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  1. Well, there's Podrick, but we know exactly where he is. Cross him off. I've tried to find anyone else it could plausibly be. Someone with means, motive, and opportunity to be on Team Shadrich. Timett of of Timett would know her and he is back with his clan in the Mountains of the Moon, but there's no plausible reason why Shadrich would even know about Timett and journey (risking getting killed by any nmumber of clans) there to find and meet him. If Shadrich is trailing Brienne, his path takes him right to the QI to the Elder Brother and Sandor. And Sandor sure as hell isn't going to help a bad guy out for a ransom. I have to be off to work now, but I'll get back to the rest later on today
  2. Now that I had more time to look at Ysengrim, I would say one possibility is that Reed will have an adversarial relationship with Sandor, the renewed wolf transformed from a dog. Remember Dog pissing on the reeds? Or "Piss on that, Reed!" Ysengrim is depicted as a monk who is not exactly holy. While the original is supposed to represent hypocritical clergy, in a loose way it fits as Sandor is never going to live a true monastic life on the QI. He's likely tempered but not tamed. I could see their main point of contention being their opinions on Sansa's path after escaping the Vale, each having their own agendas. Sorcerer trickster types wouldn't necessarily trustworthy even if Reed could provide the means of her rescue. Afterall, Meera and Jojen took Bran to the Three-Eyed Raven, rather than a Stark bannerman. They likely are more strange bedfellows rather than true allies.
  3. @sweetsunray I just stumbled upon an interesting bit that could relate to Howland Reed as fox-faced Ser Shadrich: During the middle ages, stories featuring Reynard the Fox were extremely popular throughout Europe. So popular in fact, renard came to replace the old French word for fox. Reynard is an anthropomorphic fox character and trickster figure whose stories usually involve him decieving or cunningly escaping other anthropomorphic animal characters. His character was often used in parodies of medieval courtly love and chanson de geste, or songs of heroic deeds (think Shadrich's meeting Brienne on her hapless quest to rescue Sansa) as well as satire of political and religious institutions. I would bet anything GRRM is familiar with this. One such character he tricks is Bruin the Bear (Lothor Brune?), where he steals his honey (calls back to Bear and the Maiden Fair) or butter depending on the telling. Basically, Reynard comes to live with Bruin (at the Gates of the Moon?) and pretends to leave to attend a christening. He's really going to sneak back into the house to eat some honey. When Bruin asks him what the baby's christened name was, he replies "Just Begun." A second time he says he needs to attend a christening, he does the same thing and tells Bruin the baby's name was "Half-Eaten." This same scenario happens a third time with the baby's name being "All Gone," at which point Bruin realizes his honey (as a symbol of Sansa that he was supposed to be guarding). This clever word play and double-meaning is a feature of the way Ser Shadrich speaks. How Reynard can relate to Howland Reed is very interesting. The name Reynard is theorized to have old Germanic man's name Reginhard. The word regin meaning "divine powers of the Old Germanic religion" plus hard meaning "made hard by the Gods." It could also mean regin + harti or "strong cousel," denoting someone wise and cleaver. Reynard's castle home is called Maleperduis, which is described as having hidden tunnels, entrances and exits, and confusing pathways to elude his enemies from finding him. Sound a lot like Greywater Watch, the castle no one can find if you aren't a crannog? I gotta get to work now and see if I can find more later, but I got a kick out of this.
  4. The Bat and the Wolf?

    That's a very good guess. She's noted to be a very good writer, reader, singer, and supposely plays the high harp a little. Could she be the writer of a new song? A song would be a good way to pass down the "bard's truth" to a mostly illiterate society.
  5. The Bat and the Wolf?

    @Seams I went back and read your link. There's definitely a relationship between fools and crones, though I still lean toward Tanda being more fool than crone. Reminds me of Arya and the Hound trying to sneak into the Twins under the guise of being sent by Lady Shella Whent. But the fools do the fooling and they make a fool of someone else, don't they? I also subscribe to the idea that Lady Whent is not dead, but was that woman in the unmarked carriage Brienne comes across in her search for Sansa. I do agree with you that what she says is ironic truth, because it's not for the reasons she believes. I can see how she can be kind and loyal in a way, but in that very scene is also her ableist attitudes. She sees Sansa's marriage to a dwarf as an awful disgrace. She has a disabled daughter that she treats like a burden and an embarassment. Lollys's rape and pregnancy is yet another obstacle for Tanda to marrying her off and ends up settling for Bronn, a man who doens't care a whit about Lollys, kills her goodson, names her bastard grandson after Sansa's dwarf husband, and probably bumped off Tanda to make himself Lord Stokeworth. But the imagery of Sansa dressing herself is crone-like if you also consider she had to navigate her way through the dark with Dontos (her fool). I still see tons of mother imagery and themes surrounding Sansa to say she skips right to the crone, but what she definitely does need is the crone's wisdom. She'll be on her own for a while with no outside help and she must bury Sansa under the Alayne persona. The crone could be symbollic of her need to "get wise" fast to avoid being permanently trapped in LF's schemes.
  6. The Bat and the Wolf?

