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  1. It's not Alys Karstark, either

    I'm cool with that girl being Alys Karstark. However, allow me put another log on the fire: What if this grey girl is not Arya, Alys or Lyanna, but some other girl actually coming from beyond-the-wall to Castle Black? I mean a wildling girl riding south, to Castle Black. And the those deep blue still endless waters "with a thin coat of ice just forming on it" are some lake north of the wall (although the really large lakes beyond-the-wall shown in the map are too far away). Or worse: she's fleeing Hardhome tragedy and that lake is, actually, the Shivering Sea freezed by the Others supernatural cold.
  2. The Others: Why now?

    @300 H&H Mag 10. The decay of greensight: Bloodraven, known by the CoTF as the last greenseer, is doing all he can to keep the others away (turning trees into warriors, sending beasts to fight, conjuring hammer-of-the-waters-like spells) but "there's too much to watch" and he can't help his own body from going into the trees. He greensees potential in a future Bran Stark and watchs him since he was born and visits his very first dream in order to summon him as soon as possible. However, now that "little strength remains in" Bloodraven's flesh, the Others grow stronger, but Bran still is a little boy. To make it worse, Bran becomes cripple due to a fall. Bloodraven fears for the worst and so contact Bran and the Reeds. Unfortunately, when Bran finally arrives at the cave "the hour is late". Bloodraven's watch is ending. Bran III, aDwD "Most of him has gone into the tree," explained the singer Meera called Leaf. "He has lived beyond his mortal span, and yet he lingers. For us, for you, for the realms of men. Only a little strength remains in his flesh. He has a thousand eyes and one, but there is much to watch. One day you will know."
  3. Glass Gardens in Winterfell

    It seems to me that the summers would also have a period of some darkness if the planet had a regular earth-like axis and orbit. Am I wrong? A winter with complete darkness would depend on the angle of the tilt of the planet's axis toward the southern tropics, do not you think? Less accentuated tilts would bring darkness to only a few regions. According to Wikipedia, the Astronomical Polar Night (the most pronounced darkness caused by the tilt of the planet's axis - when the center of the Sun is no more than 18° below the horizon) "is limited to latitudes above 84°34', which is exactly 18° within the polar circle, or five and a half degrees from the pole". But that sound too complicated to be the correct answer though since GGRM said that the explanation for the seasons is going to be "a fantasy (as opposed to a science fiction/science based) answer". The problem I see is that this would be the first winter of Jon Snow's life and Old Nan is just telling a story from very ancient times, much like our "Great Flood" myths. They know nothing (especially Jon). Maybe that's the difference between regular Westeros' winters and the Long Night: no sun and no food.
  4. Glass Gardens in Winterfell

    I would like to agree with you that Winterfell is too far south of a hypothetical artic circle but IMHO the climatology of ASOIAF's world doesn't give much room for such conclusions. Jon VII, aDwD They rode the winch lift back to the ground. The wind was gusting, cold as the breath of the ice dragon in the tales Old Nan had told when Jon was a boy. The heavy cage was swaying. From time to time it scraped against the Wall, starting small crystalline showers of ice that sparkled in the sunlight as they fell, like shards of broken glass. Glass, Jon mused, might be of use here. Castle Black needs its own glass gardens, like the ones at Winterfell. We could grow vegetables even in the deep of winter. The best glass came from Myr, but a good clear pane was worth its weight in spice, and green and yellow glass would not work as well. What we need is gold. With enough coin, we could buy 'prentice glassblowers and glaziers in Myr, bring them north, offer them their freedom for teaching their art to some of our recruits. That would be the way to go about it. If we had the gold. Which we do not. I read something on the internet that said it could but a huge and bright fire would be needed. Not sure if it's accurate, though. Well, the question here is not to ask if it worked but how efficiently. It is now destroyed but we have reasons to believe that it isn't the only greenhouse in the North.
  5. Glass Gardens in Winterfell

