Padrino

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  1. I haven't read the books, but I believe that Joffrey overhears King Robert saying that it would be a mercy for Bran to die, and it's implied that Joffrey sends the assassin. The show never hints at Joffrey being involved though, and the only time that any character expresses that sort of sentiment (Cersei), Joffrey is not present.
  2. Interesting video thanks. Never watched one of her reviews, but she sums up my feelings about the Arya/Sansa/Bran scenario to a tee. The only scenario that fits neatly is that there was no plotting beforehand and it was all real, and then the show pulls off a twisty, crappy, 'gotcha' court room scene that looks completely out of place, and appears to make everything that preceded it redundant, and even worse, manipulative of the audience. The Littlefinger blunder to Sansa was actually a subtle, clever piece of writing, and then they sledgehammered it to bits with the trial scene.
  3. Agreed. We've already seen that although he was outmatched, and then some, against Dany, Drogon and the Dothraki, he kept his head and did as well as anyone could under the circumstances, to the point of suicidally charging the commander of the enemy forces. No General in history could have won that battle, but he acquitted himself well.
  4. That one is easily explainable. The maesters are old and cynical enough to know that families rise and families fall, castles get sacked and burned, and would keep their records in the most secure place possible.
  5. Aye good post. As I've said, I've not looked for faults in the show or the writing, and I've enjoyed the show immensely for the most part. The showrunners showed that they have the talent to put together an amazing show in seasons 1-4, and although 5 and 6 were inferior, I never had much reason to complain and still thoroughly enjoyed them. This season has been about set-pieces, 'moments' between characters and outright misleading the audience or setting up red herrings. I don't blame the writers really, it's just unfortunate that Martin couldn't finish this latest book and maybe dedicated a little more time to the show, and the writers have been forced into making what usually makes a successful show, which GoT was never really about nor what made it successful in the first place. That said, I would happily watch 8 seasons of the Hound wandering Westeros, Kung-Fu style, demanding chicken and calling everyone a cunt. Seriously HBO, make it happen.
  6. I've never been one to criticise or look for faults in the writing. I was still fairly happy with it up until this season, but the difference this year is jarring. He confessed because the plot demanded it, simple as. And another thing, when Arya and Sansa are talking on the battlements, Arya says something like 'I could never have survived what you're been through' to Sansa. They've never discussed what Sansa has been through on the show. Sansa hinted at it, but there was never a scene in which she went into explicit detail, so when they did they have that particular conversation? Before the trial? After? it just makes it feel like there's a whole scene missing. I wouldn't usually bother with such an apparently trivial detail, but now it has me thinking maybe they were plotting all along, and the very sensible conclusion I came to was not so sensible at all. It is probably still the correct conclusion, but it's all just so messy and contrived for dramatic effect.
  7. I'm no expert in these matters, but trial by combat is something you would offer in place of a not guilty plea. LF basically confessed to the crimes so it ruled trial by combat out. That's not to say that I'm happy with him giving up just like that, but he couldn't admit to the crimes and then demand trial by combat, it's one or the other.
  8. I will agree that it has not been clear up until this last episode, that much is true. However, this episode showed that Arya's hostility and her snooping around were all very real. It's only Littlefinger dropping himself in it that did for him, not some kind of coded messages between the sisters or Bran's visions or hidden plotting or whatever, but LF being caught in an obvious lie. The show spelled it out.
  9. Well, this is the thing. It's not specifically that he tried to turn Sansa against Arya that was his undoing. He could have said Arya is a midget ninja psycho assassin that wants to kill Sansa for betraying the family, or a bunch of reasons that Sansa could believe. He, unfortunately for him, lead her to the only motive that she knew 100% could not possibly be true. If one was tempted to read too much into it, one could say that it's that precise moment that Sansa knows she's outgrown Littlefinger. She knows something he doesn't and she has nothing more to learn from him. But I still think she's a dummy tbh.
  10. Wut? You've interpreted the scene as the exact opposite of as it was intended. Arya despises Sansa's girliness and love of material things, and she was pointing out that she could take it all if she wanted, but she doesn't want any of that, hence handing the dagger to Sansa and leaving her terrified. It wasn't Arya saying she was on Sansa's side, it was Arya saying she doesn't care about power or titles or any of the things highborn Westerosi girls are supposed to care about. The scene was there to remind the audience, and Sansa, that Arya never wanted to be Lady of Winterfell, which leads us to this episode. Either way, it was not part of some scheme to fool Littlefinger, and it was Littlefinger implying that Arya wanted to be Lady of Winterfell that made Sansa finally realise he was plotting to set them against each other, 'I'm a slow learner, it's true. But I learn'. The hostility was very real, but that's not to say Arya was threatening Sansa's life, just setting her straight and trying to keep her honest. The trial scene emphasises why Sansa turned on him, because he was turning sister against sister, which she would not necessarily have realised if Littlefinger had nudged her toward a more believable motive for Arya's intentions. Up until the moment he dropped himself in it, with the Lady of Winterfell implication, his plan to divide them was working. . .
  11. Aye, I don't know what show people are watching. It's all there in the first Winterfell scene this episode. Sansa and Littlefinger are discussing Jon bending the knee to Dany, which then turns to the subject of Arya. Sansa is still clueless at that point, all the hostility with Arya has been real to her. It's only when LF pushes her to the conclusion that Arya is there to kill her and replace her as Lady of Winterfell that the penny finally drops, he wants her to dispose of Arya. She knows LF is shady as they come, and she's tolerated that until now, but that very moment is when she realises that LF is encouraging her to kill her own sister for a motive she knows can not possibly be true.
  12. People are reading waaaaaay too much into the Arya/Sansa/Littlefinger shenanigans before this episode. Arya following him and being hostile to Sansa was not a set up, that was all real. Sansa being frightened of Arya's intentions was also real. Now, Littlefinger could have implied that Arya was a psycho ninja assassin, and that she wanted to kill Sansa because she married a Bolton, or that her letter to Robb was treasonous, or a variety of other reasons, but he chose the one motive that Sansa knew for certain was not true, ie that Arya wants to be Lady of Winterfell. That was his undoing.
  13. He didn't need to be there. He saw an opportunity to set the Starks against the Lannister/Barratheons and took it. The show has been real hazy about it tbh, they haven't sold the idea well at all, but it was his dagger and he sent the assassin. Despite what book readers say, the show has never even hinted at Joffrey being involved, and the main reason suggested for Joffreys involvement in the books doesn't occur in the show. All roads have lead to Littlefinger as far as the show goes.
  14. This episode confirmed it was Littlefingers dagger and that he lied about losing it to Tyrion.