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  1. Nymeria is poised to return

    @The Fattest Leech Well considering your track record for laying out a very reasonable and well thought overarching theory for Val and Jon, I'm gonna say this has credibility. Val is special for many reasons, but I hadn't really paid much attention to her manner of speech before. ^^^ This doesn't quite add up with her speech sounding much more educated and highborn leaning. I'm not sure this is the answer to the mystery. Can Jason Mallister's silver winged helm tell us anything significant? I know the Greek mythology connection to Jason and Denys has been made, so the helm is a little evocative of Hermes. Also winged helm sounds a little stereotypical Valkyrie-ish maybe? Jason is a "pallbearer" at Hoster Tully's funeral, specifically being one of the two that wades into the water to guide the burial boat into the river. The Mallister's have longboats and the Riverland funeral practices are very Viking-esque. You've already laid out tons of Norse connections around Val. I'm just riffing here. I haven't had time to really research. Jason also played a key role in the defense of Seaguard by slaying Balon Greyjoy's heir. So there's a Mallister helping to resist a rebellion kinda like Val is probably going to do at the Wall. Mallister longboats will carry Robb's Will (his intended instructions for rule in case he dies) in by two people: Maege Mormont and Galbert Glover. Maege is a she-bear like Val is a she-bear. I wonder if we can make a Glover connection to Val too? Because Val is the carrier of Jon's word and she knows his intentions as LC. Her breath "mingled" with his. Val's word is Jon's word. *Edit* House Glover's sigil is a silver mailed fist on red. Jason ushered Hoster Tully's funeral boat into the water along side Tytos Blackwood of the raven feather cloak. Not sure if this helps, but maybe.
  2. New First Look Images for Season 7

    That was good! I agree, it was on point Thanks guys! That made me feel better
  3. New First Look Images for Season 7

    Or the dog groomers... ugh, yes I know that joke was a dud.
  4. New First Look Images for Season 7