    @Winds of Winter blow cold Oh, plant phototropism. I'll dig in to that. Thank you.
  6. Glass Gardens in Winterfell

    What would happen if winters in the North are dark like in the polar circles (polar night)? We know that the "Long Night" is how they call the longest winter ever but that doesn't mean that shorter winters are sunny. It seems more likely. The closest description we have: aDwD - The Prince of Winterfell It was warmer in the godswood, strange to say. Beyond its confines, a hard white frost gripped Winterfell. The paths were treacherous with black ice, and hoarfrost sparkled in the moonlight on the broken panes of the Glass Gardens. Drifts of dirty snow had piled up against the walls, filling every nook and corner. Some were so high they hid the doors behind them. Under the snow lay grey ash and cinders, and here and there a blackened beam or a pile of bones adorned with scraps of skin and hair. Icicles long as lances hung from the battlements and fringed the towers like an old man's stiff white whiskers. But inside the godswood, the ground remained unfrozen, and steam rose off the hot pools, as warm as baby's breath. However, It's not clear if he's looking up or down. A guy on reddit said that "glass of any color would impact the growth of the plants, and if they still can grow, it would still affect their nutritional value". Is that so?
  7. Glass Gardens in Winterfell

    When Sansa and Petyr were building the snow castle at the Eyre I got the impression that only the roof of the greenhouse was made out of glass (althought she called the building "glass garden"). Petyr helped with the glass frame but she raised the walls. Sansa VII, aSoS "No. It was always warm, even when it snowed. Water from the hot springs is piped through the walls to warm them, and inside the glass gardens it was always like the hottest day of summer." She stood, towering over the great white castle. "I can't think how to do the glass roof over the gardens." Littlefinger stroked his chin, where his beard had been before Lysa had asked him to shave it off. "The glass was locked in frames, no? Twigs are your answer. Peel them and cross them and use bark to tie them together into frames. I'll show you." He moved through the garden, gathering up twigs and sticks and shaking the snow from them. When he had enough, he stepped over both walls with a single long stride and squatted on his heels in the middle of the yard. Sansa came closer to watch what he was doing. His hands were deft and sure, and before long he had a crisscrossing latticework of twigs, very like the one that roofed the glass gardens of Winterfell. "We will need to imagine the glass, to be sure," he said when he gave it to her. [...] She raised the walls of the glass gardens while Littlefinger roofed them over, and when they were done with that he helped her extend the walls and build the guardshall. [...]
  8. Glass Gardens in Winterfell

    According to an SSM, some of the great northern lords "try and maintain greenhouses", not only the Starks. A quick search on the wikipedia revealed that "In the 13th century, greenhouses were built in Italy to house the exotic plants that explorers brought back from the tropics". They were not common, but they existed. Thus, if this technology could be applied in a useful way somewhere in Westeros, it would certainly be in Winterfell because, as Catelyn pointed out (talking about Winterfell's hot springs, but mentioning the glass gardens aswell), "in winter, it was the difference between life and death". Obviously, the easiest answer is that this is a literary genre where anything goes.
  9. The Starks and the Children

