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  1. I wonder if the actors have read the books. In that case the bolder ones should have protested against the awful writing practically destroying their characters.
  2. Arya. Sansa's arc is very interesting, but from being silly and stupid and naive she turns to be Littlefinger's apprentice for good and bad. She becomes accutsomed to lies and intrigues. Arya remains honest, deeply routed Stark and wolf child. I vote for Arya.
  3. In that case, Cersei Team should wear yellow or red or whatsoever, but never black. And to make a point on the symbolism of colours, Jaime should change from Lannister red to black at the end of episode 7.
  4. I checked back on what I found on Alan Taylor's quotes: “We’ve got Gendry running back, ravens flying a certain distance, dragons having to fly back a certain distance…In terms of the emotional experience, [Jon and company] sort of spent one dark night on the island in terms of storytelling moments. We tried to hedge it a little bit with the eternal twilight up there north of The Wall. I think there was some effort to fudge the timeline a little bit by not declaring exactly how long we were there. I think that worked for some people, for other people it didn’t. They seemed to be very concerned about how fast a raven can fly but there’s a thing called plausible impossibilities, which is what you try to achieve, rather than impossible plausibilities. [...} It’s cool that the show is so important to so many people that it’s being scrutinized so thoroughly, [...] If the show was struggling, I’d be worried about those concerns, but the show seems to be doing pretty well so it’s OK to have people with those concerns.” I do not know exactly why, but Alan seems to pick out two of the 200 examples of incoherencies/implausibilites in Season 7 only.
  5. Loved it! But you were wrong in one detail (see above): Dragonstone was deserted - but for one vital creature: You forgot the one raven trained to fly to Winterfell to deliver the invitation message to Pomade-Jesus™.
  6. It was Joffrey who made up the plan and hired the sellsword.. Littlefinger just ceased the occasion to blame Tyrion. Remember: He thrives on chaos.
  7. I have a look at some character arcs after Season 7. Putting aside teleporting, same gloves for everyone, unrealistic story details (as far as that is possible) and all those other annoying things in the show. I would like to be able to judge if in the respect of character arc development, D&D should be allowed to take the Black, or it should be the Black Cells uner the Red Keep with special treatment by Qyburn. Some characters have been degraded to statist with a character arc comparable to that of un-dead Gregor Clegane: Davos, Varys, Thormund, Brienne, Melisandre, Beric Dondarrion, Thoros, Qyburn, Jorah Mormont: Just put in place when needed to say a phrase or two. Not worth discussing. Some others are so incomprehensible to me that I refuse to try to analyze: Gendry, Littlefinger, Sandor Clegane, Bran Stark, Samwell Tarly, Daenerys, Jon Snow ("Pomade-Jesus"), Arya. Cersei Ruthlessness: Apparently she is supposed to appear even more ruthless than before. Which is hardly convincing, as in the previous seasons she already had attained a level practically impossible to surpass. Cleverness: Unlike in the books, the show has never shown her lack in strategic and political thinking. She appears more clever now than previously, but mainly because she has weaker siblings to compare with (Jaime until the very end uncapable to imagine how Cersei thinks, Tyrion being utterly stupid now). Madness: This trait appears clearly in the books (especially through her monologues and thoughts), it has never been a topic in the show. I imagine D&D want to make her appear mad through her ruthlessness, which in my opinion does not work. Inner conflict: Does Cersei have some "normal" human feelings in her (guilt, empathy etc.)