    The guy that played Lem Lemoncloak tweeted that the Hound is wearing his cloak. Makes sense cause he took his boots, but I know a few people were wondering if they were likely to do a reversal of the Hound's helm / mistaken identity side plot. I didn't think so since it seems a little late in the game and can't really think of how or why that would fit. Unless I'm missing something. Also it kinda contrasts with the fancy northern style jerkin he's wearing in the earlier cast costume pics they put out.
  5. @The Weirwoods Eyes Just wanted to know I've been enjoying reading your posts! I don't really understand people seeing Arya making a very conformist, class-conscious match later in life. Arya from the first book shows herself to be more at ease with common people than anyone else of her own social class. She's very anti class boundaries and does not give a whit for crossing those lines. She has enormous empathy for them and she defends them when she sees unfairness. She also insists to her father that "the woman is important too." Her ability to make connections with just about anyone is a hallmark of her personality and that doesn't really change throughout her arc. I can't see her radically changing or submitting to a cold, traditional marriage in the end. I think you were right to point out the parallels between Arya and Sansa in their sexual and romantic development. Romance is not just a Sansa thing and we shouldn't take Arya's balking at the traditional romantic things to mean she doesn't have a soft, romantic streak. It just presents itself differently than her sister. Arya is not just a girl that loves swords and horseback riding. She's also a girl (from GoT) that loves flowers. She loves them so much she doesn't mind getting dirty, bruised, or covered in a rash to collect them and give them to her father. If that doesn't scream being a "forest lass" from the song I don't know what is. I do think the story mostly points to a future romance with Gendry (how that turns out, I don't know) as someone she chooses for herself and someone who likes her just as she is, dirt and all. He already does. I think he is hanging around the orphanage because he's hoping eventually Arya will turn up there. He's literally waiting at a crossroad. I think George is deconstructing the trope of women as prizes and marriage pawns, not romance itself. He's just not into the juvenile portrayals of love and sex that tend to dominate fantasy. He's doing that by not shying away from the process of transitioning from childhood to womanhood in both sisters. Both of them are getting glimpses of things they are attracted to and neither of those things are what society says a highborn lady should want. They are both rebelling against tradition in their own ways.
  6. Awesome thread! I'm following. Just wanted to add another witch to your list to see if it helps with anything, because it also has hammer of the waters imagery (broken arm/neck) attached to it. Ursula Upcliffe, reputed sorceress/witch, of First Men origins in the Vale, self-proclaimed bride of the Merling King. Keeping it mind it's from the world book and told from a pro-Andal perspective, "witch" might be used as a slur for an uppity woman; however, it is possible she was a witch queen figure of her people. They were all "petty kings" before bending the knee to Robar Royce II, proclaimed High King of the Vale. The name Ursula might be a wink to the sea-witch Ursula from Disney's the Little Mermaid. She was killed by the giant Torgold Tollett at the Battle of Seven Stars. Also
  7. Sorry it took so long to get back to this. I did do something thinking about Hibald. I'm no expert on the topic of Ned's bones, so I can't really say. There is possibly a play on the names Hibald and Meribald, but I haven't quite worked it out. This is what we know of the merchant, Hibald: he rides a dappled grey mare, he has 6 servants with him, 4 are pulling the wagon. He carries a crossbow, he's fearful, suspicious, extremely cheap. He's on his way to Duskendale, probably just to sell his goods since it still seems like a bustling town even with the war. He'll only pay for one room at the old stone bridge inn, and only meat and ale for himself and Ser Shadrich. His servants can sleep in the stables with only "bread and drippings." Meribald is a completely different man. He walks the roads around the riverlands along side his animal companions, the donkey and Dog. The walking is supposed to be his penance for using his position as a septon in his youth to convince young women to sleep with him. He is very generous to the smallfolk. He trades food and shelter for ministering to them to those that can give. He gives away food to the hungry and the orphaned, even a highly-valued luxury like oranges. He calls the donkey his faithful servant, but Dog is more of an equal. He gives him two bites of food for every one for himself. He was a soldier in the War of the Ninepenny Kings. He's not really fearful or suspicious of strangers, but he has a healthy wariness of broken men. I'm just wondering if these two were set up to be inversions of each other. Exactly. Shadrich in what little we know, has demonstrated he's very effective at tracking and getting close to his target. He's been able to accomplish what many bounty hunters couldn't. The fact that we find him next sitting in Petyr's solar drinking with him is proof this guy found the best lead to get to Sansa. I still sticking by that this source of info had to be Sandor, because Sandor himself had the idea to go to the Eyrie with Arya. On the QI, they have access to ravens where they would have heard about the marriage of Littlefinger to Lysa Arryn and her very sudden death about a month or so later. That's very suspicious (especially since Sandor knows LF betrayed Ned and participated in his arrest), even if they have no knowledge at that point of Alayne Stone. They could have also heard of the upcoming marriage of Lionel Corbray in Gulltown (a large enough affair that the Lord Protector and several Vale lords would be attending). They meet up with LF there and get themselves hired. Even if they were in this just for the ransom, that's some pretty great deception to fool LF to his face and have them invited to spend several hours in his chambers drinking. That shows LF is very relaxed around them. The thing about Brienne's perception of people is that it's highly suspect because her story arc demonstrates she's not good at sussing out people's intententions. She's such a straight-forward and honest person, she regards all dubiousness or slyness in people as automatically bad. It's not suprising considering how she'd always been the butt of cruel jokes. She takes Creighton's bravado as a little silly, but not dishonest because it doesn't seem like he's hiding something. She only initially considers them suspicious based solely on their status as hedgeknights and what she's heard about hedgeknights. She very quickly starts to think of them as "decent" even though they are shady as hell. Maybe not outright murderous like Rorge and Biter, but Shadrich sees very quickly she's being played. She may be the true knight on a quest, but she is absolutely wrong for the job. It's just on more continuation of that theme of doves vs. ravens. Ravens aren't pretty, but they're clever and get the job done. The only other thing is Byron is tall and has long hair past his shoulders. I don't think we can just rely on the fair-haired and comely without some other clue, which I'm sure George would probably give us. I don't think we really have a reason to doubt Harry is dead. The