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  1. that TWOW and ADOS will ever be published
  2. Touche The labeling of "the arrogant" has always seemed odd to me. Makes sense. Thinking about the title it occurs to me that I never fully understood how the Scots used "The Bruce (Brus)" Like Robert the Bruce. What did it mean to be The Bruce of something. I swear I read the wiki and still don't get it. Wonder if this might be at play
  3. Why did Tyrion go to Harrenhall? Because that is where Hoares Whent.
  4. SweetSunray this is EXACTLY why I post things here. It never would of occurred to me that there was even a possibility of the female name being taken. Awesome.
  5. I think this is the most reasonable explanation for the use. So there is "a stark of winterfell" which is a stark family member and "The Stark" which is the lord probably kind of out of fashion First Men way of saying it with the Clans and the Free Folk. But then this brings up my other question: If it is the case that house Stark comes from Bran the Builder who was the grandson of Garth Greenhand (and I know it is a big IF but I buy it) then when Bran got to the north was there A Stark? How did Bran become The Stark
  6. It really is something that bugs me. Regional thing is possible and would account for a few issues, but not all of them
  7. Because the founder of that house, the Bronze king, was named Royce so it makes sense. I am a believer that Garth was BotBB's father and BotBB was, in turn, Bran the Builders father. You are right, it is speculation, but I think the internal logic is coherent and pans out. That argument aside, the hypothetical still stands If Garth is Brandon of the Bloody Blade's father and if BotBB is Bran the Builder's father then at some point Bran the Builder (or one of his children) intentionally took the name Stark as a surname and if so they must have did it for a reason. I grant that if Garth is not an ancestor then the question loses some interest though.
  8. I have often wondered this as well. Maybe it is just a northern way of speaking, but who knows. It would explain some problems and create others so I don't know. I think the way they use The Stark of Winterfell makes me feel that it is possible in the age of Heros that Brandon found The Stark of the north or The Stark of something and was somehow given that title and became, after building it, The Stark of Winterfell. So again, possible, but I just don't know. I do not like that there is really no satisfying answer. Of course @The Transporter is right that the name does describe the members of the family and is a way for George to let the reader know what to expect, but I just want more. Further, while Stark does accurately describe Ned, Jon and too a slightly lesser degree Robb, Bran and Arya it doesn't describe Sansa. Moreover, it doesn't really describe Brandon (Ned's Brother) and I have my doubts that Rickard was much like Ned. Other famous Starks like Theon the Hungry Wolf. This is an 8000 year lineage, the idea that Ned's personality is the norm is nowhere to be found really.
  9. Stark is obviously a surname but there are several occasions when it is used as a title as in "The Stark of Winterfell" which, unlike "a stark of winterfell" which seems to mean a stark family member in the line of the lord, seems like a title. The reason I ask is because I am wondering where "Stark" came from. Was Bran the Builder Brandon Stark? What about Brandon of the Bloody Blade? By rights he should have been Brandon Greenhand. At some point in the age of Heros between Brandon of the Bloody Blade coming to maturity and going out into the world and making his mark on it and Bran the Builder building winterfell the name (or title) Stark was taken and I was curious as to when, why, how etc. Most other names make sense. Garth Greenhand founding house Gardener, Lann the Clever with Lannisters, Durran and House Durrandon. That we really have no common sense reason for why Brandon would take the name stark short of the horribly unsatisfying "hey, sure is stark up here maybe i'll use that as a name" seems to be important to me.
  10. I have a college age cousin who is a bit of a Northern California hippie type. Last time I saw him he was with his friends. When I spoke to his mother and she inquired of him I told her “he is well, but he is spending time in the company of hedge wizards which is worrisome”
  11. It is an interesting thought to link the one whose name must not be spoken (great other) and the one who has had his name erased from the history (NK) I have always seen the NK as kind of pulling a Moses when the Pharaoh has his name removed for all the histories and while Moses was not a god, he did have powers given to him divinely. What you say here is interesting because it makes me think of something I had never considered. For the great other "His Name Must Not Be Spoken" This means that he did, in fact, have a name. Whether or not the great other is the NK is one question, but even if that doesn't pan out just what the name of the great other is can be very fertile ground. My first guess is "Tim" but, ya know, I could be mistaken.
