land where the tops of half-drowned buildings thrust themselves above the water. -> A harbor was visible off to her right, beyond a sinking point of land where the tops of half-drowned buildings thrust themselves above the water: a tangle of piers and quays crowded with big-bellied whalers out of Ibben, swan ships from the Summer Isles, and more galleys than a girl could count. Another harbor, more distant, was off to her left. GRRM didn't fix Braavos map in 2005. So Drowned Town sat next to Purple Harbor. But since the publish of TLoIaF in 2012, Drowned Town is next to Ragman's Harbor. 7. IV.21 Queenmaker. “…The lion is not so easily provoked.”“The lion's dead. Who knows which cub the lioness prefers?”“The one in her own den.” ->completely removed. She learnt Tywin's death only later. 8. IV.44 Jaime VII. She had narrow hips, breasts the size of apples, a mop of chestnut curls, and the soft brown eyes of a doe. -> She had breasts the size of apples, a mop of chestnut curls, and the soft brown eyes of a doe. Most controversial mistake. Confirmed errors: 1. I.5 Jon I, Tyrion’s tumbling. Confirmed here and here. 2. I.15 Sansa I, Renly's green eyes. 3. Sex of Bran's horse Dancer. 4. "Shit, I made the wall too high." Probable errors(memory errors excluded): 1. I.15 Sansa I, And so they left her direwolf and his bodyguard behind them, while they ranged east along the north bank of the Trident with no company save Lion's Tooth. They should go west to meet Arya, as discussed here. 2. I.Appendix. —SER JAIME, called the Kingslayer, heir to Casterly Rock, a twin to Cersei, 3. II.32 Sansa III. When she emerged, Sansa walked on the Hound's left, away from the burned side of his face. The Hound was burnt on the left side. 4. III.24 Bran II. When they lost their way, as happened once or twice, they need only wait for a clear cold night when the clouds did not intrude, and look up in the sky for the Ice Dragon. The blue star in the dragon's eye pointed the way north, as Osha told him once. Osha said "the blue star in the rider's eye" in II.35 Bran V. Yet I guess they wouldn't get lost so long as there's a second blue star in the Ice Dragon, and the two blue stars are close to each other. 5. III.44 Jaime V. The black goat of Qohor, he knew. Jaime cupped his hands to shout. Phantom hand. 6. III.49 Cat VI. Brothers, half-brothers, good brothers, and nephews. Raymund and I shared a mother. Raymund and Lame Lothar didn't share a mother, though they could have shared a milk mother. 7. IV.4 Brienne I. The hedge knights and the septon washed down the meat with ale, but Brienne drank a cup of goat's milk. Should be the merchant. 8. IV.32 Cersai VII. “Stannis may have had a hand in this. Balon Greyjoy offered my lord father an alliance. Perhaps his son has offered one to Stannis.” Should be brother. Errors in TWoIaF: This thread.
  10. Since there're no official errata, I come with this by diff the Bantam kindle ebook v3.1(which I guess equal to the 2nd or 3rd print), v3.1r3, and v3.1r4(which is the latest version). Updates in v3.1r4 only contain 3 typos. Here are what I find(typos, revision of family trees are omitted.): 1. Aegon III, P84 A surpassingly beautiful child, Daenaera was but six when the princesses Rhaena and Baela presented her to the king—the last of a thousand maids who had been presented him at the great ball of 133 AC. A surpassingly beautiful child, Daenaera was but six when the ladies Rhaena and Baela presented her to the king—the last of a thousand maids who had been presented him at the great ball of 133 AC. 2. Aegon IV, P98 BELLEGERE OTHERYS (THE BLACK PEARL OF BRAAVOS) Smuggler, trader, sometime pirate, captain of the Widow Wind, born of a union between a Braavosi merchant's daughter and an envoy from the Summer Isles BELLEGERE OTHERYS (THE BLACK PEARL OF BRAAVOS) Smuggler, trader, sometime pirate, captain of the Widow Wind, born of a union between the son of a Sealord of Braavos and a princess of the Summer Isles (to match Mercy in TWoW) 3. Robert's Rebellion, P128 And after a partial victory at Ashford, which led to Robert's withdrawal, the Stormlands were left open to Lord Tyrell. Bringing the might of the Reach to bear, the reachlords swept away all resistance and settled in to besiege Storm's End. The partial victory at Ashford, which led to Robert's march to the riverlands, had left the Stormlands open to Lord Tyrell. Bringing the might of the Reach to bear, the reachlords swept away all resistance and settled in to besiege Storm's End. (to flatter the king, I guess) 4. The Riverlands, P156 HOUSE MUDD, of Oldstones (last dynasty of the First Men to rule the riverlands) HOUSE MUDD, of Oldstones (last dynasty to worship the old gods in the riverlands) ( Benedict I Justman, being half-Blackwood and half-Bracken, was a First Men.) 5. The Westerlands, P196 Other noble houses were also born in such unions—such as Jast, Lefford, Parren, Droxe, Marbrand, Braxe, Serrett, Sarsfield, and Kyndall. Other noble houses were also born in such unions—such as Jast, Lefford, Drox, Marbrand, Brax, Serrett, Sarsfield, and Kyndall. (The Parrens are also listed in The Reach section.) 