    Assuming that the seasons in Westeros were affected by an event that occurred during the Long Night (a theory that still does not convince me), my very first thought was that the lack of reports about CoTF living and thriving in the North was somehow related to the climate change, and not to some forgotten conflicts between First Men and the Children. I mean, if historical records of the Age of Heroes emphasize the relationship between the Children and the First Men south of the Neck, one could argue that the Children would have left the North to escape the adversities that had arisen only there, as a result of the freak seasons, such as: (1) North became permanently cold, (2) winters became lethal, and (3) soil fertility was impaired. Since the Children did not farmed the land, worked with metal, wove cloths or raised up buildings or cities (instead, they hunted with weapons of weirwood and obsidian and flying snares of grass, made "garments of leaves and bark", resided In the woods – in shelters of leaves and with up in the branches of trees –, in crannogs, in bogs, marshes, caverns and hollow hills), long winters would have become extremely lethal to them and eventually their options narrowed to moving south or grouping themselves in the gargantuan complex of caves beyond-the-wall. See, the nothern great lords store food in the fall to mitigate the effects of winter and hold greenhouses to provide for their own castles. Simple people and some men of the mountain clans move to "Winter Town" of Winterfell when it begins to snow. And even with all this preparation and searching for shelter, many people starve and die. Given these circumstances, it would be difficult to imagine that creatures who do not practice agriculture, live from hunting and gathering, wear simple clothes and reside in simple shelters, built with branches and leaves or shaped by nature, can survive in this type of environment. It is worth noting that even the cave that Bloodraven is, which lies far below ground level, has to be kept warm with fires. In an SSM we see that GRRM once stated: "But the short answer is ... if the winter lasts too long, the food runs out ... and then people move south, or starve ...". The last consideration I have to make in support of this hypothesis is to refute that the sole existence of circles of weirwoods at Sea Dragon Point would indicate that Children may have thrived there after the long night or in a recent past. First, those are historic sites that may have been abandoned since before Long Night. Second, it has not yet been clarified whether these circles have or had any specific role for the Children (apart from being a place with several weirwood) or whether these sites signal the existence of a shelter or secret town nearby. And third, it's not clear if this place does even fulfill the winter survival conditions for the First Men (whose technology was more advanced than the one of the CoTF), because, as Tristifer told Asha, "the land is too wet for wheat or corn". However, this hypothesis has several flaws that I cannot fix. While in the cave beyond-the-wall, Bran claims that the children "had cheese and milk from the goats that shared the caves with the singers, even some oats and barleycorn and dried fruit laid out during the long summer". So we have a POV character saying that the CoTF would have grown crops and stocked grains, suggesting the existence of livelihoods for the winter similar to those kept by the First Men. This contradiction made me wonder if the knowledge disseminated by the Citadel about the Children is utterly wrong, or just outdated. Of course, there is no way to determine whether these grains were stolen or offered to them by humans or other creatures who live beyond-the-wall, or whether they were stolen from crops by the large flock of ravens serving Bloodraven. However, this statement is the verdict of a 9 years old boy who contradicts information contained in the books of the citadel, which does not help to bring some degree of certainty to the matter. Another flaw that may be pointed out is that the CoTF aided the construction of the Wall for an indefinite period, so someone would have noticed if they had any problem handling such low temperatures for a long period of time. In fact, the tales of the Long Night points to the opposite direction, since the Last Hero would have reportedly sought CoTF for years in the "dead lands" during the Long Night, which could lead somebody (especially those who believe that the CoTF have created the Others) to claim that they might have means to survive these conditions. In fact, even earlier, when the seasons were supposed to be regular, the Children should have means of surviving them. The previous can be said concerning a migration to the South, since they would have continued to face long winters, especially in the Valley, Riverlands and Neck. So there is no way to conclude that their garments and their shelters would be useless to the inclemencies of the long winters. As for the constant concern of the CoTF with the temperature of the cave where Bran is, it would be plausible to believe that they only keep it warm because of Bloodraven, Bran and the other humans. In addition, if it had really happened, surely the Night's Watch or the Southerners would have noticed the mass migration (to the North or South). As for the Sea Dragon Point, Asha's and Tristifer's complete dialogue really implies that this is not a fertile land, but leaves little doubt that a society based on hunting and fishing could survive there, even during the winter (as Asha intended to do): "You are clinging to Sea Dragon Point the way a drowning man clings to a bit of wreckage. What does Sea Dragon have that anyone could ever want? There are no mines, no gold, no silver, not even tin or iron. The land is too wet for wheat or corn." I do not plan on planting wheat or corn. "What's there? I'll tell you. Two long coastlines, a hundred hidden coves, otters in the lakes, salmon in the rivers, clams along the shore, colonies of seals offshore, tall pines for building ships." Finally, neither the faulty hypothesis nor its antithesis can explain why we see no signs of CoTF in the northern forests (like groves and hollows hills).
  10. Project: Featured Article

