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  1. What I meant: Since Raventree Hall is north of the Red Fork, if Lyanna really was at Blackwood castle or Blackwood lands within the 10 league radius from Harrenhal, it would be necessary to ride north on Kingsroad, cross the river and then go west. That's a way longer journey than it would be if she was at Harrenhal vicinities (I mean south of the river, the natural border). But it is still plausible. However, the simplest explanation must also be took in consideration. People on Westeros tend to think Lyanna was caught by surprise by Rhaegar, that she didn't know about his plan, but she might. They could even have arranged the date and place well in advance and only have been caught by a third party by accident. In that case, she was problaby riding to meet him. Let's say, 10 leagues east or south from Harrenhal, somewhere on the kingsroad. Please notice, I'm still spitballing.
  2. Maybe, but take a look at Raventree Hall and Stone Hedge. Rhaegar et al would have to travel a lot in order to cross those rivers. And since Brandon married Minisa Whent's daughter, wouldn't be unlikely for Rickard to ask if Lyanna could stay with Shella and Walter Whent after the tourney (Walter was rich, so an interesting ally). Just spitballing here.
  3. About Daenerys' birth, whereabout and name ("stormborn"). Not of any prophecy.
  4. He probably first knew about it from the people of Dragonstone when he sailed to take Rhaella and Viserys as prisioners after Robert's Rebellion. But, as far as ASOS he doesn't seem to know about Daenerys and her Dragons. When Selyse tells him he is an Aegon without dragons, he recalls all Targaryen attempts to bring the dragons back to life and doesn't adds Daenerys to the list. In ADWD, Davos overhears sailors talking about Daenerys in Qarth and doesn't link the dots, which tells us that Stannis has no clues of Daenerys' activities so far.
  5. @Lost Melnibonean Before. According to the wiki, KW Brotherhood was disbanded in 281 AC. Again, according to the wiki, Lysa was born between 266-268 AC. So, I imagine Lysa was 13-15.
  6. @The Wondering Wolf Thank you.
  7. Maggy the Frog's entry states her son is the founder of House Spicer. The article points AFFC's Cersei VIII as source, but I couldn't even find any mention of House Spicer in this chapter. By the way, I don't recall the book confirming this assumption at all (as likely as it seems).
  8. The wiki says it is from the app.
  9. Edit: removed.
  10. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that's the case. I agree people in Westeros (even the noble ones) are more into remembering ancient kings by their monikers, but that happens because numbering kings appears to be dull, a job for the maesters and the bookish. In fact, Yandel implies that in TWOIAF when he tell us the problem tha maesters face when examining the Durrandon's Durrans. So, it is not wrong to assume that this happens because there was no interest in numbering them by the one who wrote historical accounts. In addition, there are kings who have both been known by monikers as by their number, even among those mentioned in the list I wrote above: Erich VII Durrandon - Erich the Unready Erich III Durrandon - Erich the Sailmaker Tommen II Lannister - Lion King All the Aegons Etc
  11. You're probably right. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that what we don't have is kings with the same given name from different dinasties who sat the same chair or held the same titles? I ask because it seems to me that we do apparently have examples of Kings of different dynasties having the same given names: Theon Stark and Theon III Greyjoy Tommen I and II Lannister and Tommen Baratheon Erich III and VII Durrandon, Erich I Greyiron* and Erich V Harlaw* Joffrey Lynden/Lannister and Joffrey Baratheon *we could count the Ironborn high kings as having the "same titles", but their history do not sound accurate enough to me
  12. It wouldn't be a submission, but it would not be a peace alliance either. Dorne would only be at an advantage, a hostage ahead of the Iron Throne. They could have tried, but hostages don't garantee peace with Dorne, how the first Daeron found out when, even after he took dornish highborn hostages, his army died by the hands of Dorne's smallfolk, acting on their own behalf. This point is reinforced by Yandel's claim that "the disunity of the Dornish is apparent even from our oldest sources". I think Jon Arryn just wanted Dorne to shut up, and apparently Doran and Oberyn were glad to give him that in order to have time to set a greater ambush.
  13. @Shmedricko Thank you. This was awesome.
  14. After the Rebellion, I think Jon Arryn had to choose between Doran or Tywin. Doran had already lost 10,000 men in the Battle of the Trident while Tywin had fought an easy fight at King's Landing. Dorne has many historical enemies and their presence at court has always been a source of discontent. A marriage between Robert and a Dornish Lady would be such a farce that it's not worth commenting on. So Tywin was the best choice. On the other hand, a marriage with a member of the court would open Dorne a permanent door to the Red Keep, and all kinds of threats would have free access. I think Jon Arryn knew that any Dornish man or woman at court would be a potential assassin or spy, especially after Robert's marriage with Tywin's daughter. It reminded me of Sun Tzu: "To a surrounded enemy you must leave a way of escape. Do not press a desperate enemy too hard". Traditionally it is interpreted that Sun Tzu meant that a completely surrounded enemy fights until death. And in Dorne's case, no one in their right mind could expect less than that. Therefore, having an ambiguous relationship with Dorne seemed a better option than asking them to choose between submitting or rebelling.
  15. In this thread people were debating about Ashara's reasons for suicide and the possibilty of a baby swap with Elia came up. So, some believe that Aegon wasn't even Elia's. I myself even speculated (only for the sake of debate) that perhaps it was the revelation of Elia's baby identity that compelled Rhaegar to seek Lyanna in order to have a legitimate heir or to generate the real "prince that was promised" (thus supporting the Ashara's baby swap theory on the misteryous reasons that lead Rhaegar to kidnap Lyanna). As much as it is crackpot, the finding out of an heir's illegitimacy seems to be a stronger (and more realistic) justification for Rhaegar's delayed infidelity than a simple crush on Lyanna or an esoteric desire to generate the third head of the dragon. However, I must admit: it still doesn't fit into the larger picture.