Jon Ice-Eyes

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  1. So there's this book called 'The King's Two Bodies,' which does an excellent historical examination of the notion that the kingship as an institution survives beyond the life of the actual king (and a lot about kingship conferring special attributes to whomever holds the title). Part of this is the smooth succession from one king to the next. Turns out that the civil service (if you can call it that) ensuring the easy move from a dead king to his next of kin was a development that didn't get particularly started until about the 12th or 13th century. And even then there were tons of hiccups. There were often civil wars in England around succession until well into the Early Modern period. But we're not in a constitutional monarchy in Westeros, so the rule of law doesn't have a ton of force beyond the will of the state (by which I mean the nobility as a group) to enforce it. There's no machine to keep everything rolling in the absence of direct authority. So what we need to look at is what kind of monarchy this is. Is it a late-style monarchy, where the concept of laws and their force lives well intact beyond the death of a king? Or is it more like a 12th century monarchy, where everyone knows broadly what's supposed to happen, except when the king dies the servants all run off with the silverware and wars tend to break out between his kin? I would say look to how smooth succession was in 15th century England to get an idea of how it should work. War of the Roses, or just before.
  2. LOL Euron Also Balor's death explains the God's Eye. It's all right there. Head=moon meteor, and so on and so on. But back to merlings. I was looking for any cool deep ones references in mythology, and got sidetracked.
  3. I feel like someone must have pointed this out before, but the Ironborn are almost whole cloth ripped off from the Fomorians. From wikipedia: "The Fomorians (Old Irish: Fomoire, Modern Irish: Fomhóraigh) are a supernatural race in Irish mythology. They are often portrayed as hostile and monstrous beings who come from the sea or underground. Later, they were portrayed as giants and sea raiders. They are enemies of Ireland's first settlers and opponents of the Tuatha Dé Danann,[1] the other supernatural race in Irish mythology." So they don't come with the regular settlers. They war with them. They are from under the sea (Drowned God) or else underground (where you mine iron). They are sea raiders. They are chaotic and evil. They are on a god damn island off the west coast of Engl-, erm, Westeros. Oh yeah and they have a king named Balor. Remind you of anyone? So, take Fomorians, add Cthulu, shake (not stir), and you have the Iron Islands. Just sayin.
  4. I have to disagree with some of this piece. Otherwise a great post! And I am not saying that levels of violence or other indicators aren't culturally relative. They are. Context always matters. But there are countless in-story and historical examples of kings and queens doing extremely fucked up shit that was completely "in their rights." I am talking about people who are obviously mentally ill, doing super disordered things. Joffrey? Never broke the law. Aerys? Within his rights. Maegor the Cruel? Can burn down whatever the fuck he wants to. But these people were crazytown bananapants. (Yeah yeah, I know. It was a joke.) As I was alluding to earlier, just because you're in a position where you are shielded from consequences, does NOT mean that your behaviour isn't disordered.
  5. Adult Cersei qualifies for Conduct Disorder with the Deceitfulness category, as well as setting fire to shit (tower of the hand). Except that she's not under 18 (physically). Also, it's important to note that having an extreme case of affluenza doesn't change the clearly disordered behaviour, it only lessens the consequences. To flip a Nirvana quote: just because they're after you, don't mean you're not paranoid. She's a textbook candidate for the non-DSM disorder (and possibly not a real thing) of malignant narcissism. Which made news recently... Speaking of political figures who have affluenza and are textbook narcissists. Also, George has this notion that he can humanise characters who are irredemably evil. The driving notion being the so-called wisdom that, "An enemy is only someone whose story we weren't willing to hear," or some such bullshit. (I mean, this is true in so many cases, especially on the one-on-one level; I am a firm believer in practicioners of the mental arts and their ability to help people.) But this is not universally true! There are lots of people whose confluence of mental illness, bad choices, and power make them so dangerous that we can acknowledge their contributing factors and also unsympathetically extirpate them from... well, life. While also condemning the abusers who made the monsters and set them loose on an innocent public. Cersei is a great example of the brutal subjugation of women, being marginalised, stripped of agency, and commodified. She is right to push back. Except that she's hollow, unrepentant, and malicious, so the way she pushes is just plain evil. No excuses.
  6. I'll give it a shot. I have a big spoon. Leaving aside the waste of time that is trying to theorise where the tree is. Let me make that perfectly clear. NOBODY wants that conversation. The basic insight here -- and it's a really good one!! -- is that lemons = truth. Usually a hard, bitter truth. The tree here represents that the root of many truths will be revealed when she figures out and/or remembers where the hell that place was and who was there taking care of her. A number of difficult and bitter truths will flow out of that revelation. See a million other threads about her parentage and early life for more. Not important here! But it looks to me like The George is signposting that this is a really important piece of the puzzle. In other lemon imagery, we have Lem Lemoncloak. Whom Radio Westeros convincingly claimed was one of Rhaegar's companions. I will posit here that he knows some truths about what happened around the tournament at Harrenhal. And they will indeed be hard to swallow.
