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  1. The Targs cut down Rickard and Brandon Stark. Darry was where Lady was killed and Nymeria was set loose. Think you're right...
  2. LF using the Targ tapestries to claim Targ loyalty only works if he doesn't know about Varys being behind Aegon. LF: "I've been a good loyal Targ dude all along and just couldn't proclaim it publically. See my tapestries?" Varys: "Horsesh**" Aegon: "Well I've know Varys a long time and don't know you at all, LF, so...."
  3. I think this is a good line of thinking. The hunting tapestries might be from the Targs and Robert just moved them to the throne room after removing the dragon skulls. For this to happen though, the hunting scenes would have to not have any Targs or Targ references which is conceivable. I know in real life, some tapestries had stitching which functioned as a code to hide secrets, but I don’t see anything about this in the books and I don’t think this is common knowledge for the reader so I highly doubt this is the importance of the tapestries. I did some research into ASOIAF’s tapestries and they’re very connected to hiding things intentionally or not whether it’s proof about Baratheons or people hiding behind tapestries. Given all of the castles in the series, you’d think there would be more tapestries mentioned in passing but there aren’t and this seems to underscore the importance of them when they are mentioned. No one can convince me that LF doesn’t know RLJ because there’s no way he wouldn’t try to use Ned’s mistress(es) and bastard(s) to try to get near Catelyn again, so I’ve toyed with the idea that Rhaegar commissioned a hunting tapestry as proof of Jon knowing he might die in battle. He could have chosen a hunting scene knowing Robert would favor such a scene, and made it so large that it would only fit in the Throne Room which of course would be empty of dragon skulls should he and Aerys not make it. The tapestry is finished and delivered not long after Robert’s reign begins, he thinks it’s just a hunting scene and likes it so he puts in the empty throne room. But I don’t see any evidence of this tentative or otherwise so I don’t think it happened. Just an idea... ---------------------------------------------------- The only real plan that the reader knows about where Varys is concerned is Aegon. Except Varys’ story doesn’t quite add up and his motives seem more complex than that. Varys talks about the common folk being abused, but cuts the tongues out of the mouths of children and has no problem asking Illyrio for more of these children. Varys lets his guard down in front of Ned as he does with Tyrion and seems genuine in wanting to save Ned which seems to go beyond wanting to delay a war. Yet he only tells Illyrio that “one hand is not the other” when Illyrio talks of taking Ned out. So I’m not convinced at all about Illyrio’s and Varys’ alliance. Varys might be playing Illyrio and vice versa. LF may know something about Varys that the reader does not know. If it’s Aegon though, then I’m not sure what the plot significance of this would be. LF would be finding out soon enough as Aegon is in Westeros as of the end of AFFC/ADWD roughly (not great with exact times of things). If he made no move in response to Aegon either in trying to take him out or making moves in anticipation for his arrival, then there’s no plot reason for him to have known that I can think of. So if LF knew about Aegon for some time, what moves did LF make in anticipation of this as LF made no move to take Aegon out? I think he would have found a way to accomplish Aegon's assassination because as Tyrion pointed out, JonCon's disguises were quite easy to see through and LF has contacts with the Iron Bank and maybe the FM. Or maybe LF sees Aegon as useful to himself somehow? If so, he surely didn't anticipate Tyrion or anyone convincing Aegon to turn towards Westeros so soon and without Dany.
  4. Not sure this is the right place for this but I'll answer. I didn't especially enjoy AFFC and while ADWD's Theon chapters were among the best content in the series for me, other parts of ADWD were extremely difficult for me to get through. I was within a hair of adding ASOIAF to the ever-growing list of series I've abandoned for various reasons over the years. The TWOW chapters completely sucked me back in. Obviously . I've enjoyed all of them a great deal. I wouldn't say anything huge happens in them, but you'll be quite surprised by some of the content and I'd characterize them as very effective teasers. They definitely changed my ideas as to where the series might be going so they're spoiler-y in that way.
  5. This is kind of vague for me and could go any number of ways. Days in the sun could mean something like happiness, heroism or whatnot, but it could also mean power, prominence or the like. Power and prominence could be good or bad. GRRM calling Rickon rabid doesn't sound good to me. It's typically not used as a compliment.
