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  1. It may be picking nits, but AFAIK only Philippa Gregory, the author of The White Queen (and the Red Queen, and the White Princess, etc.,) calls it the Cousin's War While I definitely agree that the brother Baratheon are inspired by the York brothers, and I admire Edward IV, I would not characterize his reign as so tranquil - he was deposed by the Kingmaker in favor of Henry VI in 1470-71, and one assumes the attendant fighting before and after means his reign had a least one significant disturbance. I don't really see the situation as a direct parallel, though: real Edward married Elizabeth Woodville, a beautfiul woman (like Cersei) but one of scandalously low breeding - while the Lannisters are as noble as it gets and even the name is Lancaster-inspired. Yet, if the Baratheons are Yorks, surely the Targaryens are Lancasters - the dynasty they overthrew. I think GRRM is taking themes and characters and remixing them, not copying outright. I do agree, though, that glimpses of destiny can be seen in this. No, I don't believe that, and since the preponderance of evidence strongly implicates Richard in the murder of the Princes in the Tower, I would be horrified if she did. I don't think the comparison holds. I do like the idea of a gender-swapped Henry & Elizabeth, but I think the big argument against Dany as Tudor is that the Tudor claim was from a bastard lineage. Tudor's mother was a Beaufort, a name given to the bastard children of John of Gaunt (Henry VI's great-grandfather and the Duke of Lancaster) after John married his mistress. The Beauforts were legitimized but variously barred from the succession and demoted in it; Tudor's claim was raised because all the legitimate Lancasters were dead. Interestingly, Henry's paternal grandfather, Owen Tudor, had become the second husband to Queen Catherine of France, wife of Henry V and mother of Henry VI (yes, the same woman from the play), so Edmund and Jasper Tudor were half-brothers to Henry VI on that side as well. This didn't carry any particular rights to the English throne, but the marriage of Tudor and Beaufort is always a fascinating example of the way that nobles would try to consolidate their extended family claims. Anyways, we have one character in the story who is extremely associated with bastardy and a connection to a dead/dying dynasty - Jon Snow. Dany is legitimate (in fact, she's the most widely acknowledged Targaryen in the series). Plus, Jon is from the North, a region that is similar to Scotland, but in being under-developed and different in culture relative to the rest of the kingdom might have something in common with Wales - famously the origin of the Tudor name and lineage. I suspect the story will likely combine elements of the Wars of the Roses, but not copy them verbatim, any more than Robert, Stannis and Renly are copies of Edward, Richard and George.
  2. Tyrion's killing of Tywin was an over reaction?

    So what you're saying is that you, a 21st century reader of these books, prefer the moral system of a world where Tywin Lannister goes unpunished to our own? Next you'll be saying that Jeyne Poole should stop whimpering so much at what her lord husband is doing to her.
  3. Oily black stone

    It makes the world feel more real that there are stories claiming various items are ancient heirlooms with a magic and mysterious past, since in real life people did and continue to do that. Fantasy is exciting because sometimes the ancient myths turn out to be true, but I disagree that they all have to be so. In fact, it makes the mysteriousness all the more tantalizing. I'll believe the story is true either if GRRM shows us more, or if Bran looks fondly on that time Old Nan told him about the throne that came from the sea.
  4. Oily black stone

    Or they'll conclude it's a baseless myth that makes the world more exciting, because people make up stories like that all the time?
  5. Rhaegar wasn't polygamous, he was dumping Elia for Lyanna

    As for Tywin, so he doesn't take his ball and go home - and so he doesn't try and maneuver some third outcome, which is not impossible for a player of the Game with his skill and resources. As for Lyanna, I do not believe he did.
  6. Rhaegar wasn't polygamous, he was dumping Elia for Lyanna

    Lyanna would not work to ally with Rickard, Cersei would be far better. Less scandal - broken marriage, but not betrothal Brings in another power bloc, specifically bound to Rhaegar if Lyanna goes, the Stormlands leave Rhaegar's bloc. Lyanna doesn't work as a political choice, because if Rhaegar was thinking politically, he might have observed that the lords were already allying, presumably in fear of his father, so he doesn't need to marry in. Instead he can promise for Cersei, spread the rumor that Jaime will be released from the KG, and ask Hoster to keep Lysa free "because he has an excellent prospect who will be ready to marry soon". That way, Rhaegar and Tywin buy into a bigger marriage alliance web, which contains cousin Robert and Tywin. Rhaegar was not taking Lyanna to make her his new queen.
  7. Rhaegar wasn't polygamous, he was dumping Elia for Lyanna

    Disagree. The information we're presented with about Rhaegar is admittedly very contradictory, but I struggle to believe the brilliant, well-read, thoughtful young man almost all of his peers agree on was motivated by prophecy alone - and if he was that convinced, why didn't he fight his original engagement and marriage? I don't think love was his motive, but I do think love happened. It is widely believed that Harrenhal was his first attempt at a coup that would appoint him regent, a king in all but name.
  8. Rhaegar wasn't polygamous, he was dumping Elia for Lyanna

    I still think the best explanation is neither Rhaegar or Lyanna had any intention to elope, to have a relationship, or anything: Rhaegar came because Aerys found out she was tKotLT, and events spiraled beyond either of their control.
  9. The Most Intelligent Adult?