    Rohanne and Daenerys may not be sorceresses. Melissandre, definitely. I think with Danelle and her association with BR, a sorcerer, that there was probably some truth to that. She may have engaged in some kind of magical art, but it may have been grossly exaggerated to a slanderous degree to justify more mundane and political reasons for ousting her. The Whents, who originally served the Lothstons, took over Harrenhal in return for their part in bringing House Lothston down. That sounds like a betrayal of some kind to me. I hope we get to know the whole story. Maybe it's funny because it's true. lol I think she was already wearing her own green cloak when LF tried to cloak her with his cloak. Maybe you can call that a seaman/semen cloak since they were standing on a ship. She did reject his offer of a pomegranate because she found the seeds too messy and chose a pear instead. Lemons are associated with bitterness and disappointment, but they are also associated with the Virgin Mary and fidelity in love. I love that chest nut = heart. LF does ask Sansa to be Alayne all the time "in her heart," but as we can see her Stark identity is firmly in her heart. I think it might be slowly happening if we considering the Hound as her Lady replacement. Sansa and Sandor often mirror each other's clothing, which could be symbollic of their connection, but also as symbollic skin-changing. I don't believe Sansa has ever directly had control of an animal or person, but I think her natural empathy might be a means of feeling and sensing through another animal or human. The scene in Tyrion's POV at the PW where the black dog comes up to sniff Joffrey's body while Cersei is greiving and crying, Sansa has already fled by that time. In her POV, Sansa knows Joffrey is dead by the bells tolling, but it's her emotional state that is interesting. And very interesting she talks to the trees too. We can say her sobbing at first is a result of the horror, but after Joffrey's out of her sight there's a turn. She wants to laugh at Lady Tanda's assumption of weeping for Joffrey. She feels like dancing. She's chanting he's dead, dead, dead. She doesn't understand herself why she is crying and wonders if they are tears of joy. I would think Sansa would know without a doubt if they were tears of joy or not. She understood her tears before were from from the horror, but she says in the same passage she wasn't so frightened anymore. She speaks of those tears like they are in conflict with her mental state. What's going on at this same moment? That very significantly black dog was next to Cersei while she was grieving for her child. Dogs being very attentive to human emotional states, could Sansa be empathically feeling a mother's loss of her child through the dog? I think the black dog has more than one meaning of course. Honestly, if Sandor had still been around he might have actually been the one kingsguard doing his job and would have spotted the poison or smelled the lie at some point. This empathic ability may be a two-way street, because Sansa does demonstrate how she can influence other peoples' states of mind: the Hound, Sweetrobin, Lancel Lannister. It's not anywhere near skin-changing and controlling directly, but maybe a little hint at what her flavor of skin-changing might be.
  7. The Bat and the Wolf?

    Because Lady's bones are buried in Winterfell is important. Sansa will later say she feels "stronger within the walls of Winterfell" and bones are said to "remember," which is probably why they can be used in glamors or why an undead can retain some memory. Cersei wanted Lady's pelt, but Ned denied her that. The skin was still intact and may be symbollic of Sansa's skinchanging ability being still present, even if its dormant. So maybe it's not really that altered so much that it needs a means of awakening. In her isolation and imprisonment, she's been cut off from quite a bit. I think that's where her relationship with the Hound as a surrogate Lady comes in. "A dog can smell a lie." Smelling is an important metaphor in her arc for intuition and finding the truth. I do like this! Good job! I really like this! Sansa herself was regarded as a fool by many. Fools in this story, though they may be mocked, tend to have knowledge and insight other people don't. Being regarded as a fool can also help keep you safe if everyone underestimates you.
  8. The Bat and the Wolf?