BwB seem certain of it and list the Bastard of Bracken as one of the charges leveled at Sandor for the crime of being a Clegane. They probably have first hand or very reliable knowledge of his death by Lannisters, specifically Gregor Clegane. But even if he was miraculously alive, it seem a rather random choice by George. The how or why he would be involved with meeting Shadrich sometime after Brienne left him and Gulltown where Shadrich meets up with LF would need a lot of sorting out to make it reasonable. He did say he was "on the losing side" of the Blackwater, which one could assume he means he supported Stannis. I think Ser Shadrich wanted Stannis to win at Blackwater, but not necessarily because he was a supporter. Stannis sacking the city would likely mean Sansa will be moved out of the Red Keep, freeing her up for some later opportunity to get access to her. Stannis losing would be a major blow and months would have to go by of waiting for another opportunity. I think the whole talk about ransoms and the love of gold is about sussing Brienne's intentions out, because Brienne attempts (badly) to do the same to Shadrich. Really, Brienne? Tries to give Shadrich a poker face, but bluntly wants to know Shadrich's intentions to a girl she's supposedly never heard of nor should care for. And Shadrich is trying to warn Brienne that Creighton is full of shit (a friendly act), but he's still testing her by talking of the ransom if she's interested in the gold. She clearly isn't, but the men in her party that Brienne thinks are "decent" men would be motivated by a ransom; therefore Shadrich can't trust her even though she's a good person. He could follow her though, because one of Hibald's servants awoke and saw her leaving alone in the middle of the night. Because she abandoned Creighton and Illifer, Shadrich might decide Brienne might have picked up a lead and snuck out. He would have found out in the morning and could have been trailing her within a day. As far as Stannis's supporters go, the ones Sansa mentions in the court can either bend the knee and swear fealty to Joffrey or face punishment/execution. Sounds like there wasn't really any ransoming going on. All Shadrich would have had to do is beg forgiveness and swear fealty, they'd be able to keep their wealth and titles. If he was a Stannis loyalist, he'd be executed or imprisoned. So, Shadrich saying he was ruined by ransom has some doubt to it. It could be an embellishment to the ransom tale to couch the deception in some amount of truth and a believable backstory. That sounds like a believable backstory for hedgeknight on the surface. The thing about Byron and being any one of Stannis's loyalists that viewed her in court, would they know her through a disguise and having changed physically from puberty? Would they know the sound of her voice? I think that would have to be managed by someone who knows her more upclose and personally. Who would be able to see any subtle traits that would give her away. Also a valuable bonus, someone who Sansa would know and would trust to comply with any escape plan, which is going to be very tricky with the limited routes to get out of Vale. @thereticent and @deja vu The thing about Tyrek and how we can disqualify him immediately is because Littlefinger would know Tyrek Lannister, being at court for years. Jaime says he would be 14 in AFFC, that's very young and Sansa doesn't meantion Byron being that young, which would probably stand out. Even if it were a case of Tyrek being disguised, I don't think we are shown before that Tyrek has the skillset to take on fooling Littlefinger. He'd literally have to be at the Gates of the Moon for months never breaking character or rousing suspicion. Sorry it took so long to respond!
  8. Well, there's Podrick, but we know exactly where he is. Cross him off. I've tried to find anyone else it could plausibly be. Someone with means, motive, and opportunity to be on Team Shadrich. Timett of of Timett would know her and he is back with his clan in the Mountains of the Moon, but there's no plausible reason why Shadrich would even know about Timett and journey (risking getting killed by any nmumber of clans) there to find and meet him. If Shadrich is trailing Brienne, his path takes him right to the QI to the Elder Brother and Sandor. And Sandor sure as hell isn't going to help a bad guy out for a ransom. I have to be off to work now, but I'll get back to the rest later on today
  9. Now that I had more time to look at Ysengrim, I would say one possibility is that Reed will have an adversarial relationship with Sandor, the renewed wolf transformed from a dog. Remember Dog pissing on the reeds? Or "Piss on that, Reed!" Ysengrim is depicted as a monk who is not exactly holy. While the original is supposed to represent hypocritical clergy, in a loose way it fits as Sandor is never going to live a true monastic life on the QI. He's likely tempered but not tamed. I could see their main point of contention being their opinions on Sansa's path after escaping the Vale, each having their own agendas. Sorcerer trickster types wouldn't necessarily trustworthy even if Reed could provide the means of her rescue. Afterall, Meera and Jojen took Bran to the Three-Eyed Raven, rather than a Stark bannerman. They likely are more strange bedfellows rather than true allies.
  10. @sweetsunray I just stumbled upon an interesting bit that could relate to Howland Reed as fox-faced Ser Shadrich: During the middle ages, stories featuring Reynard the Fox were extremely popular throughout Europe. So popular in fact, renard came to replace the old French word for fox. Reynard is an anthropomorphic fox character and trickster figure whose stories usually involve him decieving or cunningly escaping other anthropomorphic animal characters. His character was often used in parodies of medieval courtly love and chanson de geste, or songs of heroic deeds (think Shadrich's meeting Brienne on her hapless quest to rescue Sansa) as well as satire of political and religious institutions. I would bet anything GRRM is familiar with this. One such character he tricks is Bruin the Bear (Lothor Brune?), where he steals his honey (calls back to Bear and the Maiden Fair) or butter depending on the telling. Basically, Reynard comes to live with Bruin (at the Gates of the Moon?) and pretends to leave to attend a christening. He's really going to sneak back into the house to eat some honey. When Bruin asks him what the baby's christened name was, he replies "Just Begun." A second time he says he needs to attend a christening, he does the same thing and tells Bruin the baby's name was "Half-Eaten." This same scenario happens a third time with the baby's name being "All Gone," at which point Bruin realizes his honey (as a symbol of Sansa that he was supposed to be guarding). This clever word play and double-meaning is a feature of the way Ser Shadrich speaks. How Reynard can relate to Howland Reed is very interesting. The name Reynard is theorized to have old Germanic man's name Reginhard. The word regin meaning "divine powers of the Old Germanic religion" plus hard meaning "made hard by the Gods." It could also mean regin + harti or "strong cousel," denoting someone wise and cleaver. Reynard's castle home is called Maleperduis, which is described as having hidden tunnels, entrances and exits, and confusing pathways to elude his enemies from finding him. Sound a lot like Greywater Watch, the castle no one can find if you aren't a crannog? I gotta get to work now and see if I can find more later, but I got a kick out of this.
  11. The Bat and the Wolf?

