Lady bonehead

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  1. I believe GRRM's original plot had Jon and Arya falling in love, and later discovering that their love was not forbidden after all because they were cousins rather than siblings. This is a very old and hackneyed plot device, which may be one reason he ultimately rejected it. Another is that incest has become even more taboo recently because we associate it strongly with child abuse. However, incest within royal families is a historical fact and therefore respectable in the context of a pseudo-historical novel.
  2. All right, but save the world from what? Did Rhaegar have any idea of the nature of the menace? And what made him think that the prophecies were scheduled to come true just now?
  3. OK, We know that Rhaegar was obsessed with prophecy, that he believed that either he or his son was the Prince that was Promised, but do we have any evidence that he was aware of an existential threat to the realm ( the White Walkers)? People tend to assume that Rhaegar wanted to save the world, but maybe his ultimate objective was just restoring the Targaryen dynasty to its former glory--same thing all the Targaryens have been trying to do since the dragons died out.
  4. I'm glad someone mentioned Tyrion's sending Myrcella to Dorne, because we are made to feel at the time (especially in the show version) that this is a clever move, but really it's not. Tyrion is mainly motivated by spite against Cersei, who has every right to be consulted about the marriage of her only daughter, and doesn't really consider the long-term consequences. After all the Dornish are not that important militarily, and it's well known that they hate the Lannisters, which means that they are likely to believe the incest story even if they don't act on it. Which means that instead of making a useful alliance, he's just provided his enemies with anuseful hostage.
  5. Probably mentioned before, but considering what we know about wights could this be a literally prophetic dream? (ASoS Jaime II) "In his dreams, the dead came burning, gowned in swirling green flames. Jaime danced around them with a golden sword, but for every one he struck down two more arose to take his place."
  6. Either Jon or Dany, or both, is almost certainly infertile, so a normal marriage with kids ain't gonna happen. In fact after dying and being resurrected I wouldn't be surprised if Jon isn't just infertile but actually impotent. I always had him pegged as a sacrificial hero who dies for the greater good or perhaps becomes a perpetual Undead hero. But perhaps it is Dany who will end up being the sacrificial hero.
  7. Rhaegar, Varys, Howland Reed, Hoster Blackwood and Ser Pounce.
  8. The characters in the story judge themselves and each other according to moral standards that we recognize, otherwise it wouldn't really work (would you really want tonread a story about a bumch of Dothraki?). Rape is illegal in Westeros and can be harshly punished. Yeah, nobles can get away with raping peasant girls, but (news flash) rich guys nowadays get away with things that poor guys get long prison sentences for. Marital rape is legal (as in most societies), but violates the rules of courtly love which hold that noblewomen should be respected. Robert assaults Cersei when he is drunk but then apologizes afterwards, meaning he has some awareness of having done something wrong. I guess the annoying thing about Tyrion is that he is a rich kid who portrays himself as a victim.
  9. Considering all the horrendous crimes committed in the series, I'm not going to blame anyone for making sexist comments or having rape fantasies. Even sex with a reluctant prostitute is just an extension of what Tyrion's been doing for years, he knows women are repulsed by him but he still has needs so he is used to ignoring the woman's feelings. Honestly, Tywin could have tried a bit harder to find him a wife, if I was the homely daughter of some impoverished knight for example I would cheerfully put up with Tyrion in exchange for a life of luxury! Anyway, I think Penny gets seriously inside Tyrion's head because she seems to be genuinely attracted to him. This is all getting away from the theme of Tyrion-hating however. Honestly the problem isn't Tyrion himself, who is a fascinating and complex character, but all the fans who are so attached to him that they think everything he does is justifiable.
  10. We are absolutely set up at the beginning of the story to like Tyrion. He has a disability, he's smart and funny, he likes to read (just like us!), he's a "bad" Lannister but he sympathizes with the "good" Starks, and gosh darn it nobody appreciates him! But gradually we come to realize the extent that he is motivated by resentment and jealousy. In some sense he is worse than Tywin, who never loses sight of the ultimate goal of securing the stability of the realm. My breaking point was the Symon Silver Tongue incident, which was so gratuitous I didn't believe it at first. Another point about the Tysha incident is the fact that Tyrion tells this story (more than once I think). Who tells a story like that, even in a bowdlerized version?
  11. However, the "loyal bastard" is also a trope as represented for example by Bloodraven in tWoIaF. That is, those who are rejected and despised by society (such as Tyrion) may feel justified in trying to break down the existing order but in fact the alternative is not a new and better order but chaos (as represented by Littlefinger). Varys can also be taken as an example of the loyal bastard trope.
  12. Jaime is actually one of the most empathetic characters you are likely to encounter. His decision to rescue Brienne had complex roots (none of them involving Bloodraven), but his previous decision to save her from gang rape was based purely on empathy: he imagined how she would feel and what the effect would be on her. This despite the fact that he had previously been willing to kill her in order to escape. As for Cersei, when she advises Sansa not to love anyone but her children, this could be taken as a frank statement of Cersei's policy on the subject.
  13. I see Jaime and Rhaegar as contrasting rather than parallel characters. Rhaegar appears to have believed thoroughly in the voices in his own head. Jaime is riddled with self-doubt and only tends to act in a crisis: otherwise he tends to follow others when he might be better off trusting his own judgment. There is actually a weird parallel between Jaime and Arya. She also doesn't like the person she is becoming but feels an overwhelming compulsion to act in a crisis.
  14. OP here: it's OK to comment on posts but don't make this a Dany thread please. That said, my unsullied daughter thinks Dany is batshit crazy. Parallel characters: Dany and Jon. Jon thinks he has to save ALL the wildlings in the same way that Dany thinks she has to save ALL the slaves of Slavers Bay.
  15. My scattered brain is constantly coming up with parallels between often quite disparate characters in ASoIaF, and then promptly forgetting them before I can develop them further. This is therefore an attempt to set up a thread for posting such ideas. My latest one had to do with Brienne and Penny: not the characters themselves necessarily but there respective relationships with Jaime and Tyrion. In both cases we have uncharacteristically chivalrous behavior on the male side without physical attraction, while the sexual interest seems to be coming more from the female side. This is one reason I like Penny and hope she continues to have a positive influence on Tyrion.