    Oops. Sorry I wasn't clear. "She even liked the sailors, with all their songs and stories" was the quote. They weren't singing at that moment, but they do sing and tell stories. What do sailors do in the story? They travel from port to port and they bring news across the distances. Can that be a metaphor for the weirwood net that a greenseer can use? I was comparing Dany's dragon dreams to Jojen's greendreams. Both are prophetic dreams, but Jojen says he is not a greenseer. If there's a connection between greensee and greensea, another name for a sailor is a seaman or "seeman." I do follow the podcast as much as I can and I do agree with the comets and moon meteors. I'll have to go back and listen or read that part, but I think it may be multi-layered in meaning as well, which may add to our understanding of the comet and moon disaster. I definitely see the moon rock in the silver spears and a comet in the fiery lance. Bran describes Summer as "silver and smoke." Greywind, Nymeria, and Lady are all described as grey-furred. I'd sure like to know what shade of red "Mad" Danelle Lothston's hair was. She's definitely associated with sorcery (and with BR putting down the Blackfyre plot at Whitewalls) as with Mel. Sansa was accused of sorcery in rumors after the PW. I personally suspect the rumors of child murder surrounding Danelle was probably vicious slander for being an uppity woman, but being a sorceress was probably true. Nice catch on Addam Marbrand and Tyrek. That's very interesting. Yes he did! Under the sea you "fall up." We could be expanding on this theme of aquatic mammals being like wolves. Another interesting thing is that toothed whales and dolphins also navigate and hunt by echolocation, as well as bats and even some cave-dwelling bird species like swiftlets. Is echolocation also a metaphor for greenseeing? I like that jumping above the surface to "spy." I am wondering if this piercing between the mirrored worlds of sky and sea is particularly important -- for some reason, not sure yet. That is very cool. As we have been shown, things that die under the sea (as well as in the North) can be brought back to the world of the living. Thinking about LmL's podcast again about the importance of dead greenseers in the Last Hero story, I'm thinking again about the possible parallelI here of dead sailors/seaman/seeman. And excellent catch on the "pod" and "seed" connection! That's great thinking. I would also throw in seaman/semen possible word play along the same lines planting seeds. @Seams Awesome expansion on that idea! Otters as rafts probably comes from that they sometimes float on their backs and hold on to another otter's paw to stick together as well as their young (pups!) ride on their mothers like a raft. So cute when you consider that's a Arya/Gendry scene lol. I like the connection to Jeyne Poole, f(Arya), naked under the furs. Could be along the same theme of people wanting to be Starks and wear their pelts, but can't truly be. So maybe there's your play with "otter" and "other" if "an otter" is "another" wolf-type animal. Yes, absolutely! Sansa, Arya, and Bran all have the "flying mouse" motif. Arya has been called a squirrel and Bran sees Leaf I think and mistakes her for Arya.
  9. The Bat and the Wolf?

    I forgot to point out they are also "singing," could be a CotF reference. There a few more scenes with ships I want to look at exploring that idea. Dany remarks how fine it would be to be a sailor. Of course, she has her dragon dreams. She then has greendreams like Jojen, but Jojen says he is not a greenseer. It may have just literal meaning. That passage came up when I did a search on flying fish. Another thing occured to me that Drogon blasts them with fire. Could that be kissed by fire? Maybe there's something slightly different with red-haired flying fish than Arya and SR who do not have the red hair. Maybe the dolphins are kinda like wolves, hunting in packs. Dany calls them silvery, but dolphins are usually gray. Yes, and I too thought of the dichotomy of sea and sky with the Drowned God and Storm God. You are right about all those things surrounding SR. Also the Moon Door is a weirwood door and the Eyrie is in the Mountains of the Moon at the Giant's Lance with the Bloody Gate below so there's more of a detailed moon / comet and death from above symbolism. Bran in his dreams has to fly, if he doesn't he will die and I believe he says he sees the remains of those who failed to fly below him. We can also look at the inversion of death by falling (failure to fly) and death by drowning (failure to swim) like Patchface. But maybe the secret here is that Patchface should be dead by all reason. He was sole survivor I believe of the ship that sank in a storm, killing Stannis's parents. Is this along the lines of how many people Bran sees that failed to fly if sailors and ships are a metaphor for greenseeing and navigating between the two worlds? I'm going to look at other ship and sailor scenes with sea and sky and see if there might be anything else.
  10. The Bat and the Wolf?

    Haha! Yeah Arya does imagine herself as a "skinny pink otter" when she's dipping in "green" water. I like the play on words "wolfish." Maybe a "catfish" as well Maybe @Seams might have some input there. I think I've also seen another animal-mashup based on a general motif. I think squirrels fit in the "flying mouse" catagory and they are a euphemism for CotF and Meera describes herself and father as being able to "fly" on leaves or through trees.
  11. The Bat and the Wolf?

