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  1. Tyrion married a peasant girl with the help of a drunken septon, his witnesses were pigs, and they did all this without Tywin's consent. This should tell you how a medieval society like Westeros works. The real question is: If Rhaegar wants to annul his marriage, who will stop him from trying? one can't simply tell the crown prince what to do. The characters in the story seem to view this differently. Aerys himself is remembered as a madman, if he made Viserys his heir after Rhaegar died, not many cared about it. Jaime himself still regards Rhaegar as the rightful heir to the throne by the time he has his weirwood dream, and Jaime killed Aerys.
  2. Yeah? if Arthur Dayne wasn't that important, then George didn't need to include this in ADWD: "They found the Golden Company beside the river as the sun was lowering in the west. It was a camp that even Arthur Dayne might have approved of—compact, orderly, defensible. A deep ditch had been dug around it, with sharpened stakes inside. The tents stood in rows, with broad avenues between them. The latrines had been placed beside the river, so the current would wash away the wastes. The horse lines were to the north, and beyond them, two dozen elephants grazed beside the water, pulling up reeds with their trunks." For the record, I'm not saying that Arthur would turn the tides and win the war for loyalists, i'm just saying that Arthur Dayne was a highly respected swordsman, commander and knight, and the rebels weren't invincible.
  3. If she needed saving, then why she had fear in her eyes when her beloved brother Ned stepped inside the tower? she only smiled when Ned promised to protect Jon. It seems clear to me, she cared more about her child than House Stark, and she knew Jon would be in danger now that his father was killed, and Rhaegar was killed with her family's help. Also, the show didn't help by making the entire thing look like a family reunion, which from the books, we know that was not the case. She never screamed for Ned, she could barely talk, as Ned himself remembers: "her voice had been faint as a whisper" Ned's dream wasn't literal, that Lyanna screamed in Ned's dream was something that happened only in his dream, because it was a nightmare for Ned.
  4. So? his life belonged to House Targaryen, Barristan was supposed to die for them. Yet, at the Trident, Rhaegar was killed, his children were butchered in Robert's name, and Robert was more than happy to reward those who killed them. After all this, and Barristan agreed to become the Lord Commander of Robert's Kingsguard. Do you sincerely want someone like that protecting you? that Daenerys found it in herself to pardon someone she should never pardon shows she is strong at the very least. I would never pardon Barristan. Those three at the Tower of Joy made it clear: "we swore a vow".
  5. This we don't know yet, we don't know literally anything about the High Septon who served during Aerys's reign.
  6. He was already winning drinking contests as we saw at the Harrenhal tourney. As young as he was, he already had a bastard, and he did not seem bothered by it at all, quite the contrary. I think the point of Robert Baratheon as a character is that he gets what he wants, he does what he wants, and he will live the way he wants, and everyone else around him are forced to accept it, even if that means dishonor and disgrace to those around him. I tend to see Robert's fellings for Lyanna the way Jaime and Ned described it: Not only once, but twice. Robert's real fellings for Lyanna have been put into doubt twice by George, it's almost as if he is trying to say something about Robert. Of course, i don't agree with Jaime nor Brienne, Robert did not went to war for Lyanna, he went to war because Aerys wanted his head. George spoke about Robert on a Con last year where he said that Robert wasn't "a real intellectual giant", and that's why he was never capable of realising that Cersei's children weren't his. George said that Robert never believed that people had courage to do something like that to him or go against him in any way, he believed they feared him. When we learned that Robert wanted to bring his bastard daughter to court, we see how little Robert cared about the honor of his own wife. Cersei had to threaten him "lightly" to not bring the bastard, and he was enraged because of this, which was laughable. Robert was sincerely enraged because Cersei did not want to suffer a bastard at court, the child of another woman among her own children. Robert was enraged that Cersei did not want to suffer a slight upon her own honor. It's this moment that makes you realize that Robert doesn't truly care about the honor of anyone but his own. Also, the bastard he wanted to bring to court is the same one Lyanna was talking about with Ned. It's not a stretch to say that what Robert tried with Cersei, he would have tried with Lyanna as well had she married him, and Lyanna made her views on bastards very clear to Ned. For this to happen you need to ignore what Robert is. See how Cersei treated him because of his behaviour, and how Robert had an unhappy life because of it. Robert wants to live the way he wants to live, and he wants the others around him to accept it and be happy with it as well, which is impossible. I see Cersei as having less courage than Lyanna, she is more of a lady, she says thing, she does things, but like a tipical westerosi lady, Cersei always knew her