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  1. Why do Robb, Sansa, Brandon, and Rickon...

    This is real life, but it'll give you the idea as to why their appearances vary. It's not to be applied cleanly to GRRMs world, but it goes into how people carry genes that you can't see and why it looks like appearances can result in all kinds of combinations. http://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask59
  2. Who tried to kill Bran?

    The one from @Nittanian a few posts above.
  3. Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    Another: Sansa is sorta betrothed to Willas --> Willas has a close protective brother named Garlan --> Garlan is very protective of Tyrion (assumed explanation: because Tyrion reminds him of Willas as they're both described at crippled and very smart) --> Sansa ends up marrying Tyrion.
  4. Who tried to kill Bran?

    This SSM seems to indicate that GRRM has put more thought into the Joffrey/Bran situation than just Joff going off the rails. He spilled all of the details on Jon Arryn's murder in a single crazed rant by Lysa, but no Scooby-doo moment for Bran's attempted murder. At best, LF could have influenced Joff in a vague way to a certain ends which he *hoped* would benefit him, but I don't see how LF could have been involved in any detailed way. He'd know that a beneficial result was far from a certainty, and it could backfire. But this fits how LF operates. Just speculating here: he could have told Joff about how bad the Starks would be for Robert in a general way, hoping that when Joff gets mad (inevitably about something or other), LF would've given him enough of a rationalization for acting out. Basically, Joff could twist his anger into "I'm doing something kingly for the realm by hurting the Starks because the Starks will be bad for the realm. This proves what a good king I'll be." Petyr teased her with a little smile. "In the game of thrones, even the humblest pieces can have wills of their own. Sometimes they refuse to make the moves you've planned for them. Mark that well, Alayne.
  5. Who tried to kill Bran?

    The Hound is definitely very prominent in these scenes and GRRM has other characters wonder why Joff is so attached to him, so I think GRRM wants us to wonder that too. Tyrion's and the Hound's height differences are mentioned in both scenes but otherwise they're not unlike each other. In the Tourney scene, we see Tommen and Myrcella run to Tyrion like a father returning home, but not Joffrey.
  6. Who tried to kill Bran?

    Text supports your #1 I’ll maintain that it’s Joffrey but that we’ve been given incomplete details because it’ll spoil future books. If at the end of the series it’s just Joff with no other explanation, then I’ll rant. GRRM did resolve the issue with Joff and the dagger as he said, but that’s all he resolved. There are a lot of details which are unconfirmed and hopefully will be revealed in the future. He also said at the same time that other issues (referring to what exactly?) will not be resolved. Jaime’s motivation as to it being wanting Robert’s approval looks very wrong in the light of the following. Jaime is Joffrey’s real father and he abandoned him so to speak, so this assumption on Jaime’s part may say more about Jaime than Joff. ACOK Sansa I where Tyrion arrives in King’s Landing during Joff’s nameday tourney. The dwarf went to one knee before the king. "Your Grace." "You," Joffrey said. "Me," the Imp agreed, "although a more courteous greeting might be in order, for an uncle and an elder." "They said you were dead," the Hound said. The little man gave the big one a look. One of his eyes was green, one was black, and both were cool. "I was speaking to the king, not to his cur." "I'm glad you're not dead," said Princess Myrcella. (No comment from Joffrey) "We share that view, sweet child." Tyrion turned to Sansa. "My lady, I am sorry for your losses. Truly, the gods are cruel." Sansa could not think of a word to say to him. How could he be sorry for her losses? Was he mocking her? It wasn't the gods who'd been cruel, it was Joffrey. (Gods had nothing to do with Ned, Bran or Robert) "I am sorry for your loss as well, Joffrey," the dwarf said. "What loss?" "Your royal father? A large fierce man with a black beard; you'll recall him if you try. He was king before you." (the black beard reminds the reader that Robert isn’t Joff’s real father) "Oh, him. Yes, it was very sad, a boar killed him." It often happens that when someone wants to lash out at someone and they can’t, they lash out against someone similar. It’s a motivation for rapists and serial killers who target a certain type. Joff was no doubt on the road to becoming both, if he wasn’t already. Joff’s motivation for trying to kill Bran being revenge against Tyrion fits better with the content of the books. We can see from below that the animosity between Joff and Tyrion runs long and deep, well before the beginning of the story, and they may have always been at odds. Joff can’t lash out at Tyrion, so he lashes out at Bran (who in himself means nothing to Joff), because Tyrion cares about Bran, and because Bran is now a cripple, like Tyrion. As I said, serial killers often lash out against a target that is similar to the one they really want to attack. Motive being to take a strike at Tyrion makes more sense as the tension between Tyrion and Joff is played out repeatedly all through the books, but Joff’s feelings about Robert are not. AGOT Tyrion I: "I am in no mood for your insolence today." Tyrion turned to his nephew. "Joffrey, it is past time you called on Lord Eddard and his lady, to offer them your comfort." Joffrey looked as petulant as only a boy prince can look. "What good will my comfort do them?" "None," Tyrion said. "Yet it is expected of you. Your absence has been noted." "The Stark boy is nothing to me," Joffrey said. "I cannot abide the wailing of women." (why kill him, then?) Tyrion Lannister reached up and slapped his nephew hard across the face. The boy's cheek began to redden. "One word," Tyrion said, "and I will hit you again." "I'm going to tell Mother!" Joffrey exclaimed. Tyrion hit him again. Now both cheeks flamed. (The use of the word “cheeks” instead of face may be a hint as to how Joff feels about this: Joff feels Tyrion has given him a different sort of 2 red cheeks—a spanking.) "You tell your mother," Tyrion told him. "But first you get yourself to Lord and Lady Stark, and you fall to your knees in front of them, and you tell them how very sorry you are, and that you are at their service if there is the slightest thing you can do for them or theirs in this desperate hour, and that all your prayers go with them. Do you understand? Do you?" The boy looked as though he was going to cry. Instead, he managed a weak nod. Then he turned and fled headlong from the yard, holding his cheek. Tyrion watched him run. A shadow fell across his face. He turned to find Clegane looming overhead like a cliff. His soot-dark armor seemed to blot out the sun. He had lowered the visor on his helm. It was fashioned in the likeness of a snarling black hound, fearsome to behold, but Tyrion had always thought it a great improvement over Clegane's hideously burned face. "The prince will remember that, little lord," the Hound warned him. The helm turned his laugh into a hollow rumble. "I pray he does," Tyrion Lannister replied. "If he forgets, be a good dog and remind him."
  7. Who tried to kill Bran?