    What kind of intelligent? Tywin and Doran are quite cunning, but have clearly limited emotional intelligence and are totally unable to realize the emotional states and inner worlds of their children, and that contributes to their plans unravelling. Compare Tywin to Roose Bolton, who like Tywin is quite abusive to his family - but Roose is able to use that to his advantage, where Tywin eventually pushes his son to patricide. Based on a general intelligence encompassing strategy, emotional stability, self-discipline, and intellectual attainment, my list is: Varys Maester Aemon Galazza Galare Roose Bolton Brynden Rivers / Bloodraven Mance Rayder Rhaegar Targaryen Petyr Baelish / Littlefinger Tyrion Lannister Tywin Lannister Barbrey Dustin Melisandre Stannis Baratheon Lothar Frey Walder Frey Catelyn Stark Eddard Stark Bobby B Theon Greyjoy Hizdahr zo Loraq Brandon Stark
  10. [Theory] Aerys was skinchanger

    No.
  11. Targaryen Madness is an Exaggeration

    I agree with your basic premise, but I'm not sure this argument is very convincing. My first look at that list was to go, "hmmm, what's the common denominator here?". Furthermore, the most famous madman in the series, Aerys, is the product of a Targaryen-Targaryen sibling union. I think you touched on a better point: as you say, the Targaryens are one of, if not the most high profile family in ASOIAF. We should expect to see more mad Targaryens than anyone else, because we see more Targaryens than anyone else, and in any given group of people, some will have mental health issues. I also agree, many of the "Mad" Targaryens have other mental health issues. The simple dichotomy of "mad or not" is not a very useful framework for thinking about mental illness, IMO, though it makes sense in-universe, I think George had done a decent job of showing a wide diversity of people with different psychological, emotional, and learning issues of varying severity in and without House Targaryen.
  12. Does Varys know about Jon Snow's parentage?

    I really hope Varys doesn't, and I hope LF doesn't as well - I know some people consider it cliche, but how amusing would it be for the series to end and it's revealed that Ned Stark pulled one over Littlefinger and Varys?
  13. Dany, blood of the Dragom?

    your 1/2 Dayne quote only makes sense because we don't know who Dyanna Dayne's ancestors were. Since House Dayne has no known culture of incest, it doesn't make sense to believe that she is "pure Dayne". Purity of blood really ins't a thing, and the more closely you look at family and inheritance, the more obvious that is. The only things you really can look at are unbroken lines, and your respective place in them; and general composition of your family and community, which says something about the environment your ancestors and eventually you grow up in. The fractional concept is interesting here, because it really shows how the idea of being a pure member of any single group (other than the great human family) is total nonsense.
  14. Just Rhaegar and Lyanna things

    Hi! Welcome to the forum! I'm not sure Lyanna's personality supports the "convinced to prophecy" argument - she's strong, willful, and probably doesn't like being reduced to a vessel for Rhaegar to create the destiny child. This is one of the biggest problems with the "Prophecy, then love" argument for me: it just doesn't seem likely that she'd be sympathetic to that sort of argument, and even as the reader, seeing characters have for-real prophetic visions and magic powers, still aren't sure who's the destined prince/princess. Rhaegar might be likable, intelligent, and convincing, but it seems pretty out-of-character for Lyanna to go along with. Now, this could support the more sinister "Robert-was-right, but-Rhaegar-was-trying-to-fulfill-the-prophecy" narrative, where Lyanna really was abducted. I agree that, whatever feelings they may have had (I suspect there may have been a bit of a mutual crush there, but we can't know unless we see more about the tourney at Harrenhal, which seems unlikely) weren't the only reason they acted, though. It's just too rash, and inconsistent with a man like Rhaegar, who's been slowly trying to put a plot together against his father only to have it fail at the last minute. I think the more likely answer is some set of unknown, external circumstances (such as Aerys discovering she was the Knight of the Laughing Tree and sending men to arrest her) forced Lyanna and Rhaegar together, and by the time that situation was resolved, the conflict was beyond defusing. Close proximity during a period of extended excitement, stress, hardship and adventure make for a pretty plausible way for them to have fallen truly in love, as well.
  15. Will the Real Varys Please Stand Up?

    Most seemingly illogical ideological ventures have had a healthy component of self-interest in them by their leaders, who are typically the ones deciding to make said ruthless choices. Well, in Syria you have a nightmare because some people are struggling for their freedom, some to impose a theocracy, and some to reimpose dictatorship. I wouldn't say that it's actually that idealistic: if I had to guess, most people who protested the MENA dictatorships over the last few years probably just want to have people stop being disappeared and brutalized. I don't know how much that's a pie-in-the-sky dream and how much it's a "I want to not have a government that uses chemical weapons on my family / neighbors / the next town over". Ok, but doesn't Occam's Razor suggest a simpler explanation, that the perfect prince story isn't the whole story? After all, Varys may think that makes Aegon worthy of kingship, but he may also think it's good PR and makes for an effective ruler - which, if he's got some other interest in Aegon, might just be protecting his investment.