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  1. Moqorro's quote to Tyrion

    And if it is really dreagons meant? Tyrion visited the skulls of the old Dragons below the Red Keep. Bright and dark might refer to Drogon and Viseryion. And maybe one of Daenery's Dragon will turn out to be treacherous (e.g. changing sides by the horn).
  2. It's not Alys Karstark, either

    Assuming that things are as they appear (i.e. Melisandre misinterpreted her vision) makes this Episode a splendid one. It: surprises the reader makes Jon doubt Melisandre's competences reveals Melisandre's true character and weakness to the Reader (i.e. she is too eager to control Jon by impressing him, thus she gambles and sells her interpretation of her vision despite knowing herself that she could not be sure about the girl's identity opens up a nice side-story with Alys Karstark: allowing Jon to marry a Wildling to someone from Westeros putting him once again into the conflict of the Night Watch's vows not to interfere with the realm's politics In my view no need to question this nice episode based on very fragile evidence. Apart from that this would mean to make a very big deal about overlapping timelines (Mercy chapter would have to be placed well before these events).
  3. Dear members, this question has probably already been discussed. Re-reading AFFC I stumbled over a remark by Genna Lannister (while she meets Jaime at the siege of Riverrun, the chapter right before "Cat of the Canals"). At the end of their discussion they talked about Tywin: "Jaime kissed her cheek. "He left a son." "Aye, he did. That is what I fear the most in truth." That was a queer remark. "Why should you fear?" "Jaime," she said, tugging on his ear, "sweetling, I have known you since you were a babe at Joanna's breast. [...] but Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you. I said so once to your father's face, and he would not speak to me for half a year. [...]." What to make of this? Does Genna refer to Tyrion's character or does she hint at something as deep as that someone else fathered Jaime and Cersei (King Aerys)?
  4. The Most Intelligent Pre-Teen?

    I think that the proposals made are good ones. What makes Missandei differ from the others is that she is highly intelligent, but never has to prove intelligent behaviour under stress. Arya, Big Walder Frey and Bran have to make the right decision very often with their life at stake. And amongst these three until she is in Braavos (and even there to be kept by the Faceless Men) Arya is practically on her own and only survives because she takes the right decisions. Her intelligence here shows by learning quickly and following all good advice (e.g. from Syrio Forel) she has received from grown ups she has been with. So, in fact the question might be split into two: Theoretical intelligence (here Missandei would probably top) or practical intelligence (here I would put Arya first).
  5. Jon Snow = Pink Letter Writer

    No reason to ridicule the theory proposed by @Lost Umber. I personally do not think it was Jon who wrote the letter, but: I have not seen any waterproof theory on the author of the Pink Letter. Candidates I have seen in the different theories are: Stannis, Ramsay Bolton, Roose Bolton, Mance Rayder, Theon, Wyman Manderly, someone at CB (e.g. Melisandre, Jon Snow, Clydas) The questions are: Who had all Information mentioned in the letter? None of the possibel candidates disposed of all Information at a first glance. Assuming a flux of information between CB, Winterfell, Stannis' camp would solve this problem for each of the candidates Assuming that the author made a wild guess on a detail would also solve the problem. Who had a motive? A motive can be thought of for all candidates. Who had the occasion and the means to write and dipatch the letter? In principal all candidates, though for some it would have been clearly easy (paper, ink, quill, wax, raven at hand); very difficult to imagine for Theon, difficult for Mance, Lord Manderly. What really speaks again Jon being the author is that we have his POV view while reading the letter, and it would be very surprising not to get a hint through his thoughts.
  6. Let's do better than Mel

    Remarks to details. "Then the towers by the sea, crumbling as the dark tide came sweeping over them, rising from the depths. Shadows in the shape of skulls, skulls that turned to mist," Mist seems to be the Wights "Skulls that turned to mist" = dead bodies becoming wights. "The wind rose and the white mist came sweeping in" means The Others commanded the wights (mist) to attack and turned the human defenders to skulls (most probably in the next step these skulls would become mist again. As already mentioned, this pictures possibly the fight of Hardhome; the first attackers being either Ironborn or (what I think is more probable) the dead things in the water we have already heard about. Whoever the first attackers, in the end all Wildlings at Hardhome (in this vision) are dead and are resurrected as wights. Question: "Through curtains of fire great winged shadows wheeled against a hard blue sky..." Why the HARD blue sky? Does it mean the sky North of the Wall? => Daenerys' Dragons active in the fight against the Others? when the word "shadow" appears it seems to mean living things (men, animals)
  7. Why so many greenseers?