? Maybe her pregnancy is meant to show her human side, but I am not sure D&D want to use it in that way. It seems to be that for a moment, when the discussion between her and Tyrion after the dragonpit council (part 1) seemingly has changed once he tells her he knows she was pregnant. Unfortunately the discussion scene breaks off at exactly that moment. And anyway, if she softened her position due to that, it becomes clear at the end of episode 7 that it was just a ruse (which falls then again in the categorie ruthlessness). Manipulating: She manipulates Jaime just as she has done in the seasons before. No one else to manipulate, as the whole KL court seems to consist of Jaime. => D&D try to show a development, but fail as Cersei does what she has always done. Wearing black all the time makes her look more dangerous, unfortunately everyone wears black now. Her situation as absolute monarch has (no more small council, Kevin Lannister dead, all children dead) gives her solitary power, but that is more the situation which has changed. Sansa Political and governing skills: Awkwardly introduced by her being Lady of Winterfell after Jon's depparture and her trying to Keep the Northern Lords together, recommending on armory and supply incidents (one example given for each). Her repeatedly contradicting Jon in Episode 1 and 2 in front of all Northmen is a clear sign of lack of social and political skills. Family thinking: Strange relation towards Arya and Bran after their reunion. Uncomprehensible tension and lack of communication between the two sisters, which does not convince me of Sansa being more mature now than in Season 1. Relation to Littlefinger and Brienne: uncomprehensible to me. She seeks for Littlefinger when seeking advice and she is cold and distant towards Brienne who saved her life. And I do not believe that from the beginning she was scheming the downfall of Littlefinger together with Arya. Self-Estimation: The most interesting scene for me when she blurts out (after Arya confronted her with the letter that Sansa wrote in Season 1) how regaining Winterfell was all to her credit. => Mostly awkward attempt to show Sansa as a mature woman with acquired skills of a grown up noble woman, but on the other hand substantial lack of social skills. I think the very negative shadow her self-estimation in regaining Winterfell casts on her (in my view) is in fact not really intended by D&D. At least I have the Feeling, D&D tried to develop her character, but unfortunately in a very unconvincing way and inconsistently. Tyrion Poltical and governing skills: Show Tyrion was never at the superior Level as book Tyrion from Season 4 on. Now in Season 7 he appears incompetent. Moral Guidelines: Tyrion was never ruthless as Cersei. But his main guideline for Daenerys (break the wheel and be different from all other rulers before) is never explained in Detail. what does it mean? But he sorts out theses phrases whenever he can. Even Pomade-Jesus' moral guidelines are more convincing to me. Relation to his family/siblings: On the one hand he claims, he did not want to destroy his family, on the other hand what is left are just Jaime and Cersei. He still shows feelings for Jaime, agreed, but for Cersei? Not convincing to me. And with the battle (Red Field 2) he risked Jaime's life. => I cannot see a real effort to develop Tyrion's character. D&D just use bits and pieces they believe would fit to him. The sum of it is incoherent and only explainable with Tyrion having lost a lot of his cleverness he had before. Jaime Relation/Loyalty to Cersei: He had enough elements to realize that his view of situations was unalignable to that of Cersei, but he waited until episode 7 to take the consequences and quit her. => the most logical character development, only stretching it over 7 episodes was hardly bearable. As to me, it is the Black Cells.
  8. I am afraid you still missed the point. There is no one of importance there, except Lord Royce. The Starks (Bran, Sansa, Arya) are obviously in the team of accusation, the Maester will not intervene. The joke of the scene is, the audience is practically made up of soliders.
  9. Sorry to Interrupt your interesting analysis. Watch the scene again: Number of Northmen = 1 (on words: 1). Lord Royce is Vale, Lord Baelish accused, Sansa and Arya are women, Maester - no alliance, Bran may count as Northman (he stands for the 1 above). The rest (about 30 or so) are Northern soldiers. I assume you thought of the Lords of Northern Houses when you said "honourable Northmen"?
  10. Because Sansa wanted the Vale army to be stuck in Winterfell. Shortly before the auction for teleport licenses begun, she told Lord Royce to take care of the fur inlays for armours, so he missed the auction.