    I'm having trouble identifying which parameters are being used here to select entries to become featured articles, especially since I haven't seen many poorly written articles so far. Anyway, I think it would be a good idea to take into consideration the featured articles in AWOIAF app: Eddard Stark Highgarden Varys Jon Snow Roose Bolton Melisandre Storm's End Jorah Mormont Robert Baratheon Jaime Lannister Cersei Lannister Dragonstone Gregor Clegane Beric Dondarrion Winterfell Arya Stark Sansa Stark Not really a list of suggestions. More like a suggested list.
  11. I thought that what separates the Wall from the Bay of Ice is the Gorge, not mountains. The north map in the books seems to indicate that the Gorge forms a natural border between the north and the lands beyond the wall. In a SSM, GGRM states that it's impossible to circumvent the Wall to the West with an army, because "the mountains and a deep river gorge make the terrain impassable for all but small groups of raiders". Taking this into account, I deduced that: (a) the mountains lie north of the Gorge; (b ) the others would have to descend the Gorge or cross the bridge of skulls, in order to bypass the wall. On the other hand, it is worth noting that the wall was built after the long night, which means that the warding of the wall was never really tested against the others (we don't even hear stories about others trying to make it through the wall). Though Coldhands said that he cannot pass through himself, due to the "Wall's magic", since he was not an Other no one really knows if it would actually prevent them from passing.
  12. Small Questions v. 10105

    Probably with the main branch of House Hightower. Theon was the Iron Islands overlord's heir, and became a hostage to the North's overlord as a way to avoid Ironborn raids there. Then I think that a lesser lord like Baelor Blacktyde was suited to the Hightowers, who also happen to be lesser lords (despite their power and wealth) and are an usual target of the ironborn. But I suppose that there's something else: Hightowers are known for avoiding wars or challenging new rulers as long as Oldtown is kept intact. Another lesser Reach Lord could try to use this hostage as a way of social ascension. However, I'm just guessing here. By the way, as strange as it might be, I also considered about the possibility of "Oldtown" being a reference to the Order of the Maesters or the Faith, but both seemed instantly wrong. If on the one hand both of them does not seem to be able to keep anyone temporarily as a ward or hostage, on the other hand one would not speak of "Oldtown" but of "the Citadel" or "the Faith."
  13. King's Landing after DWD Epilogue

    I'm just guessing. Yet, I don't think a real motive would be needed. As Varys said, three shall be the suspects: Tyrells, Cersei and the Dornishmen. Since the Dornishmen haven't yet reached King's Landing and Cersei cannot be framed (as well as Trant and Blount), the Tyrells (and Tarly) are the ones that will need alibis or, ultimately, a scapegoat. Right now, Harys Swyft and Qyburn seems to be the last important Lannister loyalists there are left in King's Landing. While Swyft "is a weak man whom Cersei could use as a hostage against her uncle", Qyburn is disgraced former maester who rode with Vargo Hoat and that took "Varys's place in the small council, as well as the same honorary title of 'Lord ', to the disgust of Grand Maester Pycelle". Besides, after Cersei was arrested by the Faith, Pycelle and Swyft invited Kevan to assume the regency and dismissed Qyburn from the small council. Thus the Tyrells could claim that Qyburn either acted on Cersei's behalf against the people who deposed her or on his own against the people who dismissed him from the small council and withdrew his "Lord" title. Or they shall make some other similar silly allegation.
  14. King's Landing after DWD Epilogue

    Found this: aSoS, Jaime V: "[...] So His Grace commanded his alchemists to place caches of wildfire all over King's Landing. Beneath Baelor's Sept and the hovels of Flea Bottom, under stables and storehouses, at all seven gates, even in the cellars of the Red Keep itself."