6. The Westerlands, P201 And by 254 AC...Late that year, Lord Tytos agreed to wed his seven-year-old daughter, Genna, to a younger son of Walder Frey, Lord of the Crossing. And by 252 AC...Late that year, Lord Tytos agreed to wed his seven-year-old daughter, Genna, to a younger son of Walder Frey, Lord of the Crossing. (to match the books) 7. The Westerlands, P202 Instead that redoubtable woman sent forth her own knights and captured three Lannisters. Two of the captives were Lannisters of Lannisport, distant kin to the Lannisters of Casterly Rock, but the third was a young squire, Stafford Lannister, the eldest son and heir of Lord Tytos's late brother, Ser Jason. Instead that redoubtable woman sent forth her own knights and captured three Lannisters. Two of the captives were Lannisters of Lannisport, distant kin to the Lannisters of Casterly Rock, but the third was a young squire, Stafford Lannister, the eldest son of the late Ser Jason Lannister by his second wife. (Damon, son of Jason& Alys Stackspear became the eldest son and heir instead.) 8. The Stormlands, P228 Then he boldly led the last of the royalist host against the approaching riverlanders, who were commanded by the young Lord Kermit Tully, the even-younger Benjicot Blackwood, and Blackwood's sister Alysanne. Then he boldly led the last of the royalist host against the approaching riverlanders, who were commanded by the young Lord Kermit Tully, the even-younger Benjicot Blackwood, and Blackwood's aunt Alysanne. (adopted from the MUSH, I guess) Other odds&ends Ran confirmed but never get into the book: 9. Maegor I, P59 Alys became queen after Maegor brought her back from Pentos. She was the first woman to become pregnant by the king in the year 48 AC, but she lost the babe soon after. Alys became queen after Maegor brought her back from Pentos. She was the first woman to become pregnant by the king in the year 44 AC, but she lost the babe soon after. (Jeyne Westerling was the first to get pregnant in 47 AC. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/119534-twoiaf-spoilers-inconsistency-or-intentional/&page=10#comment-6413683) 10. The North, P141 Though in these days it is said that Lord Ellard Stark was glad to aid the Night's Watch with the Gift, and took little convincing, the truth is otherwise. Though in these days it is said that the Starks was glad to aid the Night's Watch with the Gift, and took little convincing, the truth is otherwise. (http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/119534-twoiaf-spoilers-inconsistency-or-intentional/&page=26) 11. The Westerlands, P197 Loreon IV was better known as Loreon the Lackwit…A later monarch, Tyrion II, was known as the Tormentor. Loreon IV was better known as Loreon the Lackwit…A later monarch, Tyrion IV, was known as the Tormentor./ Loreon IV was better known as Loreon the Lackwit…A monarch, Tyrion IV, was known as the Tormentor. (Tyrion III was before Loreon II, so Tyrion II must be before Loreon IV.https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/5j6rin/) 12. The Reach, P216 Some believe His High Holiness was removed by his own brother, Ser Morgan Hightower, commander of the Warrior's Sons in Oldtown (Morgan Hightower was brother of Lord Martyn Hightower. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/119534-twoiaf-spoilers-inconsistency-or-intentional/&page=12#comment-6420347) 13. The bloody ironborn business. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/120966-errors-in-the-woiaf/&page=2
  11. House Parren is listed in "Houses in the Westerlands" in Citadel Heraldry, and the world book described them as "Lannister kings wed their children to Andals as well...Other noble houses were also born in such unions—such as Jast, Lefford, Parren, Droxe, Marbrand, Braxe, Serrett, Sarsfield, and Kyndall. " in Page 196. However, the world book also listed them in The Reach section: "Many noble houses of the Reach trace their ancestry back to Andal adventurers given lands and wives by Garth IX, Merle I, and Gwayne V, amongst them the Ormes, Parrens, Gracefords, Cuys, Roxtons, Ufferings, Leygoods, and Varners. " The inconsistency is solved with the new editions of the world book. Since v3.1r3 of Bantam kindle version, the lines in The Westerlands changed to "Other noble houses were also born in such unions—such as Jast, Lefford, Drox, Marbrand, Brax, Serrett, Sarsfield, and Kyndall." I guess the wiki page http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Parren requires modification now.
  12. I guess "Cobble Cover" in the wiki should change to "Cobble Cove" with a redirection. When first appeared in 2003 in TSS, it was "Cobble Cover", but in AKotSK in 2015, it changed to "Cobble Cove", which I think it's more reasonable. You can check the changes on google books: https://www.google.com/search?q="There+was+a+time+when+House+Osgrey+held+all+the+lands+for+many+leagues+around"
  13. I guess Harmen Dondarrion on the wiki should now be Harmon Dondarrion?
  14. Just found a SSM: http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1353