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  1. Do you have a link to that article?
  2. Thanks for your post. You've shown the narrow ground between culturally encouraged traits and an individual illness in Cersei's character. I support your view, especially your reluctance to call someone "crazy". I still don't get how people can be so sure about that.
  3. Being wed to someone for about 15 years, who proudly killed your crush that you had since you were six.
  4. Thanks for your reply, Bernie. I share your understanding of the characters. Only we have seen in the past that a more literal understanding sometimes turned out to become true as well. Take Catelyn's heart like a stone which prepared for her return as Lady Stoneheart. Tywin's you are my son/ you are not my son's regarding Tyrion and Jaime might serve the same purpose if one of them is indeed fathered by Aerys. With Jon's heritage there is a similar problem regarding witnesses. Many readers expect Bran to find out. But in his dreams Jon already struggles with his Stark-identity and dragons play no big part in them. Jaime's dreams are quite related to Jon's: passage ways, dead fathers, fire, ... So maybe GRRM wants the bastards to find out on their own and be met halfway by someone who can offer help. Pycelle's and Kevan's deaths might be a way to share further knowledge. You know, Pycelle's deathbed was a certain leather-bound tome, a term which was often used to describe Grand Maester Malleon's book on the lineages of the great houses. This is the very situation in which Varys praises fAegon's Targaryen looks and education as ruler. Maybe Pycelle here had to be stopped to speak with Kevan about Targaryen's loss of looks when married to other houses and how a bastard Cersei might be fit to rule without Tyrells - even if that means to reveal that his beloved Tywin indeed ate from another man's trencher? All those interrupted talks, dissociative dreams and allusions of a royal love triangle combined there are strong hints for Targ twins. And with AFFC 2005, ADWD 2011 and TWOIAF 2014 we have an increase of such notion.
  5. It's very likely we'll learn more about Joanna's relation to Aerys, given only the last two books revealed tidbits of that past. AFFC had a Jaime (not) dreaming about whether he really knew his father and ADWD has a Daenerys asking Barristan about the father she never knew, learning about Aery's liberties with Joanna. AFFC gave us insight in all three Lannister children's confidence to be the true child of Tywin, but the very same time this confidence is disturbed for the reader. It now appears like Tywin was unable to see Tyrion as the true clever Lannister he always was, whereas Cersei's perception of herself as lioness of Casterly Rock and Jaime's failure as loyal heir of his house might turn out wrong as well if they are Aery's bastards. So no, the twins don't seem to suspect anything about their mother's relationship to the king. But since we're promised to see Casterly Rock in TWOW where all three, Tywin, Joanna and Aerys, were together in the year after the twin's birth, there might be something to discover for either Cersei, Jaime or Tyrion. There might be talk. Aunt Genna's insistance about Tyrion as true son of Tywin certainly feels a bit odd, given Tyrion's bad reputation after Joffrey's murder.
  6. I'd love to read it. I'm interested to find out about Brienne's Holy Grail. There's still that numb feeling, our female Percival might only find a very twisted version of the grail, such as the Kiss of Life. It would make her life longer and she would become a Holy Grail herself when she passes that kiss to someone else.
  7. I won't argue this romance isn't already there. It is.. as for Jaime and Brienne, Tyrion and Penny. This is something GRRM seems to like, repetition, so the reader can't be sure which of his eggs will actually hatch. And in which way is also interesting, since a real twist would have to add something to the Beauty & Beast theme. Sandor and Sansa If the Beast never transforms into a beautiful prince, the Beauty has to accept an inner change only. Sandor humanizes when he the dog doesn't obey his master Joffrey, but abandons the dog helmet and restrains from further killing by becoming gravedigger. As little bird Sansa becomes dehumanized by the Beast. A bird just sings what it had learned, there is no message. Sansa needs to change here, since Sandor already had. Maybe this Beast won't need the Beauty in the end? Can this be GRRM's twist? Jaime and Brienne Two Beasts actually. Brienne declared Jaime as Beast the first time they talked because of all the wrongs he did. But in those wrongs she discovers the hidden beauty of a man whose deeds gain him no honor, who loves against all odds and who wins in a situation others would see as loss. Brienne, compared to sows, cows and other beasts, is far from serving her purpose as a woman. Her lack of beauty is even troublesome for rapers, who draw lots who'll have to look at her face. Other than Sandor and Sansa there are two POVs for this pairing. Jaime becomes a corrective to Septa Roelle's (or: real) thesis that truth comes from the looking glass and not the tongues of men. As it happens Jaime admires Brienne's special features more than any other man would and more than she knows. Maybe GRRM likes to explore an deep inversion of the B&B theme here? If the hints are right, Jaime is a Targaryen, becoming ever so more shiny. Brienne on the other hand became even more disfigured by Biter and maybe more brutalized if she's indeed already undead. This would be Twilight for grownups, dark stuff... and a challenge to describe sex equally from two perspectives, male and female, which is a topic in the fandom. Tyrion and Penny Miniature Beauty and the Beast. Tyrion is damaged outside and inside when Penny meets him, a loving and beautiful little woman. Their dynamic resembles the classic theme the most, since Tyrion believes he has to force himself unto women, whereas she gives love willingly. Beauty and the Beast, as I understand it, is about belittling expectations to be able to love another person truely. Even if both of them weren't literally little, that dynamic fits. Tyrion's father cursed his heir with the idee fixe that women are just looking for his money and this turns Tyrion into a monster. No woman fell for him or his wealth in years. Without love he had nothing to give but money... and that sex slave got not even that. Only loosing this gold and Lannister pride by playing the fool earned Tyrion Penny's affection. It won't change into something other than being a dwarf, though, something Tyrion still can't embrace. Maybe GRRM wants to make a big theme little, since the Beast here is one of the most beloved characters of the series and the Beauty is close to a joke? Note also that all three pairings are connected in several ways. It's going to be interesting how these parallel romances work out in the end.
