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I don't know if the gap would have worked with someone like kevan as hand because he would have stabilized westeros and then cersei would have to fuck it all again. It is better if she is queen during the gap and when the story starts she has comitted some small fuck ups but her reign is filled with hidden problems like the faith militant.

By points. Viserys believes he only needs 10k men because he thinks other lords will pledge themselves to him when he arrives in westeros with a decent force. There doesn't need to be more hidden reasons for his thoughts... As can be seen in the several passages you quoted drogo clearly promised to help viserys conquer the IT. at most we don't know how much help drogo promised to give because a few thousand dothriaki could satisfy viserys and varys/ilyrio ambitions. In regards to the eggs it is clearly a plothole. iliryo could have used them to pay for mercenaries that would suport viserys at any time he wanted. There is no need to make the complex plan of marrying danny to the dothriaki... It is simillar as to why jon got longclaw instead of darksister that was last seen near the wall... Or the justifications for joffrey trying to kill bran... I am sorry, but either because a lot of lore didn't exist at the time (darksister) or because grrm changed the story over the years there are things that now don't make sense. Drogo agreed to suport viserys because he married danny. This is clearly stated... So despite their fear of the ocean in exchange for danny they would travel to westeros. In regards to viserys staying behind it makes complete sense. iliryo wanted to keep him safe until drogo did his savage rituals and returned with an army ready to support viserys claim. And viserys could have ordered jorah to be his representative among the dothriaki ensuring they keep their word... It realy isn't that interesting or important... In regards to the conversation between varys and ilyrio it sounds more like a conversation between allies than between master and servant. I don't think ilyrio even gives a single order. He simply asks varys to do things or gives his opinion... The probem with your jon con theory is that ilyrio is clearly saying for varys to kill the hand and we know jon con isn't dead. And certainly nobody expects ned to fake his death and abandon his familly and the north to follow their plan against his best friend... At most you can search if there was a hand in aerys time that died of misterious circunstances. THAT could work. Finally, wether viserys was dead or alive was kind of irelevant. They needed the dothriaki to invade westeros. It doesn't matter if they do it because of viserys, danny, rhaego or out of revenge.

This probably will never happen, but it would pretty cool. It reminds me about the theories that mance rider was the one that payed the catspaw to kill bran. And then grrm crushes us with some stupid joffrey did it for reasons that barely make sense...

I think you are generalizing too much. For example, I don't know how much robb or sansa are liked in the north. One is the king that lost the north and the other is lady lannister.

Robb and the northmen knew that stannis is the rightfull king if they want to pass over the lannisters. And the argument that they kneeled to the dragons and that stannis isn't a targ is at most only half the reason why they rebelled. I think nobody believes that at the time any northmen would kneel to viserys or danny after what their father and borther did... And as I said, they don't want stannis or any of the other candidates because they aren't form the north as greatjon explain in the majority of his speech. edt: Also the argument that they owed their fealty only to the dragons is false. The north was sworn to robert. They acepted the barateons as kings.

I actually think the OP raised an interesting question. what do the people in the story think about the starks? because while the readers know the truth the people in westeros don't have acess to the same information as us. For example, I remember that there were all manner of rumors about how sansa escaped KL. Like she transformed into a winged wolf or something like that. If the smallfolk believe in those stories it is an interisting topic to discuss what the people in the diferent regions of westeros think of the starks...

Technically stannis is the rightfull king. Danny's familly lost the throne. She has a claim if she can conquer it, but stannis is the rightful heir to the throne. And Robb rebelled against stannis for no other reason than the northmen not wanting to be ruled by southerns.

the ending was the best part. The final battle lacked wow moments or even anything memorable. the rest had good and bad parts but it is yhe kind of movie that if you think about it had LOTS of things that didn t make sense

decent people? ok. Competent leaders? NO. It is impossibe to lead a large group of people if you are constantly being betrayed for different reasons.

are you saying that releasing jaime against robb's wishes and knowing how important he is for the northern troops isn't a betrayal? that trying to kill child hostages that robb ordered would be safe isn't a betrayal? For one reason or another robb let things happened that made several characters act against him. Even if they didn't want to. And i think your list is wrong. Robb did a LOT of mistakes that led to several betrayals. However, not giving edmure a detailed account of his plans or shagging jeyne aren't mistakes. First, they are in a war. If robb gives a order then his lords have to obey. There is a chain of command that people in a war have to follow because only the comanders know the full plans. And edmure wasn't in robb's inner circle. Him going against robb's orders is only his fault. Second, shagging the girl isn't the problem. The problem is that robb cared more about his honnor/feelings than the welbeing of his people and the sucess of the war. we just have to look at ned that despite of the rumors that he was in love with ashara (and may have shagged her) married cat for the sucess of the war and to help his people. That is what a leader MUST do in dificult times.

truth be told, some of robb's problems are because some of his followers kill or want to kill inocents/children. robb's biggest sin is that he doesn't understand people. His mother, the karstarks, the freys, theon, balon, edmure, roose... He must be doing something wrong if he is betrayed by a LOT of characters. And all of them for diferent reasons!

The problem is that grrm drove himself into a hole with the north. That place needs time to heal, to build defenses and weapons against the others, deal with food problems, build glass gardens, unite itself... If the others attack anytime soon the north will fall pretty fast. On the other hand, grrm can easily create a plot where the others need to find the horn of joramund in order to pass through the wall or something else and therefore their atack could still be far away. And yes, certain characters need time to train and adquire new skills. But the really big problem here is that the north is just really behind where it needs to be because there was no time jump. Even a time jump of 1 or 2 year would solve a lot of problems.

probably he should have released a novella about what happened north of the neck during the time jump and then released the book he wanted. Because the big problem here is the north and that 5 years is just too much.