  7. Dany's warm childhood memory of the house with the red door and the lemon tree? Anyone? Bueller?
  8. Yeah, I feel pretty much the same. Some sort of seed or influence being from a space rock can be a good story, but it has to be handled soooo deftly. Which is super possible for someone as deliberate as The George.
  9. Vorlons vs. Shadows? LOL!! Ranking just slightly behind "It was all a dream" and "Post-apocalyptic medieval earth" for weakness.... that would just make my decade. But seriously. I really hope it's not space aliens. I could not tolerate that.
  10. Yep. You should listen to the History of Westeros podcast. They have two episodes about House Dayne, and later two on the GEotD that cover this in great detail. They also feature LmL, a regular here, whose podcast Mythical Astronomy of Ice and Fire goes real deep into the Long Night and other related topics.
  11. Golden apples! That rings a bell. Greek myth has a female hero, Atalanta, who was dedicated to Artemis. Raised by bears, an excellent hunter and archer, who helped slay the Calydonian Boar. She refused to marry, her angle being that she would only marry a man who could beat her in a foot race. If the man lost, he would be put to death. Many died before a suitor got Aphrodite's favour. She gave him 3 golden apples. In the foot race, he would drop one to distract Atalanta whenever she was about to pull ahead. He narrowly won the race and so married her. And then there's this nugget. From the Wiki: " Zeus or his mother Rhea turned Atalanta and Hippomenes into lions after they made love together in one of his temples. Other accounts say that Aphrodite changed them into lions because they did not give her proper honor. The belief at the time was that lions could not mate with their own species, only with leopards; thus Atalanta and Hippomenes would never be able to remain with one another." Moon maiden -> golden apple seduction-> lion. Cool!
  12. I mean, basically, the GEotD were Tolkien Elves. Like Silmarillion-era Elves. Who also wielded blue, glowing, ice-magic-imbued swords to slay dragons and fire demons. 'S all I'm saying.
  13. Yeah, OK. I'll get in on this tinfoil party. Mine is pretty... conservative. By which I mean that I feel it's not that innovative or wacky. I feel like someone will have already thought of it; all this has happened before and all this shall happen again (so say we all). The current age is quite clearly an Age of Fire. Since the Blood Betrayal, fire has been the predominating element. Valyrians and Targaryens and all that. Given that The George is clearly a hippie who is all into cycles and shit, we can deduce that there was an Age of Ice some time before. Waitaminute... wasn't there a time when Emperors lived for thousands of years -- yeah yeah, it's shorthand for 'a really long time' -- and were named for gemstones, which could easily symbolize ice? Hmm. So my tinfoil is that the GEotD time was the Age of Ice. The gemstone emperors drew their power from the moon. Maiden-Made-of-Light + Lion of Night = Sun + Darkness = Night-Sun = the Moon. (Stolen tinfoil from reddit: all that black fused stone was made by these guys and their magic, and it used to be WHITE). They made the Five Forts to guard against the demons (fire demons? Dragons?) in the east. That was their wall. They didn't use metal, because they had this sweet white ice-rock-gem stuff out of which they make swords and shit. And the rest writes itself! The BSE usurps magic itself by crashing a comet and/or fire moon into the ice moon, turning most of that white stuff black, with the exception of whatever was in Westeros, ie. Dawn, the stuff inside the Wall, and a group of settlers there, who are undead-ified into being the Others. 'Others' in this case being like in Lost: when the First Men got there, they were already there, and so got called 'the Others.' The point being that this great cycle has already happened. And so the cycles of ASoIaF are wheels within wheels and so on. Jon and Dany are going to break the wheel by refusing to cycle it over again. Balance is restored. Just goes to show the truth that 'nature' isn't some peaceful state of equilibrium; it's a series of unimaginable catastrophes. That's my tinfoiliest of tinfoils. I believe half of it about 50% of the time.
  14. I think I understand your reading. Makes sense in light of the 'legitimate rape' talk we heard from misogynists not long ago. That didn't really occur to me because it's such stupid reasoning. It's like saying that your store can't be robbed if you have a gun behind the counter. Just so stupid as to be a non-starter. The people who use this 'legitimate rape' line of argument are just nakedly hateful and are being evil. My reading was simply that girls are all taught that no one is entitled to them. Something I deeply believe in. Overly generous? Maybe. But again, the notion that failing to say no with the point of a blade equates to consent? Didn't really occur to me, because that's something mentally ill people say. It's disappointing that this not obvious to everyone, that it is a discussion we even have to have.
  15. Micorrhyzae are fungi that live symbiotically with trees, and the actual root-network that inspired Avatar utilizes a system of them to transmit nutrients and information to one another. Basically in real life, these soil fungi are the fibre-optic cable that make up the network. Interesting factoid.