Leo of House Cartel

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  1. Would that I could my friend. Trouble is, those two quotes are literally the only time Ghostskin is mentioned I just found it weird that Ghostskin is mentioned by Cat in book two and not brought up again until Theon visits the same location in book four. That white snake reminded me of BR too. I was also interested in the differing placements of the white moss - Cat sees it growing on a tree which is coming out of one of the towers, while Theon describes the stones of the buildings as being covered in the stuff. Yep, and those boulders being strewn across the ground is very unsettling - would catapults and scorpions have been used back in those days? This makes me also wonder who built the place. That's a fine point about the Singers' domain being beyond Moat Cailin, one which further casts doubt on the idea the COTF built the Moat. The "curtain Wall said to be as big as that of WF" is very puzzling. What would have been the need for such a structure if it was only FM and COTF running around? Giants? I think the Isle of Faces angle sounds more plausible, if nothing else the abundance of Weirwood on the islet seems like it could be useful for such a magic focused attack. What do you think about the broken tower that looks like a "great beast had taken a bite out of the crenellations"? For me, this could suggest an ancient dragon.
  2. Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus - a classic. I wonder what the good doctor would have made of Qyburn.
  3. Hey dude, an interesting question I've not seen discussed a whole bunch. I think the sexuality fits with the Westeros George intends to present. Now, there are certain sex scenes (the tales of Gregor Clegane) which are certainly appalling, however, such horrors help enhance the feeling that the country is suffering from nightmares of war. Scenes like Arianne's rendezvous with Arys have proven good at building character - Arianne bursts into the story showing a level of sexual power and confidence not displayed by many other characters, which in turn helps add credence to her own character, as well as the more open nature of Dornish culture. Other naughty scenes, such as Jon and Ygritte's time in their cave, do serve as a good way to remind the reader on the fundamentals of nature - in a book full of death, a little life comes as a welcome reprise.
  4. Having done a bit of snooping into the Moat, my attention was drawn to both Cat and Theon's descriptions of the ancient place. While I'm sure this has been discussed before, I'd like to know everyone's current opinions on Moat Cailin. This description of "huge blocks of black basalt, as large as a cottage" brings to mind the stories of the Hightower base, The Volantene Black Walls, and even Kayakayanaya. Could the First Men or COTF even be capable of lifting and moving such massive blocks? The great beast at the top of the children's tower is interesting. What could have made such a hole in the heavy duty black basalt during ancient times? Some First Men catapult or trebuchet? "Great Beast biting and spitting rubble" brings to mind a dragon attacking a castle with fang and flame. Another way to look at it could be that the COTF called down the hammer of waves, with some massive wall of water destroying parts of Moat Cailin. What do you think? Also, what significance might the tower names "Gatehouse, Drunkards and Children" have on the story? Perhaps something to do with Ami Frey, Tyrion and Bran? Having done a search on Ghostskin, I find only two ASOIAF related references, with Moat Cailin seemingly being the white moss's only known location. Ghostskin makes me think of Ghost Grass, which apparently has a malignant nature. We don't have any reason to believe this moss will have a nasty side, but I do find the name and placement amongst a former haunt of the COTF interesting. The name Ghostskin might simply refer to the colouration, but one could also look at the name as a nod to the weirwood net/skinchanging. Ghost's Kin could also work if we want to get mystical. Now, perhaps Cat simply failed to mention the Ghostskin covering the walls, as well as Theon not noticing the festooned Tree that Cat did, or perhaps the stuff is growing all over the Moat. Any thoughts on this Ghostkin stuff?
  5. TWOW needs to arrive soon, to save all of our sanity It's been seven years so one would think George must have a good chunk written, hopefully we at least get Fire and Blood by the end of the year.
  6. I'm looking at the frog picture and the mention of an alligator and thinking Howland Reed
  7. @By Odin's Beard Well met and welcome to the board! An interesting post, while I'm not sure I entirely agree, I enjoyed reading your theory. What do you think the endgame might be if you are correct?
