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  1. Bran will provide mystical knowledge that will help overcome the ultimate threat to all people in westeros. Having said that, do you see the mega possibilities of Sam in the Citadel? Learning all kinds of needed knowledge that will (like Bran) be heroic in a way that isn't the fighter himself but searches for and finds knowledge that is not mystical (or may be) but in a different way than Bran. I had not thought of that until a re-watch and FINALLY my brain latched onto why the Sam story has gone on so far when at times I thought it should die. There will be multiple heroes on different levels I think. I guess I made this thread for people to say who was their favorite character in the series...as in maybe to whom they related to that much or admired. I could easily choose Arya because of her personal journey ALONE growing from a very young girl to a woman through many, many trials and tribulations. Like, to me it wouldn't matter if she turns out on the "darkside" or whatever. It's her character's journey and what led her to where and who she is in the present.
  2. Oberyn Martell is on par with Rhaegar Targaryen. I would have chosen Rhaegar but he doesn't appear in the show or the books except through 3rd person. The only difference (which makes Oberyn even better) Oberyn cares NOT about what anyone thinks of his sexuality and fathers bastards from all over the world - only to collect them, bring them to Dorne and instruct them in all things Oberyn. He's a great warrior who explored the world and fought with different Companies, he writes poetry, milks vipers, studied at the Citadel and acquired links for a chain. He's incredibly diverse, cunning, witty, intelligent and he tells it like it is (he explained to Tyrion what Tyrion was REALLY like when born - as opposed to the bilge Cercei has been telling for years). During the fight, he looks Tywin right in his face while addressing the Mountain about who ordered him to kill Elia and the children. He fears nothing. Not only would he not care if someone spoke ill of his bi-sexuality but I bet most men wouldn't even bother to say it because he's a rough MF whom they know could put them down right quick. He makes bi-sexuality cool almost. That's hard to do in Westeros, since the endless jokes about Renly never stopped and he was in the running for KING. Loras was a warrior too but he himself said "everyone knows anyway" and they made endless jokes at his expense. Rhaegar - from the alternate views of others - is very similar. Very diverse, a warrior, a creative soul - and Oberyn while whored the world, Rhaegar lived in the spirit of that by choosing Lyanna and possibly marrying her in the Old God tradition (don't scream at me, it's a theory that has been around for a while and makes sense) and fathered her child. Meaning, he did whatever the F he wanted. And the whole "singing to the sparrows" and giving away the money, it's the same spirit of IDGAF. In the book chapter "The Watcher" Tyene Sand (one of the sand snakes) is going to be sent to the Sept (her mother was a Septa and taught her their ways) to spy from there while Nymeria (the blood of Old Volantis) is being sent to the Small Council.... both as a part of Prince Doran's plan to take down the Lannisters. And Obara is being sent to kind Darkstar to kill him for harming Myrcella to cover up their lie (due to Arianne's errant plan). These women are quick, smart and dangerous as hell because their father, Oberyn, taught them his ways. So even in death, The Red Viper lives on That's a legacy.
  3. one person lol maybe with an explanation why you feel that way
  4. Questions about the TV show end V book end

