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  1. I'm really hoping we can trust GRRMs world that he wrote a fantasy novel. I can't say anything about d and d because I had never contact with those sort of things (unless Terry Pratchett wrote d and d, or Tolkien did...). I always think of magic as either something inherent to the body/ soul of a person which enables them to alter reality in a way that goes against science (like breaking the first law of thermodynamics) or an ability to influence an energy around them with rituals, recipes, stubbornness, willpower or exactly phrased and ritualized pleas to this energy. The magical thing of the latter would be that our world lacks that energy and because of that isn't included in science. (But I really hate the idea that magic is just some strange form of futuristic/ extremely advanced technology. Because then magic only seems like magic but isn't magic and I want magic and not just things that look like magic.)
  2. Me too. The proof of Dragons in Westeros before Valyria could be sceletons of Wyverns...
  3. That would be cool. I'm hoping that the genetic engineering was done with magic and that genetics on Planetos work a little bit different than on our world (just to spice things up a bit).
  4. My initial idea was that there were two ways to get dragon eggs, first make them with magic (out of carved rock/ volcanic stone) and second through normal reproduction of adult Dragons. It was never clear to me if they hatched in the wild (without any sort of human help/ interaction/ blood sacrifice) of if they were hatched in the crib or otherwise by humans but then they didn't take on a rider and became "wild". What is your opinion? That could be the case, especially because magic isn't really understood. So your opinion is that magic stops the mechanics of evolution? Will it then also stop inbreeeding depression and problems related with inzest in Tragaryens because they have some magic too? That would be very interesting (dead babies sired/ concieved by Targaryens)... Reproducion in Dragons: the whole process from copulation to hatching. Hatching them through a blood sacrifice (by Dany maybe even the sacrifice of a human life) or because humans are near would mean that the hatching process is dependent on humans. In my opinion you need a blood sacrifice from a human (for me a human sacrifice, but my wording was maybe poor) and a fire of sorts to hatch a dragon egg. "Fire and Blood." But I'm not sure if the fire has to be literal or if a strong "inner fire" could be the key.
  5. That would be great, then I would have one point less on my Makes no sense/ immersion problem list.
  6. Cloned organism can reproduce, they are still made by humans. Dragons could have been made so, that they can reproduce, that would be very efficient. But they don't hatch in the wild. There is no wild dragon population but if they are a evolved specied that wasn't altered by humans or made by humans, there should be a wild population. There are still wolves even when we have dogs. There are populations of wild horses whose ancestors were domesticated but had been set free because of a war or a catastrophe. Dedomestication exists. My conclusion is that they are not a naturally evolved species, that Dragons can't hatch on their own without help from humans. Important questions to ask if you look at the evolution of a species is: Why? Why would they adapt this way? How does this increase their fitness? So why would Dragons adapt to loose their ability to reproduce without a human sacrifice? Why would they nest in a volcano? Why aren't their eggs immune to extreme heat an force if they do nest in volcanoes? How does losing the ability to hatch their own eggs (if they evolved to having a need for human sacrifice) better their ability to pass on their genes to the next generation? It makes no sense.
  7. The problem with sheep is that they get killed really easy, in Switzerland a wolf or a pack of wolves (nobody is sure which yet) killed 45 sheep in the last 15 days on 3 farms. Sheep even die because the enivronment is too steep (they fall over cliffs). Really big herds of sheep need either a safe environment without predators (like wild dogs, bears, wolves or big cats) or more or less constant supervision. I always envisioned the farming in the north as semi-nomadic, like in the Alps. In summer the people with herds will go to pastures that are useless in winter (it the Alps those are in the mountains, in Spain it's to more rainy regions and in Westeros going up north). Transhumance, yay. In the eurasian steppe you will find many people who are nomadic and follow their large herds. In Iceland they don't have predators and naturally closed borders so they chase a part of their sheep herds inland in spring and let them be for summer (and they need many horses to bring all sheep home). The fields in the south would then be free for farming or for making hay, and in winter they can maybe even used for grazing (if you have a tree cover). And those people in the Alps all had a winter job too like silk weaving or making lace. I wonder what the people do in a year long winter? So yeah, I always thaught the North had a steady populance that farms (mostly in the warmer regions) and a wandering one that keeps animals. And that they either have houses with really thick stone walls (like the Engadinerhaus: or if it's too cold in winter for stone buildings (like in some parts of Russia) they build their houses in wood (with a double entry to keep the warmth in). As for the Long Lake, there could be a steady and even rather big populance on the shore if doesn't freeze solid in winter. Then you can fish even in winter, and provide food this way. Like at the Baikal lake. The same on the coast: you can fish even in winter, and maybe there are whales and seals to hunt. Lakes are really cool too because you can ship your wares over water, which is easier than to cart the same amount of goods (especially with bad roads). That made rivers in Europe such a good place to put your city, an easy way to transport goods and an easy way to demand fees.
