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  1. Why do Robb, Sansa, Brandon, and Rickon...

    Which is weird, since he pays special attention to his hair (notices the lenght), and it should really tip him off, since it's completely different color. Well, from genetical point of view, Cersei found the best partner to commit that fraud with, since all of the Lannister traits in her children could've been just taken from her. Also, Ned doesn't really highlight's the 'lack of Baratheon traits', he mostly goes with hair colors and statistics. Which is a bit funny, considering he's the father of five, four of them have more Tully look (Arya is explicitely said to stand out, not only with the colors). Had Arya not been the middle child, Cat would also, like Cersei, have the record of bearing three children resembling her family in a row. So, to me, Ned and Jon Arryn (if he hadn't witnessed Jaime and Cersei's affair) are an example of 'right for the wrong reasons'. Westeros doesn't have genetical tests, there was no real proof until Cersei admitted to it - it was just a plausible accusation, since many people knew the queen hated the king, and it could be politically beneficial if you wanted to weaken the Lannisters (remember, Renly didn't even really believe it, but went with the rumor anyway for his own merit).
  2. Tyrion's killing of Tywin was an over reaction?

    Is Tyrion's killing of Tywin for having his wife raped by 50 soldiers, bullying him all of his life and finally probably making him the scapegoat for Joffrey's murder overreaction? Hm. Let me think. No.
  3. Tyrion + Sansa potentially Reunite

    Sansa recognizes Tyrion's kindness and definitely sees him as 'not as bad as the other Lannisters' (she prefers marrying him over Joffrey or even Lancel), but still predominantly sees him as a Lannister - rightfully so since he avtively wordek for the Lannister side and actually in the books agreed to marry her for Winterfell. She recognizes his vulnerability and senses he wants something from her emotionally, but it mainly makes her uncomfortable ('he is like a child who looks at me for food, but I have nothing to give to him'). Finally she not only finds him physically repulsive, but takes it as a cruel joke at her expense, as a bitchslap on her dreams (she holds a similar attitude with Sweetrobin, when she remarks that 'Joffrey at least was physically healthy'). So while she doesn't necessarily hate him, and Tyrion might be absolved of the sin of being a Lannister by turning against them, she a. views him in disgust, b. already saw his good qualities and was unmoved by them. Btw, the only Lannister the Book Sansa speaks favorably of, even as a marriage prospect, is Tommen, make of that what you will. The show messes Sansa-Tyrion dynamics big time. Kneeling during the wedding aside, Sansa's 'Never' during the night is supposed to destroy Tyrion emotionally and shatter any chances of the relationship working, similarly to Robert's 'Lyanna' - and here we have Tyrion and Sansa behaving like best buddies before the RW, completely undermining this scene and Sansa's angst over being married to a Lannister. So while Book!Sansa might have ackowledged Tyrion's virtues (and it still didn't make her warm up to him), TV!Sansa's being impressed by his saintly glow is a complete BS.
  4. Well, with Jaime dehanded, Barristan old, Robert obese (and dead), I think the Hound is the reasonable choice... in that short period of time before he's crippled. I agree that Oberyn is a wild card and can be formidable when he's now acting stupid. After that it's possibly between Loras and Brienne.
  5. Loras wasn't a POV either, though obviously he had the advantage of being alive longer. And for Renly we could only count on (higly unlikely) somebody else reminiscing his actions that would shed more light on his feelings. Ditto for Joanna. Cersei is voicing her opinions, but Arya is just observing facts about the Mountain's men. And yes, the author's views matter because he is the one writing his characters as straight or gay or anything else and make their actions based or not on their orientations. We just interpret. So, in Martinland in general rapists seem to have target base related to their sexual orientations and, if avaiable, attractiveness. Btw, I didn't call Euron gay.
  6. It's Loras' side, we don't know Renly's. (and that's part of why I consider Loras more sympathetic than Renly) Can I get a source to this science fact? Also not sure about Martin's outlook to that, and we're discussing Martin books here. We have little things like Cersei claiming that a pretty girl like Shae would have a 'busy night' when the Red Keep falls and the Mountain's men tended to line up for 'one girl, prettier than the others'. A girl beautiful like Sansa attracts all sorts of creeps. So, sexual attractiveness preference. Of course, Lollys or Brienne also aren't safe, but to think of it, the Bloody Mummers for one were more interested in raping Brienne than Jaime (and it has nothing to do with him being a Lannister, since the Goat wanted to 'ruin' him). So, gender preference. Seems to be more correlation than with hair colour. Agree about Lady Nym. Also Renly, who contrary to his TV counterpart is just a greedy asshole who doesn't seem to have any redeeming qualities.
  7. They (Lyn and Septon Utt) still prefer boys over girls, that's why they're on the list. No argument that they're predators and deviants, but sexual violence acts they engage in happen to be homosexual as well. Euron is 'anything that moves' kind of rapist. All of them illustrate the point that Martin DOES NOT engage in any kind of 'positive discrimination here', there are good people and monsters there regardless of which way they swing.
  8. Well, JonCon aged and remained gay for Rhaegar, so it's safe to say that his gayness wasn't related to his youth and coolness, lol. Name one lesbian player. OK, Taena maybe. And the answer is: because sexuality of characters in the background is less explored? And their gay activities would be obviously less known facts than marriages/visiting brothels.
  9. And characters like Renly, not to mention Lyn Corbray, are rather negative. Loras is a badass and have some redemptive qualities (like genuine love for Renly, loyalty to his family and honesty of feelings), but amounts to an arrogant prick. Oberyn is everyone's bae, but it's not even confirmed he's really bisexual. It's only confirmed Ellaria is, and she's definitely a positive example, but she doesn't wave any weapon, so I suppose she doesn't count as "cool". As for other characters who may be straight, but go far in doing "gay things" onscreen than any of the aforementioned: Dany, who is at least debatable, Taena Merryweather and frigging Cersei. Oh, and let's not forget Euron the likely brother-molester. And wasn't one of the Bloody Mummers a homo pedophile (like Lyn Corbray) either? Seriously, disproportionately positive portrayal of gay characters suggesting that the author is immensely pro-gay? Seriously?
  10. OMG, LGBT characters having personalities and/or being successful, how shocking. First, the only decidedly cool character here is Oberyn Martell (I don't know about the Targaryen boy, didn't read prequels), who is Dornish and as such is just free-er to express whatever sexual desires he has. And it's not even confirmed he's bisexual. You're confusing books with show. The second coolest would be probably Renly, who has also a bit of Robert-like macho-obnoxiousness in him, but I'm surprised Loras isn't here. One of the greatest warriors in the Seven Kingdoms, anyone? Lyn Corbray is a deviant, Connington is a strict, humourless, dutiful dude, who doesn't even stand out with those traits, because the series has characters like Tywin or Stannis. I guess that if there was a truly macho character, like Victarion, who would happen to be gay and consequently have a big chip on his shoulder because of this, it would be interesting to explore. But we don't have a theme like that. Seven Kingdoms is just a place where is better to be a badass, no matter if you're gay or straight. Or are you just complaining that some characters you like happen to be of sexual orientation you don't like?
  11. The Most Intelligent Pre-Teen?