    personally I love the Dorne element (Arianne and Faekgon, etc in WoW) I think other than The North, it's the most interesting thing going on. It's everyone's opinion. I only know Cercei and Jamie are dead to me, yet, their wombed romance and lives of sin drone on and on. I only messed with the idea of if the book does something so radical from the show, it would be very lame. And no one could predict past just prior to the coming WoW because it was only in GRRs mind. Maybe the best example is Arya... her story was way different in the book than what they are doing in the show. They're just cramming it based on "character recognition" and tying up the plots of the existing characters who have been on the show for a long time and are well-liked by the audience. Arya's story is really deep and requires lots of kind of "meta" themes. In the show it was so beyond basic. As in "Mercy" representing Arya choosing to not kill her. duh but confrontation with "faewaif" must be had so she is forced to choose to return to Westeros - somehow at the joy of Jaqen. The book was taking Arya to cool places, the show chose common gore and Sweeny Todd callbacks (which were originally Shakespeare) of bodies in pies. Everything Dorne in the books (except Quentyn what a waste) is awesome. The sand snakes, all Arianne's friends, Areo Hotar, all of it. The books barely feature Elaria which is more real than her ruling Dorne. And Tyienne isn't even her daughter. But in the show, Cercei will kill Elaria's non-daughter in front of her in revenge for Myrcella. If I can predict it, then it shouldn't be. In the book chapter "The Watcher", one of the sand snakes was going to be on the Small Council and another was going to be secretly in The Sept (the one that has not exploded) and they were going to work from within to ruin House Lannister. And the show gives us what it has? And people don't think Dorne would not be a really cool element? And the fact Arianne was hooking up with Connington I think just brings in an element nobody wants to talk about. But Dorne's heir to the throne is in peril going to Storm's End in WoW chapters... to me, that's a lot of setup for a japed Fakegon. WoW
  5. So, I try to imagine how this worked out or happened.... did they have a board meeting with GRR and probe him on generalities of the end of his story as would eventually appear in his books? Did the show even try to get some form of "summation" from Martin about HIS end so they could complete a (by comparison) a quick and dirty version in the TV show? I found it very odd and interesting that in the released chapters of Winds of Winter, there are 2 Arianne chapters that go even further into the Jon Connington/Aegon plot. This plot device has been scorned perhaps universally by book readers... except, when I saw those 2 chapters, it told me there was going to be a huge difference of direction between book and TV. Arianne never made it into the TV show, neither did Connigton or Aegon or any of their crew. Before I go on, based on those chapters, I find it so bizarre that there is apparently no one inhabiting Storm's End -- rather, no heirs to Robert in any form (Stannis and Renly were IT?) - and Connington goes up from Griffin's Roost and basically just takes it for their cause. The TV show cut off Prince Doran and his plots put into motion over years (to marry Arianne to Viscerys to sending Quentyn (who?) to go try to marry Daenerys. The fact Arianne is going to ascertain the Connington Crew is completely different than the TV show........ and there are many other things. So again, I wonder if anyone knows HOW or in what way GRR "guided" the show's end (if at all) to make it line up with the end in his head even if in vague ways that wouldn't give away too much of the "real" story yet to be unfolded in his coming books. Lastly, I had a thought that could it be Jon being the son of Rhaegar is not even where the books were/are going? In terms of another Targaryen. Could it be the Connington Crew and Young Griff were to fulfill that role? Please be polite in answering this... some people hate that anyone talks about "Fakegon" but with these new chapters focusing on them... AND that Arianne (the heir to Dorne!) is going up to ally with them AND they have taken Storrm's End, AND AND Tyrion spent time with them and basically convinced Aegon not to on his knees to Daenerys but to land in Dorne and then she would come to him.... it's a little much to be a rouse. Bringing it home, what does anyone think about what went on if Martin guided the show to its end or not (even in generalities). To me it seems unlikely because for example WHAT if Sansa is going to die in the books? Yet on TV they have her overcoming the Boltons and allied/with Jon, etc... the show moved a lot of pieces around. They either had to have guidance they could fix it when the time came OR they just said "ok from now on we are going to do whatever WE THINK would happen". And that doesn't make sense either because I do not believe the show writers could - out of thin air - create a really dynamic ending to the story without knowing even bare bones of specific plot lines.
  6. How Will The Dragons Know?

    that was improper
  7. Rhaegar and Lyanna weren't in love

    no
  8. How Will The Dragons Know?

