Ckram

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  1. We have this on TWOW, Mercy's sample chapter: GRRM pretending to answer your question.
  2. @Alabastur Since you're looking for counterarguments: Regarding to your reasoning on how Melisandre felt and cried while giving birth to shadows and spying Bloodraven through the flames, correct me if I'm wrong but i guess it's safe to imagine that those magic powers are not exclusive of her. Other shadowbinders, sorcerers and/or R'hllor's priests should know them aswell. In this case, I wonder how can we be sure that those "spellcasters" wouldn't feel and cry exactly how Melisandre did if they performed those "spells" under the same circunstances (you know, opposing Bloodraven's powers, using King's seed)?
  3. I didn't want to join this thread, but I came across a passage in AGOT that I thought could be used to both consolidate and challenge Joffrey's responsibility: For those who don't dispute Joffrey's responsabilty: It might indicate that Robert's words were Joffrey's final authorization; Stretching a little further, this might show Joffrey had both genetic, social and psychological predispositions to have hired the catspaw; Cersei's speech were merely an opportunistic reverberation of Robert's words. For those who dispute Joffrey's responsabilty: Under this light, Robert giving Joffrey the ideia might look as a much bigger, much contradictory bullshit; If Cersei felt comfortable to say this in public, she might as well have had hired the catspaw or at least instigated and sponsored Joffrey to do so. It shows Myrcella and Tommen heard their mother and "father" declaim humanitarian arguments against Bran's life - Joffrey only heard Robert. knowing that Jaime heard what Cersei said above, with the kids around, and that he declared in private that he would kill he's own son if he was in Ned's situation, Jaime's epiphany in ASOS looks forced and out of character. Note: I like very much it was Joffrey. Despite the discrepancies, I was still quite amused to see that all the real friction between Lannisters and Starks began because of some extravagance of Joffrey.
  4. This is likely, but all we have about this is Yandel refering that the ancient records about the Iironborn we have were made by people they attacked, "written in the Old Tongue and the runes of the First Men" (TWOIAF - The Iron Islands). My interpretation on this is that there might be a written form of the Old Tongue, one that must not be confused with runes. That's contradictory. Even if Long Night caused civilization to lose its literacy, NK postdates Long Night. If we assume records were made about him, I don't see how it fits your premise. I'd agree with you if Old Nan had said "some say he was called Brandon Stark", but since she says "Mayhaps his name was Brandon" she's not informing Bran of a rumor.
  5. @Lost Melnibonean Thanks. Yandel states wildfire is "said to be a close cousin to dragonflame" (TWOIAF- The Targaryen Kings: Aerys II ). However, this passage in AFFC, Cersei III always gets me thinking: "The pyromancers said that only three things burned hotter than their substance: dragonflame, the fires beneath the earth, and the summer sun". Thus, although I recognize the pyromancers explained using poetic license, I had the impression that wildfire is no substitute for dragonflame.
  6. It is said that Ironborn ships are like kingdoms where every captain is a king. What happens to Ironborn ships when its owner dies? Is it inherited by his legitimate sons? Does bastards have right over it? Did Theon inherited Balon's Great Kraken?
  7. She never says he was brought down by his brother. It is there, in you very quote (the red part). He's not rumored to be a Brandon Stark. Old Nan says "mayhaps" just because she's bullshiting him to enhance the thrill of her story.
  8. Just checked about the Doom in TWOIAF and I confess you're right. I thought it was an impression of mine, but it was on the book. Sorry for playing Captain Obvious here. However I didn't find any mention of a connection between the Doom of Valyria and The Citadel's commitment against magic. I know it's a secret because it's a conspiracy, but since you didn't especified which part of my answer was copied from TWOIAF I imagined I had plagiarized both parts. Would you mind telling me if is that so?
  9. None of these. I believe the Doom happened because "sorcery is a sword without a hilt: there is no safe way to grasp it" and Valyrians were making too much of it. So the result was a something like a gargantuan nuclear-seismic disaster. And that's the reason why I think the Citadel engaged in a conspiracy against magic: to avoid the Doom from repeating itself in Westeros 114 years after, since Aegon's Conquest.
