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  1. Oh, I always thought so, as well--to the point that I seriously only just noticed that it isn't the literal text--and I still expect it will turn out that way (i.e., Cersei dies after all three children--I won't even venture to guess the identity of the valonquar), but it's a bit intriguing that it ain't necessarily so (though I am perfectly willing to bet the farm I don't have that whatever else is meant, Tommen will not, alas, make it to puberty). And of course, as possibilities go, < speculation! > Myrcella dies, Tommen dies, Cersei (who has lost her last opportunity to rule through her children) in her desperation gets Qyburn to Robert Strong him, unTommen goes awry (or maybe aright, considering how utterling f'ing horrid she's been to him since he became king) and chokes her to death... < /speculation! > I wouldn't ask for my money back if it worked out like that. As for her grief, though, I genuinely don't think those would be maternal tears mourning the loss of children; with Cersei, it would be the loss of even the slightest pretense of a claim to rule through them.
  2. Wait, hang on. Maggy doesn't ever actually say that her three golden-crowned, golden-shrouded children will predecease her. I never actually noticed that before, but, really, Maggy never tells Cersei she is going to see all three of her offspring in those shrouds herself. She just says they will all have gold crowns and gold shrouds. The only thing she explicitly provides in order are that 1. Cersei's tears will drown her, and 2. the valonquar will choke the life from her. So it could be Tommen. Interesting thought. N.B.: I agree with the many here who expect Cersei will cause his death by trying to prevent it.
  3. Not sure she counts. She was basically a slave that Viserys used for sex when he felt like it. A paramour can say no. Also: Viserys wasn't married, so not really a side-thing.
  4. I think this is actually a really interesting question, and not necessarily unlikely. Aerys himself and his sister could have had eggs, too. I may be wrong, but I don't think it's ever mentioned what became of all the unhatched eggs--Egg's own, for example. As there have been no dragon sightings in Westeros in a hundred and a half years, we have a pretty good idea that none of them ever hatched, or at least haven't yet (unless it should turn out that Dany's eggs were actually some of the old ones from before the Dance, and not from Asshai after all, although there is no particular evidence to suggest this is the case), so what happened to them? Were they interred with the ashes of the Targaryens they had been assigned to? Were they stored for reuse? Thrown into the sea after their sell-by date? Given that the later generations of dragons were increasingly stunted and unable to thrive when they did hatch at all, I'm not sure how viable the more recent eggs would have been in any case, but the pre-Dance eggs that Egg mentions, apparently were no longer at Dragonstone. I think Stannis would have been more likely to try to hatch them, but I don't think there is any indication that he did find any. Maybe Aegon V had collected all the known unhatched eggs at Summerhall, in which case, they were probably buried in the wreckage, but that doesn't preclude Rhaegar trying to find them in his many visits there, and if he did, he might have tried putting them in the crib with his children, particularly Aegon; if he thought the little guy was the PtwP, he might have believed the eggs would finally start hatching again.
  5. Agreed. Granted, I wouldn't want to have to wait any longer for WoW so the George can write histories of...anything else, and it seems he's had all the Targ stuff basically written since the World Book was in preparation. So I think probably it's more about giving us stuff that's more or less ready to go--although I can imagine that a similar volume of material about the Starks or, say, the Daynes probably would venture too close to spoiler territory (e.g., the history behind "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell" would have to give something away; same for the story behind Dawn and the earned title Sword of the Morning). But mendicants can't be choosicants. I'll take F&Bv.I gladly enough when it's out and hope to goodness that WoW isn't far behind.
  6. It's interesting that the Others apparently accept sheep and dogs in the absence of sons: Craster pretty clearly considers that he is making sacrifices to gods basically as payment for leaving him and his wives/daughters/daughter-wives alone. The Others seem to agree. And maybe Craster really is just sacrificing to his gods, who seem sort of like Old Testament Old Gods, for protection from the Others, rather than actually giving his sons directly to the Others for recruitment or as a necessary component of whatever alchemy they use to animate themselves and/or the dead. The whole only-death-pays-for-life thing kind of baffles me. As the Kindly Man noted, no one lives forever, so really every life is paid for with death anyway. Valar morghulis.
  7. This was specifically addressing why Ned wouldn't have told Cat if Jon were Rhaegar and Lyanna's. If that were true, and Ned were to have told her, it wouldn't be an issue of hating Jon because he is Ned's son by another woman, because she would know that he isn't. But I disagree that her concerns about legitimizing him are just because she hates him, and consider the lengths she does go to--while pretty much disregarding the consequences--for her family. This is the woman who released Jaime Lannister, the most important hostage the King her son had, on the fairly slim hope that it would get her daughters back. If she were to have been told that Jon was actually Rhaegar's son, it would not have been out of character for her to panic at the thought of what Robert would do if he ever found out, and begged Ned to get rid of him. And if she knew and Ned left her alone for a minute, she might very well have taken it upon herself. Maybe she wouldn't actually turn him over to Robert, but she might have if it seemed like the best way to mitigate the potential disaster of him finding out some other way. Her thought would have been to avoid the king's wrath. If she were thinking clearly, she could have explained that Ned saved Jon for his sister's sake or something, who knows, but thinking clearly when confronted with situations that put her children at risk is not really her style, and her reactions have tended to put them even further at risk. She let everything go when Bran was in a coma. She left Bran and Rickon and Robb to fend for themselves to make sure that Ned knew about the catspaw and the dagger. She left Bran and Rickon alone altogether to stay with Robb. And she released Jaime F'ing Lannister to try to ransom Sansa and Arya. I do not think she would have been relieved to learn that Jon was actually the son of the man Robert hated most in the world. I don't believe she would have felt any warmer towards Jon, just less personally insulted. And maybe not even that, because she probably would have still resented Ned for putting his own children at risk for a promise made to his dead sister. And I don't think she would have been all that rational about pre-empting the potential danger to her own children from letting him grow up with them. But I do think that it's a ferocious protectiveness of her own that motivates her, even if she is erratic about it, and that is also at the heart of why she resents Jon as Ned's bastard who looks more like him than his trueborn children.