  8. An interesting question as usual, Sandman. While I can't be sure, I think a plan like this could be sound enough. Choke Rossart to death and disable Aerys - hiding him somewhere near the throne room. Send the Gold Cloaks to fetch Varys and then the Pyromancers (tell them Aerys personally requested their presence). Alert Varys of the Wildfyre plan (if he shows up), announce the intention to declare Viserys or Aegon king. Have Varys take Rossart's and the King's body to the Tower of The Hand, murder The Mad King and blame it on Rossart, then throw Rossart from the tower and making it look like a suicide, tell the public "he was a Baratheon spy!" When the Pyromancers arrive, have them arrested and questioned as to the whereabouts of the Wildfyre. When Lord Tywin arrives, send a detatchment of Gold Cloaks to meet him and tell him the King is dead but Jaime of the King's Guard declares Aegon or Viserys King. Tywin can be offered position of Hand, hopefully averting the Sack of KL.
  9. @Lollygag Some interesting analysis you have there. I agree, Jon is no saint. If nothing else, he's just a soldier. Warfare is a corrupting influence. Death, uncertainty, the paranoia that "they're getting closer"; all serve to alter one's perception. If anything I'd say Jon was akin to certain "tragic samurai" archetypes like Miyamoto Musashi, Zatoichi or Logan from the X-Men - all too aware of the wrongs he has done, yet firm in his dedication to what he perceives as "the honourable path". The trouble with war is, one soldier's "right way" will always be another's "wrong way". Considering Jon is faced with the kind of challenge that no one ever really has to deal with (the destruction of the human race by a benign group of demons), I'd say he was doing the best he could. Capability is something Lord Snow has a great deal of. Look at his movements through the series and you will see not only a high level of skill and resourcefulness, but also a great deal of loyalty, honour and friendship. A sad child at WF, uncertain of his parentage yet clearly full of love for his siblings and father. Finds a litter of Direwolves (a species not seen south of The Wall in like a century) Bonds with the great wolf and displays Skinchanging abilities - such skills make Jon more powerful than most people, yet he never considers "pulling a Varamyr" and sending Ghost after women, nor does he ever even think about "entering another human's mind". When you think about it, Jon's time inside Ghost is a lot less violent or self serving than Bran/Summer's or Arya/Nymeria's domination and consolidation of wolfpacks. Joins the NW, humiliates the other recruits in the yard but is man enough to see the error of his ways, quickly bringing the other lads over to his side and "making them his own men", if you will. Protects Sam from bullying. Is appalled by the idea of "Mole's Town" Is specifically selected by the Lord Commander to be his steward - preparing Jon for rule. He kills a wight, maiming his hand and nearly dying in the process - all to save a man he respected Goes Beyond the Wall and worries about Gilly and her sisters/nieces, showing human compassion. After like a year in the Watch, is told to kill Halfhand and join the Free Folk - a dangerous ploy, yet Snow manages to win the affection of several hardened war chiefs. Comes to realise the Free Folk are just people, loses any NW inspired prejudice. Falls in love with Yggrite, but is racked by guilt over the breaking of his vows. Climbs the Wall and against heavy odds defends the brotherhood against Rayder's army, when he could have just ran away. Is elected LC but doesn't use his station to arrogantly flaunt power, instead he takes up residence in Donal's armoury. Ends the centuries long war between the Wildlings and Crows - "Jon, The Conciliator" Invites the Free Folk through the Wall, as he knows they are doomed otherwise. Saves hundreds if not thousands of lives. Gains the trust and services of a Giant, showing his lack of prejudice. Refuses Stannis' WF offer, even though it would have brought him fame, power, riches and perhaps family. Allows the baby swap to happen, for fear of the children's safety. Saves Alys Karstark from being married and abused by her nuncle. Prepares as best he can for a war with ice demons and an army of zombies. Sends Mance after Arya, because he is a good brother. Plans to defend the Wall against Ramsay by taking the fight to him. Now, Jon's desire for Winterfell could be looked at as negative, but such childish wants and jealousy are common place, even in the best of people. When offered Northern rule by Stannis, Jon declines, due to his belief it wouldn't be "right". Keep in mind that Jon is only 13 when the tale begins - any dark thoughts of usurping Winterfell can probably chalked up to the foils of youthful despair/puberty. Growing up in a household where you are looked down on by the matriarch and referred to as "The Bastard of Winterfell" by small folk and highborn alike is the kind of youth that breeds bitterness. Jon does fantasise about taking his "father's" castle, but he clearly dislikes doing this. We must keep in mind that more often, Jon dwells on the thought of how much he misses his siblings. As you said, he's a grey character, flawed and controversial - but fundamentally, a good guy. Look at some of the the well respected, fundamentally "good" people who in turn respect Jon and recognise his merit as a good man - Maester Aemon, The Old Bear, Samwell, Donal, such sharp minds can't all be wrong can they? Furthermore, look at the morally grey, yet capable characters who also respect Lord Snow - Stannis, Val, Mance, Yggrite, Tormund, Thorne (though he wouldn't admit it), Tyrion and many Free Folk - these are all skilled warriors or tacticians, in my estimation their respect of Jon serves as proof that he is the right man to be leading homo-sapiens into the War for The Dawn. Keep in mind that Snow believes that another Long Night is on the way - no sunshine, no warmth, no crops, only cold blizzards and demons from the dark. Any questionable decisions he has recently made have been done with this knowledge looming over him. Add in the fact that he believes most of his family have been unfairly executed and one can understand why Jon might have a certain darkness to him. Most of us do. All in all, I'd say Jon's kindness and good deeds heavily outweigh his faults. Yeah, he went against NW regulations with his WF plan and he dreamt of being Lord of his father's castle - but he also protected Sam from bullying, saved the life of Mance's kid, ended a centuries long war and is constantly analysing his own wrongdoings.
