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  1. It's possible I'm just a terrible person, but this made me laugh, like, a lot.
  2. I don't think it would matter. Pycelle wouldn't have done anything without Tywin's approval, and nobody thought Joffrey's plans for Robb's head were remotely okay.
  3. I can't decide whether I would rather be in Cersei's POV for that reveal, or someone else witnessing Cersei's reaction... Either way, pure unadulterated gold. I so hope it's Bob's head.
  4. Tywin was in charge at the time Robb's head became available, and showed zero interest in approving that particular demand (which was made to Pycelle, who doesn't do diddly without Tywin's say-so), and then that conversation ended when Tywin sent Joffrey to bed, against his wishes, with Pycelle jumping to provide the dreamwine. I don't think Robb's head ever made it out of the Twins. However, I love @LynnS's idea about Robert's head. That would be so very, very chilling.
  5. It could also suggest the outcome of a future reunion with his beloved Cat...
  6. This seems to be the in-universe understanding. Tywin was consciously involved in the Red Wedding, even if he didn't participate directly, and not a bit concerned that the gods would consider him at fault. [Tyrion:] "So much for guest right." [Tywin] "The blood is on Walder Frey's hands, not mine." [Tyrion:] "Walder Frey is a peevish old man who lives to fondle his young wife and brood over all the slights he's suffered. I have no doubt he hatched this ugly chicken, but he would never have dared such a thing without a promise of protection." (SoS, Tyrion VI)
  7. I don't know if it's that they don't want her to become no one or just that they (rightly) don't expect she ever will, but certainly you could be onto something. In particular, the reverse psychology is just about the only thing that makes any sense of the Kindly Man's suggestions as alternatives to staying at the HoBaW--a courtesan-in-training, a wife of whatever she would consider a good husband, a ride back to Westeros. I think the conversation he had had with her up to that point would have made it clear to him that she would dismiss any of those options and choose to stick around for the meanwhile.
  8. I agree here. It got the impression that she doesn't get any real secrets until after she "drinks from the cold cup" and takes vows--and also that they don't let you do that until they are satisfied that you really are no one, so nothing at this point preventing an amicable breakup. So far everything she knows is probably pretty common knowledge, especially among the Braavosi--but everyone even in Westeros knows they are the best assassins in the business (otherwise they wouldn't get much business). They have given her intensive language training, and they are training her to blend into communities and pay attention to what's around her to learn (it strikes me that the FM are actually in the business of constant information gathering--which makes sense; if someone comes to them with a prayer, they may already know a great deal about the intended--they may even be doing some forecasting about possible future prayers, who knows), and more than anything else, it seems like they are sharpening the skills she already has, but not with anything particularly classified. I think, as part of her constant "three new things" assignment, she is probably starting to provide them with more privileged information than they are giving her. I do not doubt there is some connection between the Iron Bank an the Faceless Men, but I really don't think it extends to the FM permitting (or offering) their own novices or acolytes to be held as collateral against a loan. The impression I had from Jon's thought was that they would be in debt to the IB just about forever, which would probably suit the IB just fine; I don't think he was expecting the NW to default. Of course, if he is out of the picture, and the NW takes the loan but blows off the debt, I would guess the IB would do what they do, and support a new mutiny on the Wall in favor of an LC who will make payments.
  9. Oh gods, yes. Totally a matter of personal taste. The main thing is that they are both jerks who don't seem to consider that the Duty part of their words extends to the very people who depend on them for protection when it actually counts. Only Edmure gets that right.
  10. (although I do think Hoster was a bigger jerk than the Blackfish).
  11. This--because it would have been wasted on them. Robert used a warhammer exclusively (and if he'd had a VS sword, there would have been no particular reason to reforge Ice into two; Joffrey would have inherited Bob's). Stannis has (f)Lightbringer, which would probably be less impressive if he also had the family VS. And since Brienne took Renly's sword after he was shadowbabied, which was subsequently stolen by the Brave Companions, Oathkeeper would not be as big a deal, either--plus I think Renly's sword was supposed to matter just because it was Renly's, not because it was Valyrian steel. So no VS for House Baratheon. Also, as @Shouldve Taken The Black and @ChuckPunch said, the house has only been around since the conquest, and its founder was rumored to be a Targ bastard. The Durrandons would have had to have the sword already, but the current crop of Baratheons just doesn't need one.
