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  1. Rainbows are definitely an odd choice for Renly, who comes across as a bit of a hedonist, not to mention with a real pagan vibe (I'm thinking of the Green Knight of arthurian legend, and the mythological Horned God). As @Seams said upthread, Renly and his Guard are surrounded by imagery of summmer and fruitfulness, and rainbow colours fit well with that and not so well with the white and stony imagery of the Faith, which is one reason why I like the idea that the owners of crystals are trapping and controlling colours/lives that don't rightly belong to them. (I'm reminded here of Illyrio who controls many lives: 'Jewels danced when he moved his hands....') and I love this! and it's well supported too - The idea of 'life' within the Wall gets an extra push from the sentinels and ice-cell prisoners mentioned above, plus all the dead animals in the food stores which link back to all that animal sigil imagery. And the Shieldhall even gives us a rainbow. We're told that when a knight dies, his shield goes onto his pyre or into his tomb - it's a slender hint, but does link the dying spirit with his colour. This all makes the magic of the Wall look a bit sinister. I argued above that a rainbow, metaphorically speaking, represents entrapment and coercion - and this is such a good fit here. The watchman swears to serve for all nights to come, until death. But if you never completely die - because ice preserves - then you're protecting the realms of men absolutely forever.
  2. I've been thinking some more on Dany & Mel too, and I agree their destinies are not the same. Dany cast aside her jewelled collar - in contrast, Mel is never without hers, and that ruby screams control (and maybe her soul is trapped within?). So Dany has free will, which could make all the difference.
  3. Reading the thread has changed my ideas right round a few times (funny how the forum is much better at generating ideas than the books... thanks, everyone.) Gandalf would be wrong in this instance, I think. The white light may be pure, but it's not better than messy, multicoloured life. Sansa chooses to embrace the pure world, but she knows she doesn't really belong there. The Black Brothers and the White Brothers are are celibates, they don't generate life. Life is in all colours of the rainbow, as represented by the drothraki sea. The higher echelons of the Faith are also celibate, they wear white, they love crystals (a close parallel to ice), and they love stars (which according to drothraki teachings are ghosts). Long ago they had a fearsome army that was defeated with great difficulty. These high priests and priestesses really, really sound like the Others. So I can't help thinking that stars, and crystals and rainbows may be fine and lovely things, but they have a much darker layer of meaning. I think the key to crystals and rainbows is that the light is bent; it is controlled and shaped. You might say it bows towards authority (as the Faith teaches that people should). Ice preserves, so possibly life will be preserved, but trapped like light reflecting internally in a crystal. I think this says something about the Others' army of the undead. Last thing, I put my fingers to the keyboard to blast Mel for burning rainbows, because she is thereby burning enslaved humanity. But she was actually burning the glass guy, any metaphorical rainbows were collateral damage. I still don't know what to think about Mel. Is she representing Dany? Burning the ice wights?
  4. I've forgotten more than you have ever read.
  5. @Feather Crystal Thank you! I think this imagery of the wheeled sun could be surprisingly solid. I've just remembered that Cersei tries to ride her massive sun chariot through the gates of Winterfell, but can't make it - obviously the sun is excluded from winter. So it's brilliant that you're already working on theories on Dorne and Casterly Rock (not to mention chapter headings - I have always wondered...) Look forward to reading it all.
  6. I don't see Bran fighting physically, no. And full-on dragon-warging may be impossible (though I'm sure Bloodraven would have a go). It's not the warging aspect I'm thinking of, so much as Bran sitting on the dragon's back, being literally lifted into the air. He only needs a similar level of bonding as a Targ would achieve. The crow has got be using 'walk' and 'fly' with different meanings. Bran has 'walked' in Summer, and been carried by Hodor, so the only sense in which he has not walked is by re-gaining the use of his legs. That makes three ways of walking. The three ways of flying would have to be warging a crow, being carried by a dragon, and growing a pair of fluffy wings. Which is definitely not happening.
  7. I wouldn't want you as my pilot. Nothing personal. As in-story advice goes, that was relatively mild. How about this? Flying is a nice metaphor for power (winged wolves, winged lions etc), but Euron's metaphor seems to happen in a terribly literal way to quite a few characters: Bran Ashara (?) Sansa (thought of jumping, but bottled it) Lysa (let her fly!) That guy that Arya had killed by Jaquen (?) Penrose, who was holding Storm's End against Stannis Maybe they all gained their mental wings on the way down. Who knows? it's a training method with very few graduates.
  8. I like this. Cersei and Doran both have very striking wheeled transport (a truly gigantic wheelhouse, an unusual wheeled chair) - and both of them represent the sun in their own way - she's compared to the sun very often, and called a goddess twice; he has his sun sigil, and a lot of bright copper that might represent the setting sun (the sun is in very bad shape as represented by Doran!). So the Day/Night cycle is linked to a wheel. Beyond this, we're given that the Long Night lasted a generation, so the seasons are on a wheel also. And the Long Night is also the time when destiny calls, and heroes are reborn - if the heroes fulfil their role in the neverending story, life goes on; otherwise I suppose it's all howling in the the darkness forever.
  9. Fall down seven times, get up eight times. It's what a hero is made of. This. Bran has done his fall, now he can learn to fly. I'm betting on a dragon for Bran, on the grounds that he's one of the very few characters small enough to be carried by Dany's babies.