  10. I think he'd be watching it unfold with a drinking horn in one hand, and a warhammer in the other - with a tear in his bloodshot eye and a smile on his lips, and he would be thinking "If me and Ned were there, we'd kick all their arses"
  11. Be that as it may, it's foolish for Bowen to think the Ramsay problem will go away just because they have killed Jon. The letter clearly indicates that the Watch will be in trouble if Ramsay doesn't get his bride and his Reek back. Come now, if Ramsay arrives at Castle Black with Jon dead then he would most probably believe any hope of "getting his possessions back" was lost. Do Bowen and co - who must have heard about Lady Hornwood - really believe Ramsay would go easy on them if they are responsible for Jon's death? Considering the letter indicates that Bolton believes Jon knows Arya and Reek's whereabouts? As others have said up thread, what was Jon supposed to do after reading the Pink Letter? Put all of his fellow brothers at more risk by doing nothing and adhering to the laws of the HR department? Consider the threat of the White Walkers too (something I've noticed that "for the watch" supporters always seem to avoid"). The entire Watch is preparing for an attack from the beyond the Wall, while the Pink Letter hints at an attack from the South. In my view, defending the Brotherhood comes before following laws - if Jon were to allow Ramsay to wipe the Crows out, who will defend the realms of men? Also, openly betraying and killing an LC who was popular with many other people along the Wall (including the likes of Tormund, Denys Mallister and Val) is a foolish move for anyone to personally make. Good luck to Bowen and his pals, they had better watch their backs.
  12. Sometimes, affairs of the heart must come before affairs of the rule book.
  13. Indeed, given Ramsay's treatment of Lady Hornwood - which is public knowledge - it's crazy to think that Bowen believes Bolton wouldn't kill every one at the Wall anyway, regardless of a dead Jon Snow. Although Marsh and his cronies might not know it, we the readers - through Theon and Moat Cailin - know all to well how Ramsay treats those who submit to him.
  14. That's an awesome point about Sam and the Black Gate. As you say, the Watch has fallen into a sad state. When the ancient demons and their army of reanimated corpses - who apparently necessitated the building of the Wall in the first place - have been confirmed to be moving south, the likes of Bowen Marsh shouldn't be concerning themselves with stuffy rules and regulations. Having just betrayed and murdered the rightfully elected LC - with the previous LC suffering a similar fate - how exactly do they plan on inspiring confidence from the troops? How do they plan on dealing with all the Wildlings in the shieldhall, and the ones manning the castles along the Wall, now that they have publicly betrayed Jon? What if the Others decide to make their move whilst the Watch is dealing with the fallout of Bowen and company's backstabbing? The murder of Jon Snow was frankly, irresponsible. Jon should be known as "Jon, The Conciliator" for ceasing hostilities between the NW and Free Folk (as fragile as the peace may be). Say what you will about Jon breaking the rules, at the end of the day, he's part dragon, part wolf.
  15. Could certainly see this happening. Dependant on who rules in Winterfell come Sansa's arrival with the KOTV, I could see certain members of the Vale forces heading to the Wall. What might Sansa think if she gets to Winterfell and meets Stannis or even Mance, I'm sure she would be interested in what they had to say about Jon/Winter. Be it via a marriage to Harry/SweetRobin, or a friendship with the Royces of Runestone, I imagine Sansa will hold a good amount of sway by the end of the next book. The only other real option would be for Littlefinger to have the Vale join forces with Aegon.