  8. I've had an idea, and here it is. I don't know if it even makes sense or if this has been discussed before, but if not... There is one big inconsistency when one looks at Dragons as a naturally evolved species. The apparent impossibility of Dragon Eggs hatching on their own. There isn't a wild dragon population in Valyria after the Doom. As a species that evolved around volcanos it makes sense that Dragon Eggs should be able to whitstand an eruption (the other way would be that they produce hundred of eggs so that some would survive a eruption). And we know that the Doom of Valyria didn't destroy everything completly otherwise there would be no adventurers trying to loot the place. But there aren't any wild Dragons, just intense heat form active volcanos doesn't seem to be enough to hatch Dragon Eggs. Human sacrifice does seem to be another requierment for an Egg to hatch. But if that is so (if the species has evolved around humans) who were those humans before Dragon Eggs were discovered in the Fourteen Fires? Just some random people Dragons took, then let them bleed out over their nests? And if Dragons do this to hatch Dragon Eggs why did they stop after the Dance of the Dragons? Did they forget the instinct because they were stunted even if they were able to produce healthy eggs? Or was it never the Dragons that hatched the Eggs, but always humans? Either in some Eragon style thing in which humans ensured that no Dragon can hatch without the help of a human who knows the right magic. Which would be pretty strange because in Eragon this is tied to magic that binds Rider and Dragon together but in ASOIAF we know that hatching a Dragon and binding yourself to a Dragon as a Rider aren't the same thing (as Dragons are inherited). So why would they ensure that only humans can hatch Dragon Eggs if it would be much easier and less costly if they do it on their own? Unless the Dragons we learn of in ASOIAF are beings made with magic by humans. Either because they died out long ago or were never a naturally existing species. All the myths of Dragons before Valyria was founded (the first Dragons were hatched by them) could easily have been Wyverns. The grain of truth in the myth that Dragon Eggs were found inside the Fourteen Fires could be that volcanic stone is needed to make Dragon Eggs. That and blood magic/ human sacrifices (the Blood of the Dragon, Fire and Blood). These new creatures made by magic were likely modelled after an extinct species or Wyverns, but with fire from the volcanos in them. To make it more cost efficient those creatures can breed and change their gender, but as beings of magic there is always some magic needed to hatch them. They are made exactly so that some human lines can bond with them and control them better, which makes them more efficient and the humas more powerful and more successfull. The reason the Targaryens settled on Dragonstone is because it is an active volcano, and as such a precious resource of volcanic stone (and heat). It is the place where you take the stone to make Dragon Eggs. Otherwise they could have easily settled on the Stepstones or take another place as their "head quarter". (This could also mean that Aegon III was trying to make Dragon Eggs and not just hatch them. Those three Eggs laid by the last living Dragon could have been faulty, they could have tried to hatch them before on Dragonstone in the volcano. Which would be the smart thing to try before setting a house on fire. Normally one takes measures to ensure nothing unwanted begins to burn when making a very big, very hot fire... How could Summerhall even happen? Maybe they sold the faulty eggs, which in the right hands (Dany) hatched because she has the magic in her. Or she got the newly made eggs from Summerhall, which her family made a big and recent sacrifice for.)
  9. The first post, ASOIAF won't show my pictures...
  10. Like I said you need the thumb to count. The other 4 fingers have each 3 visible phalanges, 3x4=12 (or dozen).
  11. Thank you, I didn't even think of 9 because that is clearly Tolkiens number for me, why would he use that? But of course he uses it... So 9 in our world is interesting too: in the celtic mythology it is the number for the whole universe, in chinese mythology/ numerology it's the number of dragons (magic and might) and nine springs represent the realm of death. I always read the bronze/ iron crown as a nod to the Bronze Age and Iron Age, a way to show how old these traditions are. Christ died in the ninth hour... But these numbers don't really translate one to one, it seems like the same numbers are important but the meaning is shifted (dragons: from 9 to 3; gods: from 3 to seven; etc.). Human sacrifice was a response to natural disaster, if a king could'nt guarantee a good harvest you kill him to appease the gods. Ragnarök isn't just the death of an old world but the birth of a new one too, 2 humans survive and a old god is reborn/ a new god rises and it is unclear if Evil survives or not (Tolkien choose the interpretation that Evil won't survive).
  12. Thank you, so we have a great hero (Last Hero/ Athur), twelve companions/ knights, and even a Excalibur just from another prophecy...
  13. If you use your thumb to count, and count not the fingers but the phalanges you can count up to 12 with one hand (24 with both hands).
  14. I'm looking into the importance of numbers in ASOIAF. Especially the numbers 3, 7 and 12. In our world we have a christian god with three aspects (Father/ Son/ Holy Spririt), in ASOIAF we have a god with seven aspects (Father/ Warrior/ Smith/ Stranger/ Maid/ Mother/ Crone) or the seven members of the Kingsguard but three is important with Dany (dragon heads, prophecies, etc.), Patchface and others. Seven in our world is loaded with mythological, legendary, religious and even historical meaning. And twelve is similarily important (twelve olympic gods, months, knights of the round table, highest number you can count with one hand, etc.) but I haven't found anything equally meaningful in ASOIAF (besides years/ ages of a person, which isn't that great). Has anyone found anything interesting? Or do you find other numbers important? 3: Three Heads of the Dragon, Patchface's mumblings, Dany's prophecies 7: Father/ Warrior/ Smith/ Stranger/ Maid/ Mother/ Crone, Kingsguard 12: ???