  12. I hadn't thought about the idea that they could tell the dragons to off themselves. Possible i guess, but I am not even sure dragons bound to a dragon riders will would go ahead and just kill themselves. Who knows though, interesting. The reason, which you may guess, that I think that they would want the dragons dead is because the FM get their start in the 14 flames as slaves to the dragon lords. They are very anti dragon. I am not so sure that the FM would really oppose this. There is a difference between what they say and what they believe. I never bought the idea that JH was doing those killings for Arya because she stile three lives from the lord of light. That is insanity. What would the purpose be? The whole thing seems crazy. Not only would JH, as a faceless man, be more apt to side with the great other (and the goat god of qohor and the stranger and all the other death deities) over the lord of light, but it would be impossible to go around just assassinating everyone who stole a soul from the lord of light. Is he going to kill every Maester who helps a sick person? Will he kill Howland Reed for sparing Ned from getting killed by Arthur Dayne? I mean its just goofy. Further, the lord of light is a god...what is human time to the lord of light. You can't steal a soul from him. Maybe postpone delivery but all men die. Speaking of which, I believe that this is what the FM are up to...Valar Morghulis is more than just a pithy saying and philosophy, but the imperative by which the FM operate. They want to tank the wall and bring on the long night. They are going to try to kill everyone. All men must die. The others would do exactly what Varys has been saying he wants to do all along...bring peace to the realm. Once people all die out and the wheel of feudalism is broken it will be an end to the suffering on mass scale. I could (and probably am) very wrong here, it is just my current thinking on the topic. thanks for bearing with me.
  13. I believe that he was looking for ways to kill dragons. That they were little doesn't matter in my thinking because I believe the FM are looking to take down the wall and believe that they can only do this with dragon fire. The thinking goes that they would abduct and somehow bind themselves to a dragon (dragon horn?) and then, after taking out the wall, need to know how to kill it.
  14. I always wondered in Sandor was French...as in Sans D'or or "without gold" If this worked it could bleed over to Sansa we might look at "a" which is to posses in latin so Sans a would be to have no possession (though this takes some gymnastics to get to)
  15. OK, this might get strange but let's do it. So Georges Bataille in his book Eroticism: Death and Sensuality says "There is no better way to know death than to link it with some licentious image." (he attributes it to De Sade, though I have never found the De Sade quote) and also "Inevitably linked with the moment of climax, there is a minor rupture suggestive of death; and conversely the idea of death may play a part in setting sensuality in motion." This linking of death and sensuality and eroticism goes back as far as one can possibly look. Take for example the Proem of Parmenides which evokes the black gate that Sam and the gang travel through, but also in increadibly sensual and also has direct relevance to Bran's education (will come back to this) This was written some 500 years before Christ and this linking of going into the underworld, that journey being sexual and a divine education happening is there yet. Look at what the traveler in the proem learns "Far, indeed, does it lie from the beaten track of men! Meet it is that thou shouldst learn all things, as well the unshaken heart of well-rounded truth, as the opinions of mortals in which is no true belief at all." I love this. Like Bran he is learning the "unshaken heart of well-rounded truth" but also the "opinions of mortals in which there is no truth at all" So back to the unbirthing, hymeneal piercing at the black gate. You suggest Sam as word and bran as hand, but I think George actually gives us a more clear vision if we look. the name Bran means raven in Welsh. There is no way that this is lost on grrm. Let's follow this a little bit to find out which parts Sam and Bran are playing to the Black Gate's Hymen. Claude Levi-Strauss points to Raven's being symbolically important because they have the connotation of messenger as well as being associated with both life and death. He feels that the Raven is a kind of mediator between those two and in some ways Bran too stands at a point between life and death. Ravens are linked to fertility (think of Kutkh the raven spirit) in their association with life. The raven as messenger closely relates to the genetic "message" of the man being delivered to the fertile womb of the feminine. So rather than the hand, I would tend to see Bran as the semen. What does this make Sam? Well, as you note, he does say the words which allows the gate to open so he could push Bran in.....so if Bran is the Semen in this case that makes Sam, yes you guessed it, the "fat pink mast" So to put it all together: We have a long standing history between death and the erotic which even extends itself into divine learning from god (learning both objective truth and the opinions of men) which occurs through a sexualized going into the underworld or realm of gods (could have done this with dozens of other examples...The Inferno comes to mind, but yeah, gonna leave it at the one). While the student does the divine learning in the underworld they are a combination of life and death....alive, but in the underworld somewhere between...as is the Raven. Bran means raven. Bran goes through the black gate, the hymen which separates the world of the living and the dead by being ejaculated into the womb by Sam who is the fat pink mast. I suspect that after his gestation period is through and he is reborn into the world that the analogy will continue to carry. Just to bring this around to magical swords because my recent conversation with @Curled Finger always makes me think about them: Sam is (and is invoking the fact) that he is the sword in the darkness. So as phallus piercing hymen to ejaculate Bran into the underworld Sam is quite literally the sword in the darkness.