  11. Tyrion said in Episode 6 (to Daenerys in Dragonstone) that Danerys Team would be protected because he told Jaime that if someone touched Daenerys their two armies and the Dragons would burn Kings Landing to the foundations. Now I wonder: The two armies in front of the gates of Kings Landing had no seach weapon in place. Even with a small content of Lannister soldiers in Kings Landing the City could not have been stormed by these two armies. Nice Dothraki screaming and nice order of the Unsullied though - clichées at its topmost. After delivering Daenerys at the dragonpit, Drogon flew away, joining Rhaegal in the sky. So no immediate threat to Cersei Team. Do Dragons have hawk eyes (and sufficient intelligence) two intervene when something goes awray? I mean a small detail like some cross-bows fired simultaniously at Dany-Team - Things would have been over in the blink of an eye. I would have assumed that Tyrion would place a bowman high on one of the pillars, from where he could shoot a fire arrow or so to give a signal instantly when necessary. Or whatever kind of communication to the armies outside the City walls. How would anyone know that something had gone wrong unless? I mean, the talks lasted several hours, without any message send to Grey Worm or so. How should he know if and when to act? why have weapons been allowed for the negotiations?
  12. It came to me: How is it possible to bring a wight to Kings Landing alive? The show itself established (not the book) that the wights were probably bound to the White Walker who raised them. But practically all such forces diminish over distance, the wight would now be several thousand miles away from his master-White Walker. And then there is the spells woven in the wall wich do not allow a dead man to pass (R.I.P Benjen). Ok, you might argue he was flown over the wall on the back of a Dragon and thus did not exactly have to pass through the wall. Nevertheless, I was actually worried about the health of that poor wight, all in the southern sun light of Kings Landing, whilst frost and darkness are the wight's preferred environment (or is it the White Walkers that Need it?). Well, anyway, Cersei should fire Ser Gregor, his bodyguard abilities are so poor. He did not move an Inch to put himself between Cersei and the wight attacking her. But maybe he was told not to move by D&D, for the sake of a better camera angle on the scene.
  13. I am afraid you are wrong here. The only Lord to be seen is Lord Royce (apart from Lord Baelish). The rest is: the Maester, Sansa, Arya, Bran. And something like 30 Northern soldiers. Had I been in Littlefinger's place, awaiting Arya's trial, I would have grown very suspicious by the audience... Not that I missed the Northern Lords, probably one of the three occasions in Season 7, that the Northern Lords should have been assembled. Maybe they would have been interested to know how the whole war started? Anyway, after the Red Wedding revenge in Episode 1, Arya really had no real occasion to prove what she learned in Braavos. I mean, she tells Sansa several times that she spend time training. So for what? Locksmith Training? Ok, she opened Littlefinger's locked room door. Spying on someone in secrecy - ahem, not so well done. Keeping it a secret to be a Faceless Man (and hide the faces well away)? Ahem, not so well done. But hey: Let us go for a real killing! I am sure only the hard training in Braavos enabled Arya to kill Littlefinger so swiftly. How would you expect Sansa to do it so deftly?
  14. Just watched the Episode. My first impressions: not only has Littlefinger's arc been developed in a poor way, they also didn't grant him an honorable show-death (comparable to Stannis). Baelish wasn't a Coward to plead for his life like that. Meeting of Samwell and Bran: well, they should have spent days discussing together to exchange knowledge etc. To grab Bran's power, Samwell should have been given time to understand it slowly. And, finally it seems Samwell listened to Gilly when she read him about Rhaegar's annulement and new marriage. In episode 5, I didn't think so. In short: material for a whole episode was stuffed into less than 5 minutes. It seems Sansa and Bran finally talked to each other, shame we did not wittness it. It seems Dany-Team did not prepare well for the negotiation. Why was everyone so upset by Jon's declaration to have bend his knee to Dany? Dany knew already. Why showing surprise then? Tyrion did not know? And why was is that tragic? I do not get it, sorry. When un-dead-Viserion was burning (or freezing ???) the wall, I thought: they (Thormund etc.) will never have a better occasion than now (with Viserion standing still in the air) to kill him with a dragonglass-tipped spear or arrow. Shame, they did not even try.