  8. Wylla Manderly with her green hair and loyalty. Also: totally agree with many of the abovementioned, especially Dacey Mormont, Maester Luwin, Dolorous Edd, and Meera Reed.
  9. I don't think Rhaella's crown is coming back, and if it does, it would signal a step down for Daenerys. Rhaella wasn't regnant, she was Queen Consort; her crown doesn't symbolize sovereignty so much as adorn the royal brood mare. If Dany takes the Iron Throne and the crown she got from the Tourmaline Brotherhood won't do, she'd probably be looking for one of the several crowns worn by various Targaryan kings.
  10. If RLJ, then telling Cat would not necessarily have improved anything. Cat's first priority was the well-being of her family. Knowing how much Robert hated Targaryans, particularly Rhaegar, knowing what havoc the Blackfyres caused the Targaryans (they are, after all, one of her internal arguments against legitimizing Jon), and knowing that Jon was Rhaegar's son, she would have doubled down on her pressure to get Jon away from Winterfell, and probably even urged Ned to just hand Jon over to Robert, because she would be frantic at the idea that Robert would consider raising Jon to be treason, as has been mentioned above, and come after the whole family. It would not matter to her if no one else knew; she was not often rational when considering potential threats to her offspring, and also she tended to be convinced that nobody understood these things like she did (witness her frantic need to convince Ned that he could not refuse Robert's offer to make him Hand and betroth Joffrey to Sansa). As later events with Jaime turned out, though Ned would never know it, Cat would have been pretty darn likely to wrap Jon in a bow and send him to Robert with her compliments within minutes of learning who he really was. I've always been a bit baffled that Ned didn't know perfectly well that if it ever came to Jon's life or her own children, Cat wouldn't hesitate to cut Jon's throat herself.
  11. Some of Stannis' creepier men think Balon counts as a king where blood is concerned (in this case, they are referring to Asha, but if she's got king's blood, so does Theon). For purposes of infusing blood with magic kingness, apparently all that's really required is that you crown yourself; in so doing, even your pre-existing offspring retroactively inherit. That was the moment Justin Massey chose to appear. "The king has other plans for his prize captive," he said, with his easy smile. His cheeks were red from the cold. "The king? Or you?" Suggs snorted his contempt. "Scheme all you like, Massey. She'll still be for the fire, her and her king's blood. There's power in king's blood, the red woman used to say. Power to please our lord." "Let R'hllor be content with the four we just sent him." DwD - Asha 3/The Sacrifice
  12. I really doubt Barristan would have gone in there with a troupe of Lannister soldiers and claimed Ned sent him, thereby immediately tripping Syrio’s bullshitometer and instigating a confrontation. If Barristan even got on board with taking Arya hostage as part of Cersei’s Stark purge—and I find that kind of doubtful—he would have gone in by himself and said the queen wanted her. Trant was a vile dude. He doesn’t get a pass for “just following orders” because there is absolutely no indication he has any problems with them. Selmy is not really an apt comparison because Selmy actually has a conscience.
  13. Some options: -Ignored Joffrey (as Sandor did the one time he was ordered to beat Sansa) -Gone to Cersei, or more likely Tyrion, either of whom, as Regent and acting Hand, technically have more authority than a king in his minority, and neither of whom would have approved of beating Sansa (Tyrion did put a stop to it, and while Cersei let it go on, it only happened when she was not present) -Not only refused, but also ordered all the KG to refuse, too. He was, after all, the Lord Commander.
  14. This. There are some really inexplicable placements and non-placements.
  15. I'm a little late to this party, sorry! I agree with what you said upthread about the treasons being real gamechangers, and I think, in that light, MMD and Jorah are just red herrings; that Danaerys believes that two of the three treasons are already accounted for are going to make whatever is in store that much more devastating. But what really makes me doubt either of them are among the three treasons is that while they certainly both betrayed Dany's trust, neither Mirri nor Jorah were exactly sworn to her when they did it. Mirri offered to help with Drogo (and technically it's his own fault her ministrations didn't work, since he didn't follow her prescribed aftercare), and then agreed (after Dany insisted) to bring him back--and even then she warned Dany that it was a terrible idea and blood would pay for blood--she may have implied that since the Khaleesi had saved her from (further) rape, she was content to serve the Khal that had just destroyed her village, and she may have deliberately misled Dany into believing the horse would provide the blood, but I don't believe she ever actually promised any kind of loyalty. Mirri just never stopped being a Lhazarene--she was a POW, and from her perspective, she was protecting the world from the Stallion Who Would Have Mounted It. That's not so much Mirri's treason as Dany's misplaced trust (which I always kind of thought was why Dany was so vicious in her revenge for it). And Jorah was actually in service to Varys in the first place. He was a covert agent who infiltrated Viserys and Dany's camp with the intention of providing information to the spider. His real treason was against Joffrey (I think Joff was king by then) when he became loyal (at least, what he called loyal) to Daenerys and finally did stop reporting to Varys. So I don't think those two actually count.