    I am now worried my belief must be suspended in that screen-time was spent "proving" Tyrion is Dragon #3 because he went into the crypt to unchain them and they purred, yet Quentyn (Dorne have wed with Targaryens for centuries yet no similar boast for Lannisters) and Quentyn was burnt up. As long as the Hollywood Sign lives, so does suspended disbelief. sidenote: the movie "2012" (2012) has just ceased to exist because it portrays the Hollywood Sign blown away by tornadoes.
  9. Hello friends, I was on youtube and found Song of Ice and Fire: Complete History and Lore it's a semi-animated story narrated by the characters from the show. But goes back very far into the children and Andals and the beginnings of Westeros. Anyone know of similar things on youtube or otherwise? I'm looking for things that tell intricate details of the story in a less bland but still interesting way than World of Ice and Fire. Also, what even is the thing I found? Does it come from a video game? Thanks if anyone knows
  10. Who Will Be The New Sadistic Tormentor?

    she is playing that role now and will moving forward. can it last forever? After her, will it be a surprise? I can see Littlefinger - in frustration - going over the cliff when all his plans start falling apart. And since I cannot see Eurine lasting that long in the show, he will not be able to assume that title. I swear if they waste time with him JUST because they want to tie up Yashara and Theone, there are real-world witches gathering in forests to throw massive hex at BB
  11. Who Will Be The New Sadistic Tormentor?

    autocorrected by my own hand. IF 1 of the 9 sons of Quellan Greyjoy can extinguish and entire hearth with only his cock (Aeron), and the show has extinguished Victarion (the ACTUAL heir to Balon if excluding Yashara), then it's fair to allude that Iron and Salt power to the only son of Quellan the show has chosen to focus on: Eurine. You're right about the Old Kraken and his Watery Halls but he can still be pissed on while alive. Sadly tho, when a fetish is probably natural manner of bonding at the King Moot, it's hard to want to punish him with that fetish. That is akin to flaying Ramsay while living. For now I'll piss on Elaria instead for her complete irrelevance to the story at large. Speaking of, Prince Doran is dead, so who is in charge? What a headache. Assuming Dorne recognizes females AND bastard paramours, would it be Obara or Elaria? Obara is the successor's (Oberyn's) first born. Elaria being a paramour (= nothing legally?) is in charge, but why? The scene with Queen of Thorns basically ham-fisting THAT explanation to the audience was quite an embarrassment.
  12. How Will The Dragons Know?

    From this point forward, I need to understand how the dragons will know whom to attack and whom to leave alone. Before anyone says Dany has special magic or spells over them to direct who they attack, we have never seen any evidence of that. We have seen a logical explanation, though, from Eurine Greyjoy that his Horn of Hell can "bind dragons to my will". But, I still don't get how Eurine gets the power to control the dragon when others are blowing the Horn. Dragon's can't read ship banners nor banners on the ground........ I have only ever seen the command "Dracarys" used by Dany. If it's one on one, MAYBE I could accept if Dany gets Drogon to attack a certain group of ships, the other dragons will follow. But what happens when they kill all the enemies and then start burning her own fleet/people? Or if there are multiple people involved. I never am one for demanding over-explained stuff, but a hint must at least be addressed.
  13. Who Will Be The New Sadistic Tormentor?

    definitely it will be Eurine. And when he dies, maybe the overall carnage of wars breaking out will be enough to satisfy viewer blood lust. How come we count blame the dragons? They have had some of the most gore-filled screen-time in the entire show. The scene at Astapor had fire, half-consumed burnt corpses, AND the Unsullied were killing the masters. The killing of the one main guy who wanted Drogon for himself, that was almost enough by itself.
  14. Who Will Be The New Sadistic Tormentor?

    i know it is ridiculous for a tv show to just randomly kill characters but they should just go there with Dorne and the Iron Islands since those plots have no future. Whatever happens, it will be amalgams of alliances versus amalgams of alliances so people can die quickly and it won't be that big of a deal. The test group had it right. The minute I saw Eurine on the bridge with Balon, I saw where that whole story was going to become and I threw up a little in my mouth. Plus, Elaria sand and her serpents have no interest for me. In the beginning of the show when they do the "round the world" video game sequence of locations, and they put that serpent on the tower of sunspear, that was an abomination. Lastly, when Cercei received the package with Myrcella's necklace in what? A BOX WITH A SERPENT HEAD AND THE NECKLACE IN ITS JAWS. Better, I think, to kill it quickly than to overkill it for a long time.