  6. You're thinking of show Jon. There's nothing in the books saying Jon is good-looking.
  7. I seem to be in a minority in my skepticism about Rickon. We see Shaggydog often opposed to the people at Winterfell, at Summer, at Greywind. As I recall, Shaggydog is the only wolf portrayed as at odds with the other wolves or other Starks. And then his green fire demon-eyes are mentioned repeatedly. If anyone can site text hinting at a more positive future for Rickon, I'd be very interested in seeing it as I've clearly missed it. I'd like to see a happy future for Rickon (or as happy as anyone in Westeros is likely to get), but I just don't see anything pointing that way. AGOT Bran IV Summer snatched table scraps from Bran's hand, while Grey Wind and Shaggydog fought over a bone in the corner. Winterfell's dogs would not come near the hall now. Bran had found that strange at first, but he was growing used to it. AGOT Bran VI His baby brother had been wild as a winter storm since he learned Robb was riding off to war, weeping and angry by turns. He'd refused to eat, cried and screamed for most of a night, even punched Old Nan when she tried to sing him to sleep, and the next day he'd vanished. Robb had set half the castle searching for him, and when at last they'd found him down in the crypts, Rickon had slashed at them with a rusted iron sword he'd snatched from a dead king's hand, and Shaggydog had come slavering out of the darkness like a green-eyed demon. The wolf was near as wild as Rickon; he'd bitten Gage on the arm and torn a chunk of flesh from Mikken's thigh. It had taken Robb himself and Grey Wind to bring him to bay. Farlen had the black wolf chained up in the kennels now, and Rickon cried all the more for being without him. ... Bran watched from his window seat. Wherever the boy went, Grey Wind was there first, loping ahead to cut him off, until Rickon saw him, screamed in delight, and went pelting off in another direction. Shaggydog ran at his heels, spinning and snapping if the other wolves came too close. His fur had darkened until he was all black, and his eyes were green fire. Bran's Summer came last. He was silver and smoke, with eyes of yellow gold that saw all there was to see. Smaller than Grey Wind, and more wary. Bran thought he was the smartest of the litter. He could hear his brother's breathless laughter as Rickon dashed across the hard-packed earth on little baby legs. ... Robb had been holding his breath. He let it out with a sigh and called, "Grey Wind." His direwolf moved to him, swift and silent. Now there was only Shaggy dog, rumbling at the small man, his eyes burning like green fire. AGOT Bran VII The darkness sprang at him, snarling. Bran saw eyes like green fire, a flash of teeth, fur as black as the pit around them. Maester Luwin yelled and threw up his hands. The torch went flying from his fingers, caromed off the stone face of Brandon Stark, and tumbled to the statue's feet, the flames licking up his legs. In the drunken shifting torchlight, they saw Luwin struggling with the direwolf, beating at his muzzle with one hand while the jaws closed on the other. "Summer!" Bran screamed. And Summer came, shooting from the dimness behind them, a leaping shadow. He slammed into Shaggydog and knocked him back, and the two direwolves rolled over and over in a tangle of grey and black fur, snapping and biting at each other, while Maester Luwin struggled to his knees, his arm torn and bloody. Osha propped Bran up against Lord Rickard's stone wolf as she hurried to assist the maester. In the light of the guttering torch, shadow wolves twenty feet tall fought on the wall and roof. "Shaggy," a small voice called. When Bran looked up, his little brother was standing in the mouth of Father's tomb. With one final snap at Summer's face, Shaggydog broke off and bounded to Rickon's side. "You let my father be," Rickon warned Luwin. "You let him be." … "Bran," the maester said firmly, "I know you mean well, but Shaggydog is too wild to run loose. I'm the third man he's savaged. Give him the freedom of the castle and it's only a question of time before he kills someone. The truth is hard, but the wolf has to be chained, or …" He hesitated. ACOK Bran I "That was Shaggydog." Rickon's big black wolf was so wild he even frightened Bran at times. "Summer never bit anyone." ACOK Bran II No sooner had Hodor entered the godswood than Summer emerged from under an oak, almost as if he had known they were coming. Bran glimpsed a lean black shape watching from the undergrowth as well. "Shaggy," he called. "Here, Shaggydog. To me." But Rickon's wolf vanished as swiftly as he'd appeared.
  8. I agree. There are a lot of opportunities to write Jon as being by a fire or going towards a fire as being near the Wall where it's cold, there are no doubt a lot of fires. But Jon is written as going towards windows which are the coldest place in a room in winter, as going outside into the cold for a walk. The cold seems to calm him.
  9. Expanding on this... Ill = sick, illness, bad, etc. y = Spanish for "and" or possibly just a transition for Ill and Rio Rio = Spanish for river. Not sure how much Spanish GRRM knows, but we have the Rio Grande as the US/Mexico border, so I think rio = river is something most non-Spanish speaking Americans know.