    If GRRM says it's Joffrey, I'm inclined to believe him, but it's doesn't sit well at all. I was hoping that he couldn't reveal more than that because it would give away too much and the details would come out later which would make everything slide into place. How about this? Mance overhears Joff talking smack about Bran and Summer, so Mance offers to kill Bran gratis, but he's only a bard and doesn't have such a weapon. Joffrey provides Mance the weapon, and Mance pays the catspaw the silver. But Mance wants the catspaw to be caught so he leads him to believe that Catelyn won't be there, and he also makes sure Summer is able to get into the room (he was kept outside) to make sure Catelyn and Bran don't die. He would be very familiar with how wargs work.
  8. Baratheon name origin

    Either I can't find it or I'm not recalling correctly. Seems I remember that Renly was open to making an exception for Robb in allowing him to remain king (in name only, really) based on their traditional closeness. It stuck in my mind because as you pointed out, I didn't think that they had been close since Bran the Builder until Ned and Robert who were both dead, but the statement I think I recall stuck in my head because it seemed to indicate that there was Stark/Baratheon history which hadn't been revealed to the reader yet.
  9. Baratheon name origin

    -theon is a Northern name. There's at least one Theon Stark. The name might be a combination of two or more different things. We do know that Bran the Builder was down there for a while, the Baratheons and Starks are traditionally close and they seem a bit more Northern than some of the Southern families. They also seem to have a lot more weirwoods in that area which might indicate that they've been more resistant to cutting them down than other Southern families. Not sure about the Bara- part.
  10. Mirri Maz Duur and Bronze Yohn Royce

    The Royces might be pretty close, though. maybe closer than anyone else. One has to wonder how much the Vale Wildlings remember since the Northern Wildlings remember much more than the Northerners. Timett son of Timett is a sharp guy and I've been really wondering about that single eye of his. I thought of various Starks when the wolf came up, and maybe there's some symbolism there pertaining to a character. If so, the flaming man would be someone in-story, as well. Problem is, Dany actually saw them and Mirri said the dead would dance and that they were powers dark and old, so they're definitely something more than just character symbolism. I only did a brief check but at this point, it looks like runes probably relate to First Men, and glyphs are used exclusively for Valyrian stuff, with the one exception of the quote below. So if this pattern is accurate, the handle might be Valyrian. ASOS Danaerys II: Kraznys stopped in front of a Ghiscari who might have been his taller fitter brother, and flicked his lash at a small bronze disk on the swordbelt at his feet. "There is his name. Ask the whore of Westeros whether she can read Ghiscari glyphs." When Dany admitted that she could not, the slaver turned to the Unsullied. "What is your name?" he demanded. I looked up @Renly's Bananacollar reference above. It's made of iron and tied to Valyrian things, so iron seems tied to fire in the story. The Others hate iron, the Starks must be buried with iron swords, and that weird meat locker at the Wall which Jon says is colder than it should be and preserved meat longer than regular freezing has an iron door and all of the hooks are iron.
  11. The quote does feel like it has a backstory. I've been curious to if see the Tyrells bend backwards for an alliance/marriage with a Targ - any Targ, then this statement will add another dynamic to their ambitions. If Olenna very badly wants any Targ alliance contrary to her statement, then she's been holding onto a lot of bitterness/inferiority complex for a long time. Something that goes beyond run-of-the-mill greed and ambition.
  12. ASOS Sansa I: She sniffed. "They tried to marry me to a Targaryen once, but I soon put an end to that."
  13. Mirri Maz Duur and Bronze Yohn Royce