  10. Nice topic. Rainbows are a puzzle: there's an irresistible contrast between the monochrome Night and the multicolour Day - but if rainbows belong to Day, then why do they come from crystals, which seem to me to be very straightforwardly representing ice -> winter -> Night? I'd forgotten Lord Sunglass. Mel worships her god for holding back the Night and returning the world to Day, but if she's destroying rainbows, maybe that means she's forgotten to cherish light and life; she's forgotten what she's fighting for. The centrality of green sounds very good. It's the natural colour for the knights of summer, and it's the colour chosen by their king for his armour. Green is a favourite of the Lannister twins as well, who are both beautiful as the sun, with sunlight in their hair etc, etc. Green is linked with gold again in the arms of the Tyrells, heirs to the gardener kings. The ultimate summer colour. Oranges? Feet??! Loras as Stranger: I like that idea. Black and white are both death colours: when Loras fights as a knight, his chosen colours are blue, silver and white - a proper ice knight. He reminds me of Tolkein's wizards: Saruman the White became Saruman of many colours; which Gandalf described as the white light being broken (and therefore corrupted). I'm not sure what grrm's spin on this would be, but Loras travels the other way - was a rainbow; now white, becoming more pure, not less.
  11. Thanks @Curled Finger. I'll start with a speed read of the justice highlights in @Seams's Puns and Wordplay and Intriguing Mystery Swords, and your own Lets Find the Swords. Lots of material already! I'll add my 2 cents to bottom.
  12. Thanks, @Curled Finger. It's another great topic! I'll do some reading about the swords. About death/near death being essential for a re-birth - I think this is true; but Jaquen's rules apply, and the gods of death will accept a proxy: 'The Red God has his due, sweet girl, and only death may pay for life. This girl took three that were his. This girl must give three in their places.' (We're reminded of proxies again with Tommen's whipping boy.) Bran and Rickon should have died in the sack of Winterfell; but they live on, and the miller's boys take their place. I'm tempted to include Doreah as a representative of Dany's early compliant, sex-kitten self. Doreah died in the face of the harsh realities of the Red Waste. There could be many more, but dead minor characters slip under my radar so easily! This opens up a big possibility for Jaime. Hyle Hunt, like Jaime, was initially dismissive and cruel to Brienne, but later grew to like her. Hyle even wants to marry her. Given that Hyle is close to death, and Jaime approaching a crossroads in his life, it seems very much like another proxy death is on the cards - Jaime will survive and switch paths. Which leaves Pod. Who is a look-alike to Ilyn, and at risk of death just as much as Hyle is. Will he die to allow Ilyn to change paths? It's a difficult thought for me, because I want Pod to be Justice re-born, but there could be another way. Maybe Ilyn will arrive and see the injustice that has been done to Pod, and his spirit will revive in righteous anger. Of course, Brienne can't be coerced by LSH unless at least one of her companions is still alive, so it's one or the other. No question, they're still in mortal danger though.
  13. Agree! I've been reading Davos after the Blackwater, and he remembers drowning, but wakes up on a sea rock, next to a drowned corpse, a broken mast and a burned sail. That dead body represents his past life so perfectly, it feels like he's a snake who's shed his skin (btw, it's and up-and-down scene too: he doesn't escape the grip of death until he climbs to the top of his rock spire and signals a ship). He has changed - he goes out like a hero to kill the monster Mel; old Davos would not have done that. And then it happens again, with Manderly - a look-alike body appears to represent the death of Davos, and Davos himself lives on, but the course of his life has changed once more. This is an idea I am very enthusiastic about - I'm writing a post for the Podrick Payne thread highlighting the similarities between Ilyn and Pod - the speech defect, the skin blemishes, the sword across the back, the chainmail - not big things in themselves, but the parallels build up. And I think the piebald horse is also a link, and a link to death besides (in a complicated kind of way). Seems to me that Death and Justice have been corruptly merged in both Ice and Ilyn Payne, and Pod, the new Justice, is being overshadowed by Death also. If Pod dies, I can't see where the hope for justice remains in the story - certainly justice would be dead for Brienne, at least.
  14. Yay, more science please! Seems to me a lot of research is about finding repeatable patterns in a mass of data. Sounds a perfect fit to me. With the proviso that grrm is busily hiding his tracks and making mistakes. Even so, the patterns are there. There again, I heard recent advice that younger fathers had a better chance at healthy offspring. That's the trouble with living in the information age, you get expert opinion coming at you from all sides. I suppose the benefits of longer teleromes are still being researched...
  15. This is not precisely relevant to this scenario. Late abortions are irrelevant here. From Cat's evidence the girls were intimate enough to know when each was having her period, but Cat never even knew Lysa had been pregnant. Nor does she remember Lysa complaining about any gynaecological problem, nor anything to indicate an infection which (iirc) is the main driver of infertility following abortion. Lysa felt healthy, beautiful and joyful on her wedding day, and probably she was. Outside my area of sure knowledge, but I have heard experts say that miscarriage has many possible causes, and even now is not fully understood. Lysa's uterus was good enough for SR at least. Also, you can't jump from saying a thing can happen, to saying it definitely did happen; that's not a fair argument. Lysa could be infertile, but the probability of this is low, as I argued above. Jon Arryn's fertility could be fine, but his record says probably not.