    That's a very good guess. She's noted to be a very good writer, reader, singer, and supposely plays the high harp a little. Could she be the writer of a new song? A song would be a good way to pass down the "bard's truth" to a mostly illiterate society.
  12. The Bat and the Wolf?

    @Seams I went back and read your link. There's definitely a relationship between fools and crones, though I still lean toward Tanda being more fool than crone. Reminds me of Arya and the Hound trying to sneak into the Twins under the guise of being sent by Lady Shella Whent. But the fools do the fooling and they make a fool of someone else, don't they? I also subscribe to the idea that Lady Whent is not dead, but was that woman in the unmarked carriage Brienne comes across in her search for Sansa. I do agree with you that what she says is ironic truth, because it's not for the reasons she believes. I can see how she can be kind and loyal in a way, but in that very scene is also her ableist attitudes. She sees Sansa's marriage to a dwarf as an awful disgrace. She has a disabled daughter that she treats like a burden and an embarassment. Lollys's rape and pregnancy is yet another obstacle for Tanda to marrying her off and ends up settling for Bronn, a man who doens't care a whit about Lollys, kills her goodson, names her bastard grandson after Sansa's dwarf husband, and probably bumped off Tanda to make himself Lord Stokeworth. But the imagery of Sansa dressing herself is crone-like if you also consider she had to navigate her way through the dark with Dontos (her fool). I still see tons of mother imagery and themes surrounding Sansa to say she skips right to the crone, but what she definitely does need is the crone's wisdom. She'll be on her own for a while with no outside help and she must bury Sansa under the Alayne persona. The crone could be symbollic of her need to "get wise" fast to avoid being permanently trapped in LF's schemes.
  13. The Bat and the Wolf?

    Rohanne and Daenerys may not be sorceresses. Melissandre, definitely. I think with Danelle and her association with BR, a sorcerer, that there was probably some truth to that. She may have engaged in some kind of magical art, but it may have been grossly exaggerated to a slanderous degree to justify more mundane and political reasons for ousting her. The Whents, who originally served the Lothstons, took over Harrenhal in return for their part in bringing House Lothston down. That sounds like a betrayal of some kind to me. I hope we get to know the whole story. Maybe it's funny because it's true. lol I think she was already wearing her own green cloak when LF tried to cloak her with his cloak. Maybe you can call that a seaman/semen cloak since they were standing on a ship. She did reject his offer of a pomegranate because she found the seeds too messy and chose a pear instead. Lemons are associated with bitterness and disappointment, but they are also associated with the Virgin Mary and fidelity in love. I love that chest nut = heart. LF does ask Sansa to be Alayne all the time "in her heart," but as we can see her Stark identity is firmly in her heart. I think it might be slowly happening if we considering the Hound as her Lady replacement. Sansa and Sandor often mirror each other's clothing, which could be symbollic of their connection, but also as symbollic skin-changing. I don't believe Sansa has ever directly had control of an animal or person, but I think her natural empathy might be a means of feeling and sensing through another animal or human. The scene in Tyrion's POV at the PW where the black dog comes up to sniff Joffrey's body while Cersei is greiving and crying, Sansa has already fled by that time. In her POV, Sansa knows Joffrey is dead by the bells tolling, but it's her emotional state that is interesting. And very interesting she talks to the trees too. We can say her sobbing at first is a result of the horror, but after Joffrey's out of her sight there's a turn. She wants to laugh at Lady Tanda's assumption of weeping for Joffrey. She feels like dancing. She's chanting he's dead, dead, dead. She doesn't understand herself why she is crying and wonders if they are tears of joy. I would think Sansa would know without a doubt if they were tears of joy or not. She understood her tears before were from from the horror, but she says in the same passage she wasn't so frightened anymore. She speaks of those tears like they are in conflict with her mental state. What's going on at this same moment? That very significantly black dog was next to Cersei while she was grieving for her child. Dogs being very attentive to human emotional states, could Sansa be empathically feeling a mother's loss of her child through the dog? I think the black dog has more than one meaning of course. Honestly, if Sandor had still been around he might have actually been the one kingsguard doing his job and would have spotted the poison or smelled the lie at some point. This empathic ability may be a two-way street, because Sansa does demonstrate how she can influence other peoples' states of mind: the Hound, Sweetrobin, Lancel Lannister. It's not anywhere near skin-changing and controlling directly, but maybe a little hint at what her flavor of skin-changing might be.
  14. The Bat and the Wolf?