  10. Rickon was abandoned by his family (as a young child would perceive) and here we have Rickon running with Freys, plundering (Greyjoys), racing around walls (Wildlings), tossing bones to pups in kennels (Boltons), and playing with wooden swords under Rodrik (remember Joff and Robb, so Lannisters). Rickon will work traditional Stark enemies. I could argue that this might be good as holding grudges is not a good thing, but Bran’s comment leads me to believe in the more negative interpretation. ACOK Bran I . . . until Little Walder had smacked Rickon with the stick, square across his belly. Before Bran could blink, the black wolf was flying over the plank, there was blood in the water, the Walders were shrieking red murder, Rickon sat in the mud laughing, and Hodor came lumbering in shouting "Hodor! Hodor! Hodor!" After that, oddly, Rickon decided he liked the Walders. They never played lord of the crossing again, but they played other games—monsters and maidens, rats and cats, come-into-my-castle, all sorts of things. With Rickon by their side, the Walders plundered the kitchens for pies and honeycombs, raced round the walls, tossed bones to the pups in the kennels, and trained with wooden swords under Ser Rodrik's sharp eye. Rickon even showed them the deep vaults under the earth where the stonemason was carving father's tomb. "You had no right!" Bran screamed at his brother when he heard. "That was our place, a Stark place!" But Rickon never cared.
  11. There is much in the series about not believing but believing, of not knowing, but knowing. This is another example. Tyrion can't bring himself to believe in the reports of the Others, but his instincts say it's true. When Tyrion gets to KL, he keeps sending men to the Wall. Tyrion got a great deal of info from Jeor and he did like and respect him. Jeor very much believed that the Others were up to something. AGOT Tyrion III (white walkers here meaning Others as the books use both white walkers and Others for the Others) The Lord Commander took no notice of the irritating bird. "Gared was near as old as I am and longer on the Wall," he went on, "yet it would seem he forswore himself and fled. I should never have believed it, not of him, but Lord Eddard sent me his head from Winterfell. Of Royce, there is no word. One deserter and two men lost, and now Ben Stark too has gone missing." He sighed deeply. "Who am I to send searching after him? In two years I will be seventy. Too old and too weary for the burden I bear, yet if I set it down, who will pick it up? Alliser Thorne? Bowen Marsh? I would have to be as blind as Maester Aemon not to see what they are. The Night's Watch has become an army of sullen boys and tired old men. Apart from the men at my table tonight, I have perhaps twenty who can read, and even fewer who can think, or plan, or lead. Once the Watch spent its summers building, and each Lord Commander raised the Wall higher than he found it. Now it is all we can do to stay alive." He was in deadly earnest, Tyrion realized. He felt faintly embarrassed for the old man. Lord Mormont had spent a good part of his life on the Wall, and he needed to believe if those years were to have any meaning. "I promise, the king will hear of your need," Tyrion said gravely, "and I will speak to my father and my brother Jaime as well." And he would. Tyrion Lannister was as good as his word. He left the rest unsaid; that King Robert would ignore him, Lord Tywin would ask if he had taken leave of his senses, and Jaime would only laugh. "You are a young man, Tyrion," Mormont said. "How many winters have you seen?" He shrugged. "Eight, nine. I misremember." "And all of them short." "As you say, my lord." He had been born in the dead of winter, a terrible cruel one that the maesters said had lasted near three years, but Tyrion's earliest memories were of spring. "When I was a boy, it was said that a long summer always meant a long winter to come. This summer has lasted nine years, Tyrion, and a tenth will soon be upon us. Think on that." "When I was a boy," Tyrion replied, "my wet nurse told me that one day, if men were good, the gods would give the world a summer without ending. Perhaps we've been better than we thought, and the Great Summer is finally at hand." He grinned. The Lord Commander did not seem amused. "You are not fool enough to believe that, my lord. Already the days grow shorter. There can be no mistake, Aemon has had letters from the Citadel, findings in accord with his own. The end of summer stares us in the face." Mormont reached out and clutched Tyrion tightly by the hand. "You must make them understand. I tell you, my lord, the darkness is coming. There are wild things in the woods, direwolves and mammoths and snow bears the size of aurochs, and I have seen darker shapes in my dreams." "In your dreams," Tyrion echoed, thinking how badly he needed another strong drink. Mormont was deaf to the edge in his voice. "The fisherfolk near Eastwatch have glimpsed white walkers on the shore." This time Tyrion could not hold his tongue. "The fisherfolk of Lannisport often glimpse merlings." "Denys Mallister writes that the mountain people are moving south, slipping past the Shadow Tower in numbers greater than ever before. They are running, my lord … but running from what?" Lord Mormont moved to the window and stared out into the night. "These are old bones, Lannister, but they have never felt a chill like this. Tell the king what I say, I pray you. Winter is coming, and when the Long Night falls, only the Night's Watch will stand between the realm and the darkness that sweeps from the north. The gods help us all if we are not ready." "The gods help me if I do not get some sleep tonight. Yoren is determined to ride at first light." Tyrion got to his feet, sleepy from wine and tired of doom. "I thank you for all the courtesies you have done me, Lord Mormont." "Tell them, Tyrion. Tell them and make them believe. That is all the thanks I need." He whistled, and his raven flew to him and perched on his shoulder. Mormont smiled and gave the bird some corn from his pocket, and that was how Tyrion left him. … As he stood there and looked at all that darkness with no fires burning anywhere, with the wind blowing and the cold like a spear in his guts, Tyrion Lannister felt as though he could almost believe the talk of the Others, the enemy in the night. His jokes of grumkins and snarks no longer seemed quite so droll. ACOK Tyrion VI Don't be a fool, he told himself. A wolf, a wind, a dark forest, it meant nothing. And yet . . . He had come to have a liking for old Jeor Mormont during his time at Castle Black. "I trust that the Old Bear survived this attack?"