place, even if she killed Robert in the end. Lyanna doesn't seem to understand that, she isn't a lady, she calls Benjen stupid, while she also poured wine over his head at Harrenhal. Lyanna is Arya, and Arya is Lyanna to put it simply, you can expect someone foul-mouthed that will not accept anyone trying to shame her. Lyanna's death was a gift to Robert, but he never knew it, and this is the biggest tragedy in the series. But Robert's life would always end up the way it did, but it would have been even worse if he had married Lyanna, because his friendship with Ned would have suffered as a result, something that did not happen when he married Cersei, who was not related to Ned. Lyanna refers to Mya Stone at the very same night she was betrothed to Robert, which means the girl had already been born, and Mya Stone was born in 280 AC, which means Lyanna was betrothed to Robert when she was 13, close in age to Margaery Tyrell, the young schemer. And yes, a year is a long time. Both Rhaegar and Lyanna were married or betrothed a year before the Tourney at Harrenhal, it makes sense, because George does love his symmetry. Unless you believe that a man who fathered bastards is the same as a man who fathered legitimate children with his lawful wife. It baffles me that people think it is the same thing, it is not. The truth is, if Rhaegar leaves his own wife for Lyanna, it means he swore a vow to keep to her bed only, and Lyanna isn't doing anything wrong, she is staying true to herself. Rhaegar has no bastards, only legitimate children, and his ex-wife is of no importance to Lyanna, because Rhaegar's ex-wife is Rhaegar's own problem. From the way Lyanna speaks of Robert, and from the way Ned assured her that he was a good men, it seems she knows only what she heard of him, which means she did not have much contact with him before they were betrothed. It makes sense as well, because Robert was five years older than her, i can't see them interacting at all until she started to get older and Robert started to notice her pretty face(if she indeed had one). That talk with Ned happened at the very same night her father betrothed her to Robert. One can assume that she said something to her father as well, even if it was in vain. And she tried, and she succeeded initially, but Rhaegar was killed and her plan ended up in tragedy. One needs to ignore all the clues that George has left in the first book to not see what really happened: Lyanna speaks twice in the series, but only the first time matters, the time where Lyanna speaks about Robert and his nature, which in turn makes Ned wonder about Rhaegar's own nature. In Eddard IX you have everything you need to know about Lyanna, Robert and Rhaegar. The hazy background of how Rhaegar "stumbled" on her while he was in the Riverlands is even more revealing. Lyanna did whatever she did consciously, otherwise there was no need for Ned to blame her for everything that happened to her. If you forget the fact that Rhaegar was honor-bound to fight for his house and his children, which is the same thing for the rebels, they are honor-bound to fight for their house and family, which gives them a justification to fight against Aerys when Aerys wanted to kill them, and they had done him no wrong. If you forget how harsh of a place Westeros truly is, you can't expect Lyanna to think that Ned and Robert and the rebels will accept her Targaryen baby with open arms. You also forgot that there was fear in her eyes when Ned entered in the Tower of Joy to "rescue" her. Ned was there, her own blood and kin, and she was afraid. It was only when Ned promised to keep Jon safe that she smiled to him, this tells you how she felt during the war, it was her child's safety that was paramount to her, everything else that was happening was of no matter to her compared to Jon's safety. No, Lyanna certainly did not want Rhaegar to fight against her family, but in the end, there was no choice, he was honor-bound to fight for his family, including the child Lyanna was carrying. It wasn't a choice between Lyanna and Aerys, nothing is ever that simple. You also assume that Lyanna hated Aerys, which is not a stretch, but i have to disagree, i don't think she had time for it. Brandon went to King's Landing to kill the man she chose, and got himself and his father killed because of it. I don't think Lyanna had time to hate Aerys, because she had a part to play in Brandon's death, even though it was Brandon who played the biggest part in his own death, something that Ned admitted. Oh but i doubt that he would have been able to do this. Rhaegar said that he meant to call a Great Council once the battle of the trident was over(as if he believed his victory was guaranteed, it doesn't surprise me that he lost), and if that was truly his intention, he would have had to bring his father to justice by putting him on a trial for his crimes, this is something that the rebels would have demanded, and if Rhaegar truly wanted to bring peace back into the realm, he would have needed to make his father pay for his crimes. Huh, what? this is not how warfare works, this would only serve to create chaos and give a chance for the rebels to march to King's Landing and bring down the Targaryens. Robert was the leader of the rebels, there was no talking with him, Rhaegar needed to bring Robert down, he wouldn't gain anything by going against his father and seizing the capital, that would only allow Robert to make short work of him and his family.