I think that in Agot grrm wanted us to think that danny was AA and in Adwd he wants us to think that after all it might be jon because he drops a lot of hints in that book.

Not me. I don't remember enough of her chapters in dance to open a topic about it. You do it and have fun.

I am not talking about anyone in specific, but open a topic criticizing danny rullings in mereen and you will see what happens. And besides what you said, you realize how insane it was to order the unsulied to take care of the sick people? She could(and may) lose her armies because some of her soldiers get sick and spread the illness. And I don't like the bias she has against slavers in the decisions she has while holding court. It feels like she wants peace but at the same time keeps punhishing the slavers for their past actions. She has to either acept that as her subjects they have equal rights to the former slaves or she has to get rid of the slavers. The mid term serves no one.

In regards to this talk. I find much more interesting how most people don't see anything wrong with how danny ruled mereen. I have had several discussions here over the years about that and people just never change their minds about anything.

But will learn pretty fast when red priests and their followers start arriving to where she is.

The part about several fronts I totally agree and that AA might only be the one that defeated the others in an area where people believed in r'hllor. But think on this. Why would a red priest need a sword that emanates heat? And if the WW can be killed by steel (dragonsteel) why would anyone want to incorporate fire into a sword? And keep in mind that a fire sword would be of very limited use to couter the cold genereted by the others. To me it only makes sense to put fire into a sword if AA is looking to create a weapon that can resist the cold from the WW weapons because all his weapons shatter when they touch.

But the eyes aren't 100% water so they couldn't just steam. There would always be a melting effect present. And at least to me melting eyes make more sense than steaming eyes. Anyway, the language makes sense to me. Maybe I am weird. I have some doubts about what moqorro thinks, but we have had several examples of characters being completly wrong. Or changing their mind afterwards. And I meant that maybe there will appear more dragons. That the dragon must have 3 heads may not mean much. Of course there is. In asoiaf you just have to send letters anouncing you have free food. And danny thinking she is AA and then finding out she isn t would be completly in tone with her arc. Don't forget she thinks she is the last targ but everyone knows that isn't true. She probably isn't even the heir to the IT and when she gets to westeros the people will already be suporting a diferent targ (faegon).

I think you are wrong about the sacred flames and there is proof of that. Notice this It seems that it is usual to refer to some special flames the red priests use as sacred flames. At the moment there is no reason to link these sacred flames to dragons. I think that this expression is also very interesting "Yet when he plunged it into water to temper the steel it burst asunder". It seems like he wanted to incorporate some fire magic into a sword and the steel just couldn't handle it. So I don t think that LB needs to be valyrian steel. I can't think of a reason for VS to burst. If you want some cracpot theory based on logic what makes sense to me is: AA was some red priest or r'hllor follower that was leading the fight in that area against the others. However he didn't have valyrian steel and therefore his weapons shatered when facing the others. Therefore he decided to create a special magic sword that contained fire in order to protect it from shatering when it was in contact with the other's ice swords. And as followers of r'hllor he and his nissa believed in sacrifice in order to acomplish their goals. So nissa nissa was in exctasy to be sacrificed for r'hlor and he was also happy to do it. For some reason (either nissa nissa was special or r'hllor interfered) AA was capable to create a sword that contained fire without bursting. So I kind of agree that any valyrian sword should be able to copy LB but I doubt those swords would need some sacrifice to temper them. Just some red priest that knows how to put fire inside the sword.

He forges the sword in a temple? And nissa nissa was bathed in holly fire? I don t remember that. But I like the idea that nissa nissa was special and it was because of it that she could temper LB instead of her relationship with AA. But to there are somethings really strange going on with LB. First, it is a weird jump from tempering a sword with water to using hearts of living creatures. Then it is clear than more than tempering he wanted to incorporate a soul into the sword. Which sounds awful and evil as fuck. And the problem with your valyrian sword theory is that those swords are already tempered and they don't break. I don't even know if the objective of LB is to be unbreakable like balyrian steel or to generate heat and light. It is also dubious if during the long night people knew how to forge steel.

The point is that just because up until now danny has done several things that resemble the profecy doesn't mean there is a definite proof she is AA. It is easy to proof that there are several ways that what she has done isn't exactly what the profecy says. Hell, stannis converted to r'hllor in dragonstone probably under the red comet so he was reborn amidst salt and smoke under a bleeding star. He is responsable for curing shireen of greyscale and she has dragon blood, so in a way he woke a stone dragon. He took a sword from a fire and called it LB. If you take liberties stannis also is AA.

In order to show that stannis LB is a fake because it doesn't emit heat as the true one must. What he reads is pretty usefull for jon to know that stannis and mel are lying.

They eyes of anyone burned would melt. I think it is just grrm way of describing death by fire than anything else. Here you assuming that the targ prophecy is the same thing and the AA profecy. And we not know if the dragon must have 3 heads at the beguing but 2 or 20 at the midle. The story is full of red herrings. It would be weird if there weren't some included in the AA profecy. And I am not completly against grrm creating several scenarios where multiple characters can be AA. Leave it open to interpretation. meh, you are you still waiting for when ned wrote "until his rightful heir" instead of son in robert's will to mean something? Or for rhaego to be the stallion that mounts the world?