    About runes, I don’t have a good feel for how they’ll be used in-story but I have a certain reaction to them. The text and GRRM in interviews mentions several times that ancient history is often inaccurate. The stories are oral (Old Nan) or they were written a loooonnnggg time after they occurred. Even recent history can be questioned: people have agendas and the winner writes the history. Runes are unreadable to the characters. So whenever I see runes in story, I wonder if something old was forgotten—something which shouldn’t have been forgotten. So maybe the Royces remember, but because their armor doesn’t protect them, perhaps they don’t remember correctly any longer. I’m going to expand on my whackadoodle idea in the above post to try it on for size here. So if the Others/CotF/Starks/FM all use a type of water magic (transformation/skinchanging), then we might have an explanation of why Dany sees a dancing wolf. In-story, Mirri is said to use bloodmagic, but bloodmagic and fire magic are connected elsewhere in the story. Mirri says fire has great healing powers, which seems to connect it to blood. If the blade is really a spear-head, then the handle isn’t original. The red (blood?) bronze handle with glyphs + the CotF blade may indicate that the knife is both ice and fire. AGOT Bran IV: They were cold things, dead things, that hated iron and fire and the touch of the sun, and every creature with hot blood in its veins. Mel is also all about fire and blood when it comes to her magic. Before Mirri begins the ceremony, she has Drago put into a bath, and then blood is added. So water and blood (fire) are mixed. Then Dany sees: the shadow of a great wolf (dire wolf?), and another like a man wreathed in flames. Mirri: "Once I begin to sing, no one must enter this tent. My song will wake powers old and dark. The dead will dance here this night. No living man must look on them."
  14. Mirri Maz Duur and Bronze Yohn Royce

    Jon finds leaf-shaped spearheads at the Fist of the First Men. Arya sees them at the House of Black and White. Maybe "leaf-shaped" is a hint that these come from Leaf, the CotF? Leaf is the only one who speaks the Common Tongue, and wandered the kingdoms until fairly recently. Red bronze is a thing in rl, but this is the only reference I see in the entire series, perhaps indicating that the bronze has been altered? Maybe for blood magic? ACOK Jon IV A length of frayed rope bound the bundle together. Jon unsheathed his dagger and cut it, groped for the edges of the cloth, and pulled. The bundle turned, and its contents spilled out onto the ground, glittering dark and bright. He saw a dozen knives, leaf-shaped spearheads, numerous arrowheads. Jon picked up a dagger blade, featherlight and shiny black, hiltless. Torchlight ran along its edge, a thin orange line that spoke of razor sharpness. Dragonglass. What the maesters call obsidian. Had Ghost uncovered some ancient cache of the children of the forest, buried here for thousands of years? The Fist of the First Men was an old place, only . . . AFFC Arya II When she was not working, Arya was free to wander as she would amongst the vaults and storerooms, so long as she did not leave the temple, nor descend to the third cellar. She found a room full of weapons and armor: ornate helms and curious old breastplates, longswords, daggers, and dirks, crossbows and tall spears with leaf-shaped heads. Another vault was crammed with clothing, thick furs and splendid silks in half a hundred colors, next to piles of foul-smelling rags and threadbare roughspuns. There must be treasure chambers too, Arya decided. She pictured stacks of golden plates, bags of silver coins, sapphires blue as the sea, ropes of fat green pearls. Edit: the rest of Jon's statement refers to the CotF and how the bundle was recently placed: Torchlight ran along its edge, a thin orange line that spoke of razor sharpness. Dragonglass. What the maesters call obsidian. Had Ghost uncovered some ancient cache of the children of the forest, buried here for thousands of years? The Fist of the First Men was an old place, only . . . Beneath the dragonglass was an old warhorn, made from an auroch's horn and banded in bronze. Jon shook the dirt from inside it, and a stream of arrowheads fell out. He let them fall, and pulled up a corner of the cloth the weapons had been wrapped in, rubbing it between his fingers. Good wool, thick, a double weave, damp but not rotted. It could not have been long in the ground. And it was dark. He seized a handful and pulled it close to the torch. Not dark. Black.
  15. Harry & Sansa (Littlefinger is delusional)

    ASOS Sansa IV: Sansa glanced at the woman curiously. She was baseborn and unwed, and had borne two bastard daughters for the prince, but she did not fear to look even the queen in the eye. Shae had told her that this Ellaria worshiped some Lysene love goddess. "She was almost a whore when he found her, m'lady," her maid confided, "and now she's near a princess." Sansa had never been this close to the Dornishwoman before. She is not truly beautiful, she thought, but something about her draws the eye. Perhaps foreshadowing that Sansa's marriage status won't be properly resolved in the end, and that this won't bother her overly much.