  7. I'm very much interested in "Prophecies of the Known World".
  8. I have to disagree with this, i really do. Rhaenyra refused to marry Laenor Velaryon, Viserys tried everything to make her accept the match, and she kept refusing. In the end, Viserys made Rhaenyra choose, it's either Laenor and the Iron Throne or nothing. George plays with this all the time, there isn't an "absolute" rule in the middle ages, even though women are not supposed to have a say in anything, the truth is that they can, if they grow some balls. Lyanna clearly had some balls, and if she run away to marry someone else, there isn't much Rickard could have done, King Aegon V himself couldn't do anything about Jaehaerys and Shaera. What would Rickard want to do anyway? have Lyanna returned to him so he could force her to say the vows to Robert? one cannot be forced to say the vows, and Lyanna likely knew this, just as Sansa did. It's the same thing with Brynden Tully, even if he is a man, he did refuse to marry Bethany Redwyne. It's the same for everyone, men or women, one cannot be forced to say the vows, the price tends to be a strained relationship with the family, as we saw in Brynden's case. But in the end, both men and women can refuse to marry, which means that they can run away as well, and what they do when they run away is their own problem. Curiously enough, Lyanna was 16 when she died, and 16 is the age of majority in Westeros/Middle Ages, the age where people become responsible for their actions, the age where they have a right to choose where they go and what they do. Just like Ned when he made 16, George did point out that Ned was now free to go to or leave the Eyrie whenever he liked.
  9. When did Robert oppose the Mad King? Aerys killed Rickard and Brandon, and Ned did nothing. Rhaegar "kidnapped" his "beloved" Lyanna, and Robert did nothing. Aerys demanded Robert and Ned's heads, and it was Jon Arryn who rose in rebellion, Robert and Ned only followed him.
  10. In AFFC, Arya hears a song: Who's this song about? who's this lady who threw herself off some tower? and who's this prince? I thought it could be Ashara, but i'm not sure...