    Not to forget that someone with the talent to become a greenseer must be lucky enough to find a teacher. Bran Stark would most probably have passed as mere skinchanger had the greendreamer Jojen and Bloodraven not identified him from afar and led him to Bloodraven.
  8. Incest in ASOIAF is linked to insanity, madness (Targaryens, Cersei/Jamie). Why would GRRM let this flaw extend to the Starks? And from the characters Jon and Arya it is so far stretched to think of that (all details have been mentioned in this thread) - a sexual relation between Jon and Arya is the very last thing I would think of (as far stretched as Jon using Arya as Nissa Nissa).
  9. In http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Lyanna_Stark it say: "Prince Rhaegar won the tournament, but instead of crowning his own wife, Princess Elia Martell, as the queen of love and beauty, Rhaegar shocked those present by presenting the laurel of blue winter roses to Lyanna, placing it in her lap with the tip of his lance.[18][5] At that moment "all the smiles died".[18] Brandon Stark believed Rhaegar's action to have been a slight upon Lyanna's honor. Some people say that Robert, Lyanna's betrothed, laughed at Rhaegar's action, claiming that Rhaegar had only paid Lyanna her due; However, those closer to Robert claim that Robert brooded over the insult, and grew resentful of Rhaegar hence forth.[5] " If you are right (see the bold part marked by me in your text), why is it then, that "all the smiles died"? I mean, that is a weakness in the theories developed in this thread: If this gesture of crowning Lyanna was a sort of secret message which could only be understood by those involved (alliance of some noble houses or else), and if (as Free family reunion points out) the crowning of a woman after a tourney was not an insult, WHY DID ALL THE SMILES DIE?
  10. If Bran can effect the past

    Do you also think that Mormont's raven was skinchanged all the time he muttered words to Mormont and later to Jon Snow?
  11. If Bran can effect the past

    I never had this idea. From your point of view: How much is "almost certainly" on a scale between 0 and 100?
  12. Instant thoughts. Where is the problem?
  13. If Bran can effect the past

    There is in my opinion no proof that Bloodraven and/or Bran Stark are able to communicate through weirwoods in real time. We have the examples of Theon in front of the weirwood tree in Winterfell (while he is there with Rosse Bolton's army), whispering to him (as Theon believes); maybe also the dream about Brienne, Jaime has when leaving Harrenhal (leaning his head on a weirwood stem). Many on this Forum believe so though, I think it is worth considering. But doing more than just look into the past - I really cannot follow you there. As already said: Bloodraven it is not possible. And it would sort of destoy the whole book (turn it incredible).
  14. If Stannis took the blackwater would the war be over?

    In such a situation (Stannis has taken KL with Cersei, Joffrey, Tyrion Lannister as hostages) the answer to the question, if Stannis could hold this position would in my opinion depend on these things: does Stannis have now more an better arguments to push his claim to the throne confession by Cersei proof of Lannister incest by documents left by Ned Stark/Jon Arryn witnesses to the official reading of Robert Baratheon's last will by Barristan Selmy help by Varys and/or Littlefinger who both know the truth how strong is the alliance between Tyrell's and Lannisters Lannisters are not well loved if the Tyrells switched side at this moment they could be sure to be on the winning side communication with Robb Stark if Stannis would pardon Robb (from his point of view for Robb's treasoning act declaring himself King of the North) thus win Robb for an alliance Robb would be a huge threat to the Westerlands while Tywin was bound to stay close to KL getting contact to Dorne promising them revenge for the Lannister crimes if they move North (in the back of the Lannister/Tyrell army) If Stannis would succeed in only two of the above mentioned four points, I think he would win the war.
  15. Why did the Others awaken NOW?

    I do not believe that the awakening or coming-to-move of The Others is caused by any of the events we have witnessed in the books of ASOIAF. I think GRRM has a sort of cycle of on a much larger time-scale in mind. In "The Hedge Knight" it says: "The summers have been shorter since the last dragon died, and the winters longer and crueler." The balance of the seasons thus seems to be linked directly to the existence of the Targaryen dragons. The imbalance started after the Dance of the Dragons, i.e. around 150 AC.