    Because Lady's bones are buried in Winterfell is important. Sansa will later say she feels "stronger within the walls of Winterfell" and bones are said to "remember," which is probably why they can be used in glamors or why an undead can retain some memory. Cersei wanted Lady's pelt, but Ned denied her that. The skin was still intact and may be symbollic of Sansa's skinchanging ability being still present, even if its dormant. So maybe it's not really that altered so much that it needs a means of awakening. In her isolation and imprisonment, she's been cut off from quite a bit. I think that's where her relationship with the Hound as a surrogate Lady comes in. "A dog can smell a lie." Smelling is an important metaphor in her arc for intuition and finding the truth. I do like this! Good job! I really like this! Sansa herself was regarded as a fool by many. Fools in this story, though they may be mocked, tend to have knowledge and insight other people don't. Being regarded as a fool can also help keep you safe if everyone underestimates you.
  15. The Bat and the Wolf?

    Oops. Sorry I wasn't clear. "She even liked the sailors, with all their songs and stories" was the quote. They weren't singing at that moment, but they do sing and tell stories. What do sailors do in the story? They travel from port to port and they bring news across the distances. Can that be a metaphor for the weirwood net that a greenseer can use? I was comparing Dany's dragon dreams to Jojen's greendreams. Both are prophetic dreams, but Jojen says he is not a greenseer. If there's a connection between greensee and greensea, another name for a sailor is a seaman or "seeman." I do follow the podcast as much as I can and I do agree with the comets and moon meteors. I'll have to go back and listen or read that part, but I think it may be multi-layered in meaning as well, which may add to our understanding of the comet and moon disaster. I definitely see the moon rock in the silver spears and a comet in the fiery lance. Bran describes Summer as "silver and smoke." Greywind, Nymeria, and Lady are all described as grey-furred. I'd sure like to know what shade of red "Mad" Danelle Lothston's hair was. She's definitely associated with sorcery (and with BR putting down the Blackfyre plot at Whitewalls) as with Mel. Sansa was accused of sorcery in rumors after the PW. I personally suspect the rumors of child murder surrounding Danelle was probably vicious slander for being an uppity woman, but being a sorceress was probably true. Nice catch on Addam Marbrand and Tyrek. That's very interesting. Yes he did! Under the sea you "fall up." We could be expanding on this theme of aquatic mammals being like wolves. Another interesting thing is that toothed whales and dolphins also navigate and hunt by echolocation, as well as bats and even some cave-dwelling bird species like swiftlets. Is echolocation also a metaphor for greenseeing? I like that jumping above the surface to "spy." I am wondering if this piercing between the mirrored worlds of sky and sea is particularly important -- for some reason, not sure yet. That is very cool. As we have been shown, things that die under the sea (as well as in the North) can be brought back to the world of the living. Thinking about LmL's podcast again about the importance of dead greenseers in the Last Hero story, I'm thinking again about the possible parallelI here of dead sailors/seaman/seeman. And excellent catch on the "pod" and "seed" connection! That's great thinking. I would also throw in seaman/semen possible word play along the same lines planting seeds. @Seams Awesome expansion on that idea! Otters as rafts probably comes from that they sometimes float on their backs and hold on to another otter's paw to stick together as well as their young (pups!) ride on their mothers like a raft. So cute when you consider that's a Arya/Gendry scene lol. I like the connection to Jeyne Poole, f(Arya), naked under the furs. Could be along the same theme of people wanting to be Starks and wear their pelts, but can't truly be. So maybe there's your play with "otter" and "other" if "an otter" is "another" wolf-type animal. Yes, absolutely! Sansa, Arya, and Bran all have the "flying mouse" motif. Arya has been called a squirrel and Bran sees Leaf I think and mistakes her for Arya.