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  1. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    Har! Big words coming form a cadet branch of the Starks who betrayed them to usurp them by siding with the boltons! Har!
  2. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    She's an exiled prince with no experience at ruling, and her attempt to learn has led to thousands of deaths, and former slaves dying, because she assumed that the situation would work itself out when former slaves are now free, and don't know what to do other than be a slave.
  3. Description See also: Images of Weirwood Trees The five-pointed leaves and the sap of weirwoods are blood-red, while the smooth bark on their wide trunks and wood are bone white. Most weirwoods have faces carved into their trunks. This was done by the children of the forest in ancient days, and is now done by the free folk as well as other descendants of the First Men, such as followers of the old gods in the Seven Kingdoms praying to heart trees in godswoods. In some cases sap has collected in the crevices of the carved faces, giving the trees red eyes which have been known to drip sap as if the trees were weeping. A weirwood will live forever if undisturbed. The "bloody eyes" effect that Weirwood Trees give off is basically sap. From what it's being said, the Weirwood Trees are inherently magical, and not just the creation of a face. So any decent carver could make a Godswood with a face, and like I pasted above, the carving WAS done by COTF, but is now done by Free Folk/Northmen so it is possible for them to do so, and if you believe the idea that First Men/Andals interbreeded with the COTF like the Reeds are told to have did, they might have the magic in them to give the faceless weirwood tree the magical ability. The First Men only gained Greenseer/Warging ability after the move to Westeros from what the text implies, so we can imply that COTF gives First Men like Jojen or Bran the ability.
  4. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    1. Ormund Baratheon married Rhaelle Targaryen making Steffon Baratheon around 50% Valyrian, 25% Stormlander, and 25% Westerlander if we can assume that Lyonel was the son of Tya Lannister and Gowen Baratheon. Steffon married an Estermont making Robert, Stannis, and Renly around 50% Stormlander, 25% Valyrian, and 25% unknown. I'm not an expert about genealogy, but this is a basic estimate. So Robert, Stannis, and Renly are not more Targ than Durran for the simple fact that in 300 years, they only had two known Valyrian influences along with the unknown that Orys is a Targ bastard or not. 2. It is fair considering the modern Targaryens were self-entitled pricks just like most of the other Targs, and other incest bred royals like Joffrey. They practiced slavery until coming to Westeros not because it was the moral decision, but because it made them more appealing just like accepting the FOT7. 3. Robb was a hypocrite, he talks about honor, but broke an oath to Walder Frey. However, he is the most morally appealing king considering he wasn't a tyrant, he wasn't a rapist, he wasn't a guy who wanted to burn people, and he wasn't a guy who had no right to rule in the first place. You can make the case that Robb is just as unqualified as Renly, but his bannermen crowned him, because they believed in him, not because he wanted it. 4. I can dislike the Targaryens considering that while Dany freed slaves, it most likely wasn't a moral decision considering her ancestors freely owned slaves, but because it was a easy way to gain followers in Essos considering the Westerosi already are anti-slavery. Sure, you have individual characters who would of used dragons for bad, Theon Stark, Euron Greyjoy, Harren Hoare, Ronard Durrandon, Jonos Arryn, Tywin Lannister etc but the Valyrians before the conquest were slavers with a superiority complex, and after were a bunch of exceptionally cruel and incompetent people, no doubt from the incest, but still. They had no much of a right to rule the 7Kingdoms as much as Robert did. Sure the original First Men, and Andals won Kingdom by Conquest, but while they did it for necessity, the Targs did it for simply the ability to do so. We don't know if the Nights King is a Stark BTW, the only person to say that the Nights King was a Stark was Old Nan, the NK is also said to be a Bolton, a Magnar of Skagos, a Umber, a Flint, a Norrey, or a Woodfoot.
  5. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    Karstark isn't Robb though is it. We were arguing that Robb was self-righteous not Karstark. Self-righteous and the feel of entitlement go together so well. Dany feels entitled to rule Westeros, a continent her people conquered without a claim through the use of WMDs for the kick of it.
  6. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    Of course it's biased. It's a person writing a opinion article about why he hates a ethnic group/family.
  7. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    The only thing that could be said that the Valyrians integrated themself in was accepting the Faith of the Seven, even then the only pious Targs were Baelor and Daeron II.
  8. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    Except Aegon had no such claim that William did. He decided to conquer an entire different people with no plan on integration simply for the ability to do so. I don't doubt that Andal or First Men houses might of done the same, but the Andals and First Men integrated themselves into Westeros. The First Men adopted the OGOTF faith, and the Andals mixed with First Men, but the only attempt to truly integrate into the Westerosi culture that the Targaryens tried were when Egg attempted to marry his children to Lord Tully, Lord Baratheon, Lord Tyrell, and Lord Redwyne. That didn't work out due to family incest.
