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  1. poor Tom Hagen
  2. A couple catelyn/littlefinger related questions: 1) in AGOT, when Catelyn arrives at KL, the guards how her a seal, the mockingbird, and she recognizes it as LF's. How did she know that was his personal sigil when she hadn't seen him since he left riverrun after his duel with Brandon? 2) also in AGOT, when she meets LF in KL she asks LF "Does Varys know about..." What do you think she is asking about?
  3. The making of valyrian steel
  4. The making of valerian steel
  5. When you say four dragons produced from three lives (or four if you include Mirri), whose lives are you including? Are you including the stallion's life? Not Drogo's stallion, but the stallion that was sacrificed (chosen by Rakharo) as part of the fire ritual.
  6. I wonder what Aemon means when he says "...showing her the way...". I know he's talking about guiding her, but does he "know the way"? How can you show someone the way without knowing the way.
  7. About Jeyne and the size of her hips, GRRM has said he made a mistake when describing her hips differently through Jaime's POV. Here is the SSM I think that throws a wrench into the theory of Jeyne possibly pregnant and the descriptions being of two different girls.
  8. The more I consider Ned's TOJ dream the more I believe that the dialogue is not to be taken literally (i.e. I don't believe that actual conversation took place between Ned and the KG) rather it strikes me that the dialogue is a big fat "look here" arrow from GRRM to the reader. I think he's telling the reader that this is something important. He's basically saying, reader, why weren't these KG at the Trident, why weren't they with Aerys, why aren't they on Dragonstone with Viserys, why are they here? As I write this, a few thoughts come to mind 1) I think others have said much the same in earlier posts to this thread, 2) I think my little interpretation is so obvious that I assume many others, who have spent many more years in ASOIAF than I, have likely already pointed this out. I am not trying to represent this as earth shattering news.
  9. I think Sandor plays the role of a hound perfectly in that he obeys his masters commands until he reaches his breaking point. Were his intentions towards Sansa honourable or did he see her as a potential hostage? I think some of both actually. I don't think he would have forced himself on her or rape her, based upon his past interactions with her and based upon his interactions with Arya, who he could have done whatever he wanted to. But if he left KL he would need some money and probably wouldn't mind trading Sansa back to the Starks for some good gold coin. If he wanted Sansa strictly for a hostage though he could have just taken her from KL, which leads me to conclude his intentions were honourable than not. I like the point about how the outside world could see the Joffrey-Sansa relationship in a much different light than what it was, how it could have been romanticized, because we, as readers, have been exposed to the true goings on. I'd like to know the true goings on re: Rhaegar and Lyanna. I'm afraid we may not get all that we want to see. Going back to the original OP, how much of Ned's TOJ dream can be relied upon? When the author himself tells us to not take the dream at its face, then we're left trying to decipher (or guess) at what really happened. I have a feeling (or a guess) that the true dialogue will be much different than what Ned dreams. I believe that Ned arrived at the TOJ with his 6 friends. I believe the KG were there. I believe there was a fight of some kind. I don't believe that Ned and HR, alone, pulled down that tower. But that dialogue in the dream seems too precise to be a true replay of what was actually said. I think GRRM was sending us, the readers, a message in those words; a message that I am currently too dense to decipher... maybe another day.
  10. This is just not accurate, as Snowfyre already addressed--even from the point of view of RLJ skepticism, good faith discussion of the text will acknowledge that Lyanna is to be understood by the reader as Rhaegar's hostage (with his motivations for taking her hostage elaborated on by Robert and Bran) during Robert's Rebellion. I think you just proved JNR's point. "...Lyanna is to be understood by the reader..." does not mean those understandings are true, which I think is the point JNR is making. My apologies to JNR if I am misrepresenting your point. Lyanna may have been Rhaegar's hostage, depending upon the reliability of statements made by certain characters, but other characters describe Rhaegar's love for Lyanna, which may be evidence against that. As an example - Sansa remembers the Hound kissing her. That is a fact (i.e. that she remembers this). Of course, it is not a fact that the Hound actually kissed her. So the fact that she remembers is actually not true, but we, as readers, only know this because we saw the event as it actually played out. We, as readers, did not see Rhaegar carry away Lyanna, so we don't know what actually happened. We are left to imagine what occurred and compose our understandings based upon intentionally incomplete information. Likewise, we, as readers, do not see what actually transpires at the TOJ. We don't know who arrived when, what they did, when they left, or if at all. We, again, are left to our imaginations to compose our understandings based upon intentionally incomplete information.
  11. Searching "golden sword" on A search of Ice and Fire reveals many references (by Sansa, Tyrion, Catelyn, Eddard and Jaime himself) to Jaime having a golden sword. From ACOK - Catelyn VII (Jaime speaking) "Kingslayer," he pronounced carefully. "And such a king he was!" He lifted his cup. "To Aerys Targaryen, the Second of His Name, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm. And to the sword that opened his throat. A golden sword, don't you know. Until his blood ran red down the blade. Those are the Lannister colors, red and gold." Jaime, himself, refers to opening Aerys' throat with his golden sword.
  12. I apologize if this question has been asked before, but in Bran III of ADWD I came across the following passage: The last greenseer, the singers called him, but in Bran's dreams he was still a three-eyed crow. When Meera Reed had asked him his true name, he made a ghastly sound that might have been a chuckle. "I wore many names when I was quick, but even I once had a mother, and the name she gave me at her breast was Brynden." I've seen many times in these novels where the word "quicken" has the meaning of to make alive. So, when Bloodraven tells us he wore many names when he was "quick", does he mean he wore many names when he was alive? Is he telling us he is not alive now?
  13. The thing about Varys that always made me wonder is how in the hell did Aerys ever hear of him? Who told Aerys about Varys and why? Varys was a thief in Esso's while Aerys was refusing to leave the Red Keep. It seems strange to me that Aerys, on his own, would ever hear about Varys.
  14. Velo-Knight, the one thing I wonder about is when Varys refers to "for the children" is he referring to all the children of the world, in general, or is he referring to, in an inner monologue way, some specific children? We don't know. On instigating Robert's Rebellion, I don't see it that way. There certainly were many factors that were bubbling about, which included the deteriorating relationship between Rhaegar and Aerys, but I don't think (and could certainly be wrong) that Varys was the one who caused Brandon Stark to charge headlong into KL demanding for Rhaegar. And I don't think Varys was whispering in Aerys' ear to roast Rickard Stark, or suggesting that they demand Jon Arryn bring Aerys the heads of Robert and Ned. Those particular acts were far more important in causing Robert's Rebellion.
  15. Quote "Did your fires show you where to find this girl?" "I saw water. Deep and blue and still, with a thin coat of ice just forming on it. It seemed to go on and on forever." The very next line in the book says "Long Lake". You think the person in Mel's vision is someone other than Alys Karstark making her way to Castle Black?