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  1. Very interesting read! Thank you.
  2. Oi, great catch. That was a misconception on my part.
  3. While the First Men might have mostly crossed into Westeros through the land bridge, I doubt that any bronze-age-technology humans couldn't build any rafts/boats that traverse rivers and hug the coasts.
  4. @Dorian Martell's son Dude, you are on a roll with basic questions The records of the first 13 LCs were completely wiped out. If this was to ensure the complete wipe-out of the 13th LC from history, it seems too severe and contradictory. Is the 1st LC really that similar to the 13th? And why not eliminate the LCs up to the 20th if that is what the recorders really wanted to ensure complete wipe-out? I think it is most likely that the first 13 LCs did the sacrifices - sacrifices that did not occur afterwards.
  5. @Dorian Martell's son The oath about having no children was added later after the 13th LC would be my guess. As for the core oaths, the Night's Watch still fulfills its superficial but still important meaning: protect the realm against the Others. The White Walkers were apparently fine with just the sacrifices from the later wildlings (female Wildlings who slept with the White Walkers to produce children?) up until now.
  6. @Dorian Martell's son Probably their own children! Hence, why Craster - another connection - was so certain he was an honorable man. It would also explain why the Watchmen can't have any children; that rule further provides emotional protection!
  7. @Dorian Martell's son Yes, that is also possible. But this is fiction from a professional author; deep and not-so-obvious meanings should be there at times. ;P Besides, I'm probably not the first person to think that some sacrifices were involved in the truce.
  8. Keep in mind that Samwell Tarley reiterate these shortened oaths at the very foundations of the Wall.
  9. This is something I have just recently discovered on another thread. I'm pretty sure others have reached the same conclusions before, but I would like to add some more solid evidence. Here is something fundamental about the oaths of the Night's Watch: 1. The shortened oaths are the very core of the Night's Watch. 2. The shortened oaths are very still much against the Others (unless GRRM is twisting words beyond any meaningful discussion). However, I think the oaths also reveal the reason why the Night's Watch were so unforgiving of the Children (cutting down Weirwoods near the Wall): there was probably some compromise-sacrifice to the Other's involved. It is very interesting what these oaths can mean beside being against the Others. 'the fire that burns against the cold'- The people simply cannot accept compromise-sacrifice, but I must follow the deal for the greater good and withstand the cold hatred of (justifiably) angry people. 'the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers.' And truly, if these people want justice, they must rise up on their own. I would die a happy man if my horrible duty do lead to some hopeful change and final uprising against the Others. 'I am the shield that guards the realms of men' - But while these people are 'waking up' I must protect their emotions from the horrors of sacrifice. I take all of the blame and hatred if discovered; I suffer silently otherwise. Now I think I understand why ' Then pass' sound so much like an understanding reproach. The deed is horrendous but it must be done. The Door is probably the closest gate to the nine Weirwood Grove (meeting ground for sacrifice?). And this is why the 'children' (including Hodor) were prevented from going North before the 'seasoned adults' returned/waited to escort (Coldhands; Sam the Slayer). The 13th Lord Commander just happened to receive a gift from the Others, and this pushes every human beings in the North to the brink of tolerance.
  10. I meant more like 'ice magic' vs 'ice magic'. But yes, material considerations are also important. As Bran passed beneath the 'mouth' he described a liquid from the Wall as being salty like tears.
  11. @Gotbleedingstar Very nice post! Thank you for that.