  12. I do not believe this theory, nor do I endorse anything between asterisks below, but, without having firsthand knowledge of the theory in question, perhaps the PJ logic is something along the lines of: Bloodraven went to the Wall and served there for nearly twenty years (13 as LC), from 233-252. Craster is possibly between 60 and 70 at the time we meet him, and he's said to have been fathered by a crow on a wildling woman, who tried to give him to the Watch and was chased off. Bloodraven comes from a family with a little tradition of incest. Craster marries all his daughters and has more daughters and marries them, too. Bloodraven is plugged into a tree beyond the wall, *where he surely has some creepy connection to the Others (and is generally controlling everything and everyone in the story anyway)* Craster has some creepy understanding with the Others along the lines of he donates his sons and they leave the rest of his family alone. *Therefore Bloodraven went out ranging one day and ran into a wildling babymomma-to-be who looked just like Shiera Seastar in the right light, and Craster was the result, because obviously Craster is a bastard Targaryen's bastard Targaryen and he's aligned with the Walkers because the black brothers refused to accept him.* To clarify, I am totally making this up, not suggesting it as likely.
  13. That is all based on the assumption that Varys is a Blackfyre. This is not established. As for Varys owning Aegon, I think it's pretty well established that Aegon would disagree with that notion. Even if everything above is accurate and he does owe everything to Varys (which he does, although I don't think we agree on the nature of that debt), it does not necessarily follow that Aegon will consider himself obligated to permit Varys to rule through him. Aegon believes he is a prince. His right to rule, as far as he is concerned, derives from his descent from Aerys through Rhaegar, and if he requires a lot of assistance to make his claim, well, that is exactly what loyal subjects are supposed to provide. He will surely reward them--but as he sees fit, not as they do--and if Varys were to actually threaten to relieve him of the support of the Golden Company unless he's made Hand (which is frankly not a position I could ever see Varys taking in the first place), I think we'll be seeing a head, and probably a hand, too, less of Varys, and the GC won't blink an eye. Honestly I don't even see Varys wanting to be made Hand. In the Spotlight is not his milieu. But whatever Varys wants or deserves or demands does not determine what Aegon will give him once his backside is in the pointy chair. He is not the boss of Aegon--and I think what we are seeing from Aegon is the realization that NO ONE is the boss of Aegon, and after Connington goes, he's going to be good and sure he gets a Hand who understands that (or who is able to convince him that they do). I'd keep an eye on Arianne.
  14. These are reasons for Illyrio to suggest Varys as Hand, yes, but they are not reasons for Aegon to make that choice. Varys has been serving the Iron Throne since Aerys was king; he would not have had a lot of opportunity to visit Pentos. I see no evidence that he has had any direct contact with "Aegon" since the baby swap, and "Aegon" was not of an age to really have much of a personal relationship with him at that point. I don't agree that (f)Aegon knows he is a Blackfyre (and we don't actually know that he is a Blackfyre). I think it's pretty clear that Aegon absolutely believes he is Rhaegar's son. But even if he is, which isn't established, and Varys is, which isn't established either, that doesn't mean he's going to make him Hand. Nor is it established that he actually will follow through with making Illyrio Master of Coin. It seems to me that fAegon is already showing signs of giving positions to people he favors for reasons that have not much to do with their skill set, and he'd give Hand to someone he trusts, not someone he is told he should trust (although Illyrio is probably the only person in the world who would ever tell him to trust Varys--and no one else really trusts Illyrio).
  15. I think the whole point of (f)Aegon (and, for that matter, a certain other character who may or may not be a legitimate or not son of Rhaegar), though is to demonstrate that a.) what people believe is what matters, and b.) that people can accept a fake and that said fake might turn out to be perfectly suited to rule is to demonstrate that birthright is a really dumb way to determine government. tl;dr: If Aegon is the real thing, there isn't much to make of that except one more rival for Dany whose claim is arguably better. Varys isn't invested in him because he's the real thing; his point is that Aegon has been raised to understand that his duty to his people is more important than his right to rule (although I think what Team VI actually proved was that if you raise someone to expect the throne because he or she is the rightful heir (whether or not this is actually true), then it doesn't matter whether you train them in chivalry and prerogative or responsibility and hardship, you're going to end up with an entitled little shit who only takes the advice he likes). And that makes me doubt Aegon is a dragon of any color. Varys shouldn't need to be, either, but, I don't know, there has to be SOMETHING that got him so invested in the Iron Throne and the fate of the people of the Seven Kingdoms. Blackfyre ties would account for it, I suppose. I can't help thinking, though, that his goal isn't to put a Blackfyre on the throne, so much as someone who is worthy of it for better reasons than that he is the eldest male in the direct line of the last guy to sit there.