  8. This is so OT and I wish we could on with a more artistical focus on that matter, but your expectation towards the LGBT community is a bit too hurting to just skip it. Since I am sure that this was not your intention, please let me mention that those comparisons with pedophilia, incest and bestiality were traditionally used to make homosexuality look like the very begin of the downfall of the human race in favour for sexual choices. But being gay, lesbian or whatever doesn't touch matters such as children rights, birth control or animal rights. When parents fall in love with their own children, those children are dependent in a way no relationship of free choice is. Same with siblings - it's not easy to break up if the relationship doesn't work for both, if you feel a duty towards your family.
  9. My pardon, but most of the posts feel off-theme for me. The OP asked for the poetical purpose of incest in the series. What you or GRRM might find acceptable sexual manners is hardly an answer to that question.
  10. It is. I hope I live long enough to see this stuff become a looong big movie. It can be done once the books are out.
  11. We don't disagree on that. What I meant to say was, that Cersei brought herself in pretty the same situation Brienne is as heir of Tarth. With Jaime joining the Kingsguard and Tyrion inacceptable as Lord of Casterly Rock for Tywin, all she would need to do is to set up a crime, any crime, in which her youngest brother is involved to become heir herself.
  12. Incest in the series as I read it, also represents a concept of love as ownership. Your parents can marry you to anyone they like (Craster marries his daughters to himself), your sibling's sex or age can spoil your career (Viserys thinking of Daenerys as his whore; Cersei taking away Jaime's birthright), all legally as long as it doesn't come down to kinslaying. This is hypocritical as there is no way out of this "love" and this extends to pretty much every marriage in Westeros. No divorce, no way out. Incest underlines this lack of personal space... "two parts of a whole" becomes contradicted in Jaime's case, who is not willing to die the way he came, but finds himself another part to become whole.
  13. I agree with all given explanations. As GRRM said in interviews he writes a fantasy story which plot is not driven by magic abilities, but by conflicts of the human heart confronted with various historical settings. But as this doesn't balance out the offense you feel by reading of incest, I briefly share my thought: Craster incest = accumulation of resources in a life threatening environment Targaryen incest = preservation of power in a latently hostile environment Lannister incest = narcissistic love in an exclusive environment Incest shines up as a fear to share, to really open up, as dead end longterm. The varieties refer to each other, too.
  14. On the eighteenth night of their journey, the wine was a rare sweet amber from the Summer Isles that he had brought all the way north from Casterly Rock, and the book a rumination on the history and properties of dragons. With Lord Eddard Stark’s permission, Tyrion had borrowed a few rare volumes from the Winterfell library and packed them for the ride north. Tyrion reads about dragonbone during his journey. Back in Winterfell this was his reading: Tyrion shut the heavy leatherbound cover on the book he was reading, a hundred -old discourse on the changing of the seasons by a long-dead maester. (...) “I’m off to break my fast. See that you return the books to the shelves. Be gentle with the Valyrian scrolls, the parchment is very dry. Ayrmidon’s Engines of War is quite rare, and yours is the only complete copy I’ve ever seen.”
  15. This always troubled me, too. Of course, books are easy to inflame but so is hay. Especially Tyrion saving a dragon book from being burned by taking it with him to the Wall is quite notable in that context.