  12. GyantSpyder has demonstrated to me that the Children are probably not as benevolent as they seem. However, this further cements the idea that the Children, Men, and Giants built the Wall during 'truce of the Long Night' mainly to keep Others from coming South. In other words, preventing the threat of 'true' Winter seems to be the one, undeniable purpose of the Wall. This is in contrast with the Wall preventing people from going North because it seems to exist only for people's safety and not because it was the main function of the Wall. This all goes back to the repetition of oaths by Samwell Tarley at the very foundations of the Wall. I've looked it over - and I do change my positions and suspicions thanks to Gyant and others - but some fundamental things seem to remain very much the same: 1. The shortened oaths are the very core of the Night's Watch. 2. The oaths are very much against the Others (unless GRRM is twisting words beyond any meaningful discussion). However, I think the oaths also reveal the reason why the Night's Watch were so unforgiving of the Children: there was probably some compromise-sacrifice to the Other's involved. It is very interesting what these oaths can mean beside being against the Others. 'the fire that burns against the cold'- The people simply cannot accept compromise-sacrifice, but I must follow the deal for the greater good and withstand the cold hatred of (justifiably) angry people. 'the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers.' And truly, if these people want justice, they must rise up on their own. I would die a happy man if my horrible duty do lead to some hopeful change and final uprising against the Others. 'I am the shield that guards the realms of men' - But while these people are 'waking up' I must protect their emotions from the horrors of sacrifice. I take all of the blame and hatred if discovered; I suffer silently otherwise. Now I think I understand why ' Then pass' sound so much like an understanding reproach. The deed is horrendous but it must be done. The Door is probably the closest gate to the nine Weirwood Grove (meeting ground for sacrifice?). And this is why the 'children' (including Hodor) were prevented from going North before the 'seasoned adults' returned/waited to escort (Coldhands; Sam the Slayer). ------------------------------------------------------------------------- And this is why it was the most likely that it was the Children who built the Wall, not the Others. The show may diverge from the book, but the core plot should remain very similar. I don't think the Children are Mary Sue characters: if they were the creators, they must have lost control over the Others at some point. Heck, the Children even lost control with whatever they were trying to do at the Neck. The Others likely do not have control over Salt Water. The Children have feats throughout recorded and oral history (The Narrow Sea and the Neck), and they demonstrated their power for the last time on the Wall with the cooperation of Humans and Giants. They do so because entire ecosystems will be wiped out with another Long Night. 'Like' often repels 'like' in nature, so the Children made a pretty safe gamble with their Ice magic. But Humans were still understandably upset with the compromise. They still trusted the Children over the Others of course. But without any 'relieve valve', they cut down some more Weirwoods within the vicinity of the Wall as a reminder that 'the deal better work'. Some men can worship the Old Gods if they so desire but not near the domicile of the Watch. I don't think any explanation is likelier than that.
  13. Not if it involves giants. If a conglomeration of Children, Men, and Giants can build the Wall ( even if it was - say - 'only' 100 foot high at the beginning) they should be more than capable of clearing the woodlands. Don't also forget the sheer manpower of the Wildlings - who were on good terms with the Watchmen from time to time (heck I have a reasonable suspicion that some of them were adventure-loving woodcutters employed and released by the Night's Watch a long time ago). The Night's Watch had their glory days, and it is extremely likely that they used the surrounding woods for daily activities during those time periods. Of course, since they were in decline for a while, the woods should begin to grow back as you pointed out. I don't consider, wood clearing (that did not involve the Weirwoods) to be anything suspicious in this case. However, the rest of your points do make astonishing sense- especially after I have read your thread about a possible 'Possibly-Malevolent-Fungal-Deity' of Westeros. See my further responses below.
  14. These are all reasonable since the Night's Watch has to be kept competent; having a known property North of the Wall means that the Night's Watch has to go ranging from time to time. And the weirwood 'password' is more than a password. It requires a reaffirmation of oaths and let us remember how important and fundamental oaths are to the ASOIAF's universe. Seriously, serious oaths are protected by deep magic of some sort and would bring consequences against any entity known to have broken them. I doubt the Others would swear to be 'the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers.' The oath 'I am the shield that guards the realms of men' also seals the deal against the Others.
  15. Not even with the help of Giants? And remember that humans create Wildfires even without being completely specialized in fire. I don't think it is reasonable that certain deep Ice magic should be out of reach of Humans/Children. The Wall might have even been too crude of a concept for the Others, who are truly masters of Ice and create/breed living Ice creatures like the Ice Spiders.