    Isn't Wylla Manderly older than Sansa? My vote goes for Missandei, bc her language abilities seem to be superhuman, but ...this.
  12. And given that Robert was basically a rapist... the only thing that kept that scene to be possible to stomach for me is that Taena was either into Cersei, or at least had a prostitute-professional outlook to it.
  13. "Moral ambiguity" is overrated and overestimated

    If ethical standards should be beneficial to life in general then boy, isn't the humankind a big cancer on the Earth's face. But still those standards are formulated by us, ie. a species that needs other life/natural survival to its own survival, so that's why we respect life in general. The Others are constructed in a seemingly different way, so our ethics has probably no use from their point of view. They have different goals from us (and all the other species that well, don't want to be frozen to death), it's in their nature. Um... if it's amorality, ergo lack of morality, then what is ambigous about that?
  14. "Moral ambiguity" is overrated and overestimated

    And what is the notion of good and evil here? Based on what's beneficial to humans? The idea of applying human standards of morality to some other race is absurd in itself, and hey, if so, the Others apparently just want to conquer and set the rules most beneficial to them. Is that this much worse than us? Tywin is an asshole who almost always does more than is necessary to maintain his family legacy, isn't above some petty revenge and actually treats his family like shit too. Having explanations makes the characters more human, and so does being forced to choose between the 'good' and the 'evil', along with situations where it's debatable what 'good' or 'evil' are, or where they are different from ~medieval point of view than they would be from ours. Also there are situations when acting 'good' is just plain dumb and may bring much worse consequences than acting 'evil'. Exploring those topics is what makes ASOIAF so interesting, so I'd say, no, moral ambiguity is not overrated. Though of course fans will eagerly use this phrase when they want to excuse their favourite from doing something repulsive Also, I don't think anybody would say that Gregor Clegane is not evil. He is, there is no doubt to it, and that's why we don't discuss his character.
  15. Most cowardly deed in ASOIAF.

    To me it's not this fact in itself that's cowardly (it only makes him a horrible person), but the implication that since 'he saw himself as a hero, and heroes do not kill children' he'd be afraid to walk the walk himself and gladly hid behind Tywin's villainy.