  11. Nice post, let me give a look at our suspects. Possible, this is really possible, at least in the books. Very unlikely. I don't think Lyanna needed to say anything to Robert, it's not as if they had a "relationship". Rickard promised Lyanna to Robert, but Robert would not "own" her until they married. The only person Lyanna needed to say something was her father. Also, despite his twisted sense of honor, i don't believe Robert would do such a thing. If Robert wanted to do something, he would bring his discontent to Rickard Stark, the man who promised his own daughter to him, not Brandon Stark. Brandon was the heir to Winterfell, but it was Rickard who had the last word in anything regarding his family. This is very unlikely as well. Those two had a reputation of being good people before they decided to hook up, it seems they allowed love(or prophecy?) to guide them, but this is all we know for now. Everything regarding how they planned(or not planned) their elopment is a mystery, we gonna have to wait on George for this one(i know, it hurts me to say this) However, I would like to nominate another character, i believe the lies came from somewhere else, and since we are just theorizing, i think it's fine. Bear in mind that i don't have anything to support any of this, it's pure speculation, but i always thought that something was wrong with this guy. And by this guy, i mean...Ethan Glover. I always thought it was very strange that Ethan Glover was the only one who survived while Aerys killed all the others(including Ethan's father), and the first name Catelyn mentioned when she remembered those who went with Brandon to King's Landing, was Ethan's. George clearly wanted this guy to be important in some form, otherwise, why allow him to live only for him to die at the Tower of Joy later? My theory is this: I believe Ethan Glover was in love with Lyanna Stark, he was Brandon's squire, and would have been close with the Starks while he was at Winterfell. They say Brandon heard about Lyanna's abduction, but from who? and who saw this? i think the person holding all these secrets is Ethan Glover. I don't know exactly how(obviously), but Ethan did know(saw?) that Lyanna run away with Rhaegar, and if Ethan loved her, he would have hated Rhaegar to death. I believe Ethan was the one who told Brandon that Rhaegar kidnapped his sister, so Rhaegar would have to pay for stealing something Ethan wanted. And if Ethan told something like this to Brandon, it means he was not a honorable person, if anything, he was ready to do dishonorable things to get what he wanted. How he survived in King's Landing is a puzzle to me, but something tells me he made a deal with "someone" in King's Landing, and told them things they might have wanted to know, and that's probably how he was able to survive. Another thing that i find curious is that he accompanied Ned to the Tower of Joy, did Ned ask Ethan to go with him? i don't think so, i believe Ethan wanted to go(by obvious reasons). His later death at the Tower of Joy by the hands of the Kingsguards could be seen as justice if this is true. What you think of my theory? again, i have nothing to support it, only my suspicions?
  12. A little off-topic, but... Viserys was a child when the rebellion happened, it would take years before he came of age and be formally betrothed to someone(Rhaegar himself was betrothed at 19-20), one can think that by the time he came of age, Aerys would no longer be on the throne. Which means that Rhaegar likely would be the one in power(likely, not sure). Do you think Rhaegar would have betrothed his daughter to Viserys? It got me curious, because we don't know Rhaegar's views on incest, nor what he thought of Viserys to the point he would want to betroth his daughter to him. I'm inclined to think he would not, since Aerys and Rhaella's marriage was something Rhaegar probably wanted to forget, but what you think?
  13. No, that's not corret, this couldn't be more wrong. While the Valyrians practiced incest with their closest relatives, Westeros did it too, even if with less frequency. The honorable House Stark married uncles and nices before, and they did it twice. That's not to say, cousing marriages has always been fairly popular. Westeros is not based on our modern times, they don't share our view. People from the middle ages always saw incest with different eyes, and pretty much everything else too. I'm sure the fact that they are related will bother at least Jon for a while, but incest is nothing new to Westeros(or Planetos for that matter). After some drama, Jon will come to terms with it, love will have to speak louder, and i'm sure this will cause even more problems than the fact that they are related. They shouldn't be having sexual relations while the undead has just destroyed the wall and invaded the north. My take is that Jon and Daenerys's love will bring an end to the both of them, just like Rhaegar and Lyanna. The Others/White Walkers will be defeated, but the costs of that victory will be huge, both on a personal level and on a political level. We will have a bittersweet end, one hell of a bittersweet end.
  14. I do, i remember Arya being quite interested in flowers. Arya shrugged. “Hold still,” she snapped at Nymeria, “I’m not hurting you.” Then to Sansa she said, “When we were crossing the Neck, I counted thirty-six flowers I never saw before, and Mycah showed me a lizard-lion.” One day she came back grinning her horsey grin, her hair all tangled and her clothes covered in mud, clutching a raggedy bunch of purple and green flowers for Father. Sansa kept hoping he would tell Arya to behave herself and act like the highborn lady she was supposed to be, but he never did, he only hugged her and thanked her for the flowers.
  15. I sincerely doubt he would have paid much attention to her if she had not donned an armor and entered in the lists. Lyanna was no Cersei or Ashara after all, i bet Elia was prettier than her as well.