  12. ADWD The Blind Girl "I know why the Sealord seized the Goodheart. She was carrying slaves. Hundreds of slaves, women and children, roped together in her hold." Braavos had been founded by escaped slaves, and the slave trade was forbidden here. "I know where the slaves came from. They were wildlings from Westeros, from a place called Hardhome. An old ruined place, accursed." Old Nan had told her tales of Hardhome, back at Winterfell when she had still been Arya Stark. "After the big battle where the King-Beyond-the-Wall was killed, the wildlings ran away, and this woods witch said that if they went to Hardhome, ships would come and carry them away to someplace warm. But no ships came, except these two Lyseni pirates, Goodheart and Elephant, that had been driven north by a storm. They dropped anchor off Hardhome to make repairs, and saw the wildlings, but there were thousands and they didn't have room for all of them, so they said they'd just take the women and the children. The wildlings had nothing to eat, so the men sent out their wives and daughters, but as soon as the ships were out to sea, the Lyseni drove them below and roped them up. They meant to sell them all in Lys. Only then they ran into another storm and the ships were parted. The Goodheart was so damaged her captain had no choice but to put in here, but the Elephant may have made it back to Lys. The Lyseni at Pynto's think that she'll return with more ships. The price of slaves is rising, they said, and there are thousands more women and children at Hardhome." I suspect Dany will come to Westeros fully informed about the Others and wights because of a run-in with the Hardome wildlings taken into slavery with Tyrion confirming the info from what he learned from Jeor, Benjen and Alliser's time in KL.
  13. I agree. I don’t see anyone in the Vale risking their positions, lands and wealth for the Starks, and I especially don’t see them accepting Sansa as leader of the Vale without having born an Arryn heir first. That would be at least 9 months from a marriage and I think Sansa’s marriage to Tyrion will hold out for quite a while, possibly through the rest of the series. Robert Arryn and LF at present can disinherit any of the Vale lords. Making any moves like supporting the Starks extra risky when your heir is underage, erratic and in poor health and his heir is a flake who has no battle prowess and doesn’t inspire people to follow him. And Winter is about here which will make everyone even more cautious. LF would have to manipulate some event, something big, to rouse the Vale to follow Sansa and the Starks.
  14. They’ll do whatever generates ratings and talk. There’s a new franchise or five to build up enthusiasm for and GOT’s claim to fame is being unpredictable and shocking. Logic, plot and characterization became irrelevant a long time ago. It cracks me up when people say something won’t happen in the show because it doesn’t make sense. Freefolk used to be reasonably solid for sorting out the solid stuff from the nonsense, but I can't really trust it to be objective anymore. Jon killing Dany would be blah for the book readers, but it would be a "holy shit" moment for the casual viewers. But the show is designed for the casual viewers, so....
  15. I think this is entirely possible. I suspect that Westeros will go a bit Wildling as GRRM seems to gravitate to more complicated scenarios and the Dance with Dragons story (can never remember the name!) goes into detail about how when the oldest, legitimate, reasonably competent male heir is taken out the equation, anything goes and people will follow strength or if playing the Game of Thrones, will follow those who are most likely to benefit them politically or financially. KL blowing up as a result of Dany's dragons would certainly fit in with the message that magic is a sword without a hilt as wildfire is a Targ thing taken to another level by Cersei and Tyrion.