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  1. Posthumous accounts. Oral records. Runes. Weirwood memory.
  2. Beric was leading the counter-raid against the Mountain in Ned's stead and sort of let Arya go, so he sees himself having sort of enabled the whole chain of events. He was loyal to Ned, even if not officially
  3. Huh... I wonder if Dany's dream is a prelude to Mel's vision: King's Landing is downstream of the Trident, sitting along the Blackwater Rush. Blackwater... dark tide...
  4. Well rightful =\= factual, therefore Jon Snow. The concept of legality is at best an abstraction in feudal "politics". In that paradigm, this is all essentially private litigation.
  5. Why bother lying? If he doesn't want to reveal something he doesn't have to answer the question. As for bringing down a tower... having done dry masonry myself, it's not that hard to destabilize a structure. You only need to remove a few key pieces to compromise the whole thing. Digging out from under a cornerstone or shattering one could be enough to make the whole thing topple.
  6. Is he referring to Aegon? He's with Aegon and Elia, but the conversation is entirely in pronouns. And I don't know how Aegon would be the "Song of Ice and Fire". Given Aeg's age, that conversation had to have taken place sometime near or after Harrenhal and Lyanna's "abduction" - is it possible Elia knew what Rhaegar was up to with Lyanna?
  7. The prevalence of these Trident scenes points to something pretty significant, else it wouldn't come up in multiple POVs across several books. I'd happily contribute to such a thread, as I've thought for a long time that we are being shown something very important about both the past and future of the story.
  8. @Widow's Watch I do agree the role of prophecy is fuzzy. I get the distinct impression from his parting words to Jaime that he expected to return safe, so I'd guess that he believed his death was fated for some other occasion. Whatever he learned in his reading apparently convinced him to become a warrior rather than a more maesterly prince, so I'm guessing he thought there was a great foe he had to defeat by hand. We do have Dany's vision of a battle on the Trident, so it's not too far fetched to think Rhaegar saw something similar. Maybe some vision of a dragon dying on the Trident? And being the TRIdent, I'd wager something is going to happen three times. The scene is symbolically replayed several times in important POVs, so it must have some connection to the upcoming story.
  9. I agree it's a little silly to judge the character strongly when we know so little. When it comes to precipitating the events of the Rebellion, it's especially blurry. Rhaegar is at the center of it, but we haven no idea what his exact motives or plan were. I do think that we're supposed to see the War of the 5 Kings as an echo of the Rebellion, so I'm sure there's some parallel in the present story. Given how often Ned thinks of Rhaegar and their shared "fatherhood" of Jon, I think there's some thematic parallels. And so if we look at Ned's central role in starting the Wo5K, he certainly wasn't too worried about the likelihood of war. Ned could "see it clearly" how everything would favor his plan to vanquish the Lannisters. So I'm inclined to believe that Rhaegar was equally convinced of the ease with which his plans would unfold, and especially with his prophecy obsession, he probably thought all the pieces were falling into place. I'd guess that his death was a prophetic fulfillment, though he must have thought he was outrunning his fate or believed he knew when he was going die (like Jojen, except wrong).
  10. She has a faith/delusion in her own greatness and is moving to gain power for herself. She already thinks it's Tyrion, who she perceives as envious of her.
  11. I agree I wouldn't want the poison coming up again in a main plot. In this case I think the Valonqar name is a type of thing that connotes treachery and betrayal. It's like a trickster trope who Cersei expects to punish her for her excess or rub salt in her wounds.
  12. There's like a 14 year gap between Jamie/Cersei and Tyrion, which makes it look like an unplanned pregnancy, and that goes along well with the AJT theory. Joanna and Tywin were either actively avoiding another child or unable to have one. I would think that he'd want to remarry and get a backup heir as soon as Jaime was named to the KG, but he decided to hold onto the hand he was dealt. It was easily within his power to fix that... unless he was unable. Tywin needed someone to inherit Casterly rock. It would have been foolhardy to count on Jaime, and he'd already ruled out Cersei and Tyrion, so I have to think he'd have had another son if he could. And he could have appointed anyone to be lord until the child came of age.
  13. If A+J = T, then I bet Tywin is infertile. If A+J=/=T, then maybe he was afraid of having another child like Tyrion or worse. It seems like women get pregnant awfully quickly on Planetos, so it's odd that a couple wouldn't keep having kids if they needed to produce an heir. Or It could simply be that Tywin believed he had the power to withdraw Jaime from the Kingsguard without any serious consequence.
  14. Could Valonqar be the proper name of The Strangler poison that kills Cressen and Joffrey? I'm not sure how "little brother" could possibly become a nickname for strangler, unless it's a reference to a historical little brother who strangled someone. Blood Betrayal reference maybe? The poison itself is from Jade Sea, in the proximity of the old Great Empire, where a brother killed his empress sister. The poison is also formed into the "black amethysts" by combining it with ashes. So, choking ashes. If we want to connect this drowned and choked thing to big picture, we can consider the ashes of the moon disaster as the choking agent. The fiery space junk drowned in the oceans, but sent up clouds of ash. And I guess we could think of a moon as a planet's "little brother". Looking at the sword being reached for as a Lightbringer symbol, then I think this archetypal duel represents the breaking of the seasons and the life/death cycle. Winter and death are winning, as the "summer king" archetype can't reach the sword that slays the dark winter. And you know what I just realized? If the opening scene demonstrates summer being choked out by wighty winter... then it's pretty significant that the first thing Jon Snow ever kills is a wight, using fire. edit: I guess none of this really pins down what exactly "valonqar" will come to mean in the upcoming story, but very interesting discussion nonetheless.
  15. Yeah I really don't think we're being misled about Rhaegar's character. Robert and Brandon might be the only two people who have a personal problem with Rhaegar, while everyone else's memories are neutral to positive. Even Jaime looked up to Rhaegar and feels remorse for letting down his prince and fellow Kingsguard - but not for killing Aerys. Barristan regards Rhaegar very highly, but not Aerys. JonCon seems very honorable and has strong affection for Rhaegar, to say the least. Ned has no negative thoughts about him, which you'd think he would if he'd actually done terrible things to Lyanna. Dreams of any kind are a very common literary device, usually meant to tell the reader something about the inner state of the character having the dream. Often dreams relate something that the dreamer is afraid to confront straightforwardly waking. And this is literature, so the choice to show this is in a dream is intentional and meaningful. Why would this scene even exist if it weren't significant in some way? Ned experiences this memory in a dream because it's deeply uncomfortable for him, not because it's some hallucination. Jaime's weirwood stump dream is another example of uncomfortable truth coming to surface, and in his case, catalyzing his redemption.