  9. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    I'm not arguing what he did was right either. The Northmen/Rivermen did just as horrible things that the Westermen did. He's not self-righteous though. Self-righteousness (also called sanctimoniousness, sententiousness, and holier-than-thou attitudes[1][2]) is a feeling or display of (usually smug) moral superiority The "where are muh dragons" mentality that Daenerys has, and that her family is perfect, and infallible would be considered self righteousness. You could say Robb was just as brutal as Tywin when he pillaged the Riverlands, but self righteous is a no.
  10. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    Balon crowned himself as King despite being a follower of tradition, and doing a Kingsmoot. Joffrey was crowned by Cersei, Stannis declared himself King, and Renly was crowned by the Tyrells. Robb was the only one who was crowned by his own men for his deeds in saving Riverrun, and capturing Jaime Lannister.
  11. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    Who ever said I liked Stannis? He moans about his rights to rule just as much as Dany, and just as annoying when he gets angry at people for not wanting to follow him. I support Robb Stark, the only King in the WOT5K who was crowned by his bannermen instead of him crowning himself.
  12. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    Dany is the Queen of Titles, that really irks me, and gives off a sense of arrogance that she possesses. Daenerys Stormborn[1] Dany[2] The Unburnt[1] Mhysa[3] The silver queen[4] Silver Lady[5] Dragonmother[6] The dragon queen[7] Breaker of Chains[8] Other Titles Queen of Meereen[1] Queen of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men[1](claimant) Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea[9](formerly) Queen of the Seven Kingdoms[10](claimant) Princess of Dragonstone[11](claimant) The only way she's going to be queen of Westeros or for Griff to become king of Westeros is conquest. No one, but maybe the Martells or TV Tyrells will rise up for them. All of the houses that stayed loyal to them like Connington, Grafton, Darry etc are either dust or loyal to another.
  13. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    "Occasional poor ruler" Almost every other ruler was terrible. Aerys, Maegor, Baelor, Viserys, Aegon IV, Daeron etc. That's just the kings, not counting other family members or princes like Rhaegar, Aerion, Viserys, Aemond etc. I'm not saying that the First Men or Andal houses were any better in their conquests or such, but the self-righteous Targaryens/Dany/Viserys/Griff are horrible. Blood purity, threats that end with "fire and blood", moaning about rights to rule when they came into power from conquest, practice of incest etc, fans of slavery, their worse than the First Men and Andals. More "civilized" and "advanced"? Sure, only to WMDs.
  14. There are five main god/gods shown in ASOIAF with there also being hundreds of smaller ones. Drowned God, Many Faced God, Old Gods, R'hllor, and the Seven are the five main religions that we've been introduced to, and they all have differing beliefs, rituals, and locations. The DG being on the bleak, and cruel Iron Islands, the MFG being on the diverse Braavos, the OGOTF being in the cold North, R'hllor being on a distant land, and the Seven being in the South. We've had characters that interact with religions ranging from Arya and the MFG to Bran with the OGOTF to Aeron and the DG. Anyways, do the religions have a "avatar" or a manifestation of the deity in a human? You had Lodos 1 and Lodos 2 who claimed to be the son of the Drowned God, but has there ever been someone said to be that specific deity incarnate? You could make the case that Patchface is the Drowned God avatar with his ramblings, and how he scares Melisandre, even more so since the Drowned God, and R'hllor could be considered opposites since the DG is associated with death, and R'hllor with life, and the obvious fire vs water mentality. Stannis is celebrated as Azor Ahai Reborn which we all know to be a farce, but we don't really have a R'hllor avatar besides that. Bran could be considered the Old Gods avatar with him being celebrated as the Three Eyed Raven in the tv show at least, and being one of the last known greenseers, which may be what the Old Gods really are. The OG being greenseers who are thought to be Gods etc. The Seven don't really have a manifestation as one person, but you can see interpretations of the Seven in people in ASOIAF like Arya being the Stranger, Sansa the Maiden, Bran the Builder/Smith, Ned the Father, Catelyn the Mother, Robb the Warrior, and "Rickon the Crone?" The Many Faced God is said to be every god with a different incarnation, and his avatars could be said to be the Faceless Men or Arya or such, but it's confusing. Anyways, that's the end of my post, but do you think there are avatars of the main faiths of Planetos?
  15. Anyone else dislike Valyrians/Targaryens?

    I think I need to rephrase my question since I'm wrong about the Valyrians as a whole. Do any of you hate the Targaryens? I dislike Griff, Viserys, and Daenerys, but I like some Targaryens like Daemon Blackfyre, Aegor Rivers, Brynden Rivers, Egg etc. I feel like arrogance is a trait in Targaryens with people like Daenerys, Viserys, Aerion, Aerys etc. I know that in this type of government that a good majority of the Lords of Westeros are arrogant, but it seems pointed out even more so with the Targaryens, maybe because their main characters or so, but that's just how I feel.