LordBlakeney

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  1. I've seen several people with this idea. There are lots of ways it could work. The specifics of who the real people behind NK and NQ were leaves plenty of wiggle room, but the general idea that the person remembered as the Night's King skinchanged an ice dragon fits the story.
  2. Corpse Queen tells you everything. What does Varamyr Sixskins think is a second life worthy of a King? A direwolf. A Queen would be deserving of something more elegant. Icy. Inhuman. A second-lifed ice dragon could easily be described as a corpse. Remember when Varamyr takes Haggon's animal and his second life? Remember all of Haggon's warning about "abominations?" The NK started the abominations. I believe that is a possibility, and I think it likely that the legends of Azor Ahai, Last Hero, and Night's King are in some cases redundant, describing the same event but from a different perspective passed down by different peoples through the years. Nissa Nissa = Amethyst Empress = Night's Queen would be a tidy reveal, but I also don't believe all these stories have to be about the same people for it to make sense that the NK caught an ice dragon. Nor do I believe it necessary for the NK to have caused the long night.
  3. To sum up: the show is both terrible and tolerable. GRRM is vague. And no one knows where anything is headed. To jump back to the Night's King/Old Nan stories: The gathering gloom put Bran in mind of another of Old Nan’s stories, the tale of Night’s King. He had been the thirteenth man to lead the Night’s Watch, she said; a warrior who knew no fear. “And that was the fault in him,” she would add, “for all men must know fear.” A woman was his downfall; a woman glimpsed from atop the Wall, with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars. Fearing nothing, he chased her and caught her and loved her, though her skin was cold as ice, and when he gave his seed to her he gave his soul as well. He brought her back to the Nightfort and proclaimed her a queen and himself her king, and with strange sorceries he bound his Sworn Brothers to his will. For thirteen years they had ruled, Night’s King and his corpse queen, till finally the Stark of Winterfell and Joramun of the wildlings had joined to free the Watch from bondage. After his fall, when it was found he had been sacrificing to the Others, all records of Night’s King had been destroyed, his very name forbidden. -Bran, ASOS In the discussions I think we're missing something. Everyone assumes the woman he glimpsed was down on the ground and that she seduced him. That interpretation tends to ignore some of the precious few details we're given about the event. The Night’s King was atop the wall and spotted his corpse queen. Nothing says he was looking down. Everything seems to indicate the Night’s Watch is looking up – Myrish lenses and all. Also she didn’t just seduce him – we’re told he had to chase her. He had to then catch her. The Night’s King spied an ice dragon from atop the wall. He chased it and caught it and “wed” it – he skinchanged it. Ice Dragons, going off the world book, are even more fearsome, powerful, and probably magical to the extreme compared to fire dragons. Naturally, when a skinchanger bonds with an animal, part of that animal merges with the skinchanger. The skinchanger grows more and more like that animal. The Night’s King grows fearsome and terrible to behold as his bond with the ice dragon takes his soul and leaves him cold as ice. He then "brought her back to the Nightfort." Some of this action is taking place away from the Wall. Specifically, when he "chased her and caught her." A last hero setting out into the cold dead lands? Maybe he brought 13 companions with him. Dovetail this nicely with the theory that the always-cold black pool at Winterfell is a melted/slain ice dragon (surrounded by hot pools and the Walls of Winterfell). Don’t get too tied down to timelines we’re presented in the books (they’re flawed oral histories), move some of the legends around, and this could fit in nicely with a bunch of pet theories different posters have.
  4. Is it possible that old stories about evil giants weren't originally told by men but instead by the COTF? Men are giants to COTF, and lots of stories about evil giants could be describing regular sized men harassing the much smaller COTF. Assuming some sort of cultural exchange occurred following the pact/Long Night (not to mention consciousness-bending trees and magic mutating myth and memory for thousands of years) could men be inadvertently telling another species' stories about themselves? Obviously giants do exist in this world, but their existence does not necessarily preclude these stories from originally referring to humans.
  5. I like this idea.
  6. What candidates from house Stark could still be popping around? Do you think Lyanna or Benjen might be still alive? Or maybe someone from an older, but more recent generation like Ned's grandfather or something? Haven't really thought about this just kind of wondering what would make you place your bet there.
  7. So if you had to guess, who or what is creating them in our current story?
  8. I like this idea - other people have speculated that going underground would be one of the ways to survive the Long Night. Especially warm underground caves near a volcano. Discovering (or re-discovering) dragons/dragon eggs definitely a possibility.
  9. Well now you're just not being fun at all.
  10. I think that's the whole point of this thread - obviously the timelines have discrepancies and sure its a possibility someone made the whole thing up - but we're trying to sort out those timelines based on textual evidence. Your assertion that there are possibly other, older, castles that disappeared has the least amount of textual evidence and therefore isn't very helpful to the discussion. The most likely explanation would be that the Nightfort is the oldest, but maybe isn't as old as we're led to believe. Now we use evidence from the text like @Black Crow 's excellent original post to try to decipher those timelines and see what it can tell us about the current story and maybe make us think about the in-world history in a different light.
  11. Can't wait!
  12. Even if you believe there were other possibly older castles than the Nightfort which disappeared, there is no evidence of that in the text. The text leads us to believe the Nightfort is almost certainly the oldest and the first, the bigger leap is that there were others. That is a theory not at all supported by the text, unless I'm missing something.
  13. Well, it does say the Nightfort is the oldest, which means at one time it of necessity HAD to be the only one. Other castles not surviving is an interesting thought but I think the original point still stands.
  14. Hey this is cool I didn't know about the rankings on profiles but I'm glad I've posted enough to no longer be labeled a "commoner" haha
  15. Did the original Nightfort have walls and southern defenses when it was first built? If it was only after the fall of the Night's King that the Watch was barred from defending from the South, are we to assume the original Nightfort had walls? Not sure if it matters just wondering if people had other thoughts. Wow I never thought about it like this! This really alters my perception of the Night's Watch and what their original role could have been. Do we know if the Nightfort also had a tunnel through the Wall in addition to the Black Gate? We know the abandoned castles had their tunnels filled with ice and rubble, but is their any mention of the Nightfort's tunnel or is the Black Gate the only confirmed way through the Wall there?