    There's something special about Sansa's shade of hair. It's not just red, it's "copper." Sansa is only 1 of 3 people who have "copper" hair: Melisandre and Addam Marbrand are the others. Melisandre's hair is (imo) somehow achieved through artifice - dye or glamor. Her hair is a fake color like Stannis' sword gives off "fake light." Copper hair is important somehow. Maybe a historical figure out person in prophecy had copper hair? Yeah, red is associated with Rhllor, but Melisandre could have chosen any shade she wanted, and "copper" is not the shade closest to true red anyway; Copper is more orange. Additionally, at this point in the story, only people with red hair (Dondarrion, Catelyn) are able to be revived by red priests. Maybe this isn't the proper thread for it and maybe it's been pointed out elsewhere, but I've been thinking about what's special about Tully blood. If the Ned and Cat's children are associated with winged wolves, doesn't that also make them winged fish or flying fish? You could also say Lysa, Cat, and Edmure might be winged fish from their Whent (bat), maybe Lothston ancestry. This also makes Sweetrobin a winged fish with the wings coming from both his mother and father, and that kid has tons of greenseer symbolism surrounding him. There might be a mirrored connection between sky and water animals if we think of the sky and sea as two blue spaces that they move through. One above and one below. Beg your pardon, but I haven't gotten this figured out in a better way and I'm super sick and hopped up on cold meds. Old Nan describes the CoTF as "flying like birds" and "swimming like fish," so there's a water/air dichotomy within them. Look at this from Dany I in ASOS: So we got in the first quote the dolphins slicing through the water below and dragons above. The flying fish can move between both mediums of sky and water, but they can be consumed by a predator above and below. There's silvery spears below the water and lances of flame above. The sailors to me seem like they have greenseer or CotF symbolism. Like the flying fish, they can navigate the surface between water and sky, so with their green sails they can "fly" on the wind and the ship moves through the water. Again, not sure what it all means yet. Just brain storming, but I think there's a link to fish and greenseeing as well.
  12. A strong king acts boldly

    And this makes sense! From his experiences with wolves, it's why he places Sansa as a fawn being threatened by them. She corrects him and say lions, based on her own perspective. Of course we know a lion really has killed a fawn and lions started the violence against wolves with the help of third parties.
  13. A strong king acts boldly

    Nevermind, I was confusing it with the one Tywin mentions among all the jeweled daggers and swords Robert recieved as gifts.
  14. A strong king acts boldly

    And that particular dagger was actually a favorite hunting dagger of Robert's given to him by Jon Arryn, no? Joffrey may or may not have known that personal attachment, but that also does tie the dagger to the Lannister/Baratheon collection. I agree, fancy or not, the Valyrian steel would be known to be owned by a noble family.
  15. A strong king acts boldly

    It won't be the last time he will mix up baby animals. I can't remember if there's more instances, but he called Sansa "as loyal as a fawn surrounded by wolves" and she corrects him by saying "lions." Maybe it has to do with his perception of the person and the situation as he did with Sansa. He does note how different Myrcella is in personality from Cersei. It's obvious how kind and normal those kids are compared to the rest of the dysfunction lions. Maybe that's why he disassociates them from lions, even though techinically they are pure lion and Tyrion knows it. It could be foreshadowing of a dog killing a dog -- or rather animal X killing animal X -- but I don't think there's hints Myrcella and Tommen will meet their ends by a dog or wolf character (I could be wrong!). I would expect their ends to be rather self-fulfilling prophecy from the actions of a lion. Even though Sansa is made a lion by her marriage to Tyrion (she does not percieve herself to be truly a lion), she was the unwitting carrier of the poison that killed a lion. In that loose interpretation, the formula fits. But he was actually killed by roses with a dash of mockingbird/Titan. Honestly, all these animals switching around has my head spinning sometimes lol Ok, but wouldn't he know Valyrian steel may look plain, but it's actually rare and valuable? Only noble houses possess them. A noble family would certainly understand the significance of Valyrian steel and know it came from another noble house. Let's also consider how house Lannister longs for its own Valyrian steel blade. Joffrey would have been brought up around that and likely know it when he saw it. I do love your analysis of Cersei the book-burning pyrophiliac It's funny how you said she is jealous of a knowledge and talent her father and Tyrion possessed and her son seems to be just like her. As Joffrey can't abide his mother, I think Cersei can't really abide Tywin. She feared him, resented the control he exercised over her life, and was jealous of his talents and power. There's a ship named after her father that she takes amusement in being called a "she." Her internalized misogyny is as great as Joffrey's. She's just relishing being Regent with no Hand to interfere. I completely agree. Also Cersei wants Lady's skin. She could never fill the role of Lyanna Stark for both Rhaegar and Robert and now a Stark is coming again to take her place as queen to her son. She wants to destroy Sansa's Stark-ness and deny it to her, and claim it for herself. Then she remakes her a "little dove," a harmless prey animal that is no threat to her.