  10. I was doing a research on runes and I notice runes' entry is missing info as such: Rattleshirt affirms to cast runes carved in dead man's teeth (ACOK, Jon VIII); Tormund has armbands graven with runes (ASOS, Jon I; ADWD, Jon XI and XII); Horn of Joramun's runes seemed to briefly shimmer in the air while the horn was afire (ADWD, Jon III). The exact meaning of the runes of the First Men is disputed at the Citadel to this day (TWOIAF: The Riverlands). House Royce of Runestone's sigil bears runes too (The Citadel. Heraldry: Houses in the Vale; TWOIAF: The Vale); The crown of the Bronze Kings is called "The Runic Crown" (TWOIAF: The Vale); The lid of the sepulcher of King Tristifer IV Mudd in Oldstones was carved depicting the King with the hands folding over the shaft of a stone warhammer carved with the runes that told its name and history, but the runes have been worn away (ASOS, Catelyn V); Runes indicate "Thousand Year War" were probably two hundred years of conflict in separate wars, rather than a single war lasting a thousand years (TWOIAF: Kings of Winter); In the morning of the day Jorah and Tyrion met the Widow of the Waterfront she had received, among other gifts, an ancient bronze dagger marked with runes (ADWD, Tyrion VII); There are stone monuments in the barrow fields and elsewhere marked with First Men's runes (TWOIAF - Ancient History: The Age of Heroes ); Only the names of a few legendary kings and heroes of the Riverlands are recorded on weathered stones in runes (TWOIAF: The Riverlands); Since the Ironmen were illiterate most of the things that are known about them came from runes of the First Men they attacked (TWOIAF - The Iron Islands); "In the stormlands oft as not the First Men carved the tales [...] into the trunks of trees, long since rotted away", supposedly in form of runes (TWOIAF - The Stormlands: House Durrandon); The oldest runic records confirm that men have lived at the mouth of the Honeywine since the Dawn Age (TWOIAF: The Reach: Oldtown ); Runic records tell of the crossing of Arm of Dorne by the First Men (TWOIAF - Dorne: The Breaking); And this seemed to need correction: The written form of the Old Tongue and the runes are different writing systems ("[...] written in the Old Tongue and the runes of the First Men" - TWOIAF - The Iron Islands)
  11. @Lady Barbrey Many users tend to think it's so (some even say that Night's King's name was literally Jon Snow - or Jon Stark, as in legitimate bastard) but I'm of the opinion that Ygritte reacted to the word "snow" as it relates to several things considered bad north of the wall (snow = ice = cold = winter = death = Others), and so giving somebody that name seemed like a horrible choice. However we know that snow is something Wildling see very often, it doesn't mean it's not a big deal for them. Indeed, if the winter on the North is considered deadly, beyond-the-wall it must be hell. A snowstorm could bury and collapse their homes and lead to suffocation, freezing or starvation. Therefore, a Winter-related name should provoke such reaction in a Wildling. Although I find a very clever guess that the imprecision of what house did the NK belonged to is due to his bastardy, I don't think the wildlings are the likely people to remember his name. In fact, it's strange to think that Ygritte would link Jon's name to NK when Rattleshirt, Mance, Tormund et al didn't. On the other hand, combining the song of Bael the Bard Ygritte tells Jon and Old Nan saying NK "was a Stark, the brother of the man who brought him down" is natural to feel there's a connection between the stories and how they relate to Jon. However, these stories have more discrepancies than coincidences and are full of inaccuracies (several of them can be found in the following threads - 1, 2, 3, 4).
  12. Family tree on Serena Stark indicates Osric Umber and Arrana Stark as ancestors of House Cerwyn and Robard Cerwyn and Aregelle Stark as ancestors of House Umber. Related entries repeat the mistake. Family tree on House Stark is fine, though.
  13. I was reading the Basilisk Isles entry and I feel that it is missing a mention on the rumors that a corsair from there is the new shrouded lord.
  14. Which short stories specifically?
  15. 1. Records x Memory The one who literally said "all records of Night's King had been destroyed, his very name forbidden" was Bran (ASOS, Bran IV), a 9-year-old boy whose knowledge in this matter was learned from an old lady whose erudition in the story is probably based on oral tradition alone. Maester Yandel, the sole maester of the citadel whose opinion on the subject we really have access to, only told us that, based on the book "Watchers on the Wall" by Archmaester Harmune, Brandon the Breaker and Joramun would have "obliterated the Night's King's very name from memory" (TWOAIF, The Wall and Beyond: The Night's Watch). To be fair, Bran also told us that his "name was wiped from the memory of man" (ASOS, Bran IV), which may indicate he had a word with Maester Luwin (I said "may"). However, I see no basis for assuming that the citadel doctrine speaks of "records" and I also believe that the contradiction you pointed out arose from Bran's imprecise vocabulary. 2. The recorded history of Lord Commanders' names If Bran's words are proven to be accurate, it is worth noting that keeping a list of Lord Commanders' names carved on stones wouldn't be as difficult as keeping full Night's Watch tales on stone, but we actually know the latter survived, since as you noticed nobody knows Night's King's name but people knows his tale. There is no way to state that the tales that Bran, Jon, Sam et al know are transcribed from runes engraved on stones. But a list of hundreds of names isn't something you expected to be maintained solely by oral tradition. In fact, Samwell's research on The Others reveals that the oldest list relating the names of the Lords Commanders had 674 names (AFFC, Samwell I), which would indicate, by my calculations, that it was written at least 4600 years ago, thus after Andal Invasion. Then, we have to assume that for 5400 years there should be some kind of written list. On the one hand, Maester Yandel fills me with ideas when he mentions a written form of Old Tongue (TWOIAF, The Iron Islands) and that the First Men of the Stormlands "carved the tales of their victories and defeats into the trunks of trees, long since rotted away" (TWOIAF, The Stormlands: House Durrandon) - and, let us remember, NW receives men from all seven realms. On the other hand, we have been told many times that even the runes were not necessarily engraved in stone. There are runes in bronze armor (AGOT, Sansa II), crowns (ACOK, Catelyn I), armbands (ASOS, Jon I) and horns (ADWD, Jon III). So, First men had several options of surfaces from which they could have completely erased the name of the Night's King.