Lynesse

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  1. Thank you! Jon Arryn knighting Robert would also be my assumption.
  2. A Mesopotamian one, I remember reading about it a while ago. Babylon? I'll see if I can find it again.
  3. Do we know who knighted the three Baratheon brothers? (I assume Stannis was knighted, though we never hear of it, since he knighted Davos.)
  4. Agreed that Illyrio is probably the most likely candidate. I have two more ideas: Satin, Jon's steward. He combs sweet scent in his beard. More of a crackpot – how about the Tyrells? The are upjumped stewards, their sigil is a rose, they are associated with pleasant smells. Off the top of my my head, when Sansa meets Olenna for the first time, Olenna “smelled of rosewater.” (ASOS Sansa I)
  5. The Lannisters. Tywin, Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion, Genna are wonderfully complex and entertaining characters. Most of the others we know – Kevan, Lancel, Devan come to mind – are sympathetic and very human. They are a house of extremes and glamour. I also love their naming conventions (the Ty- names).
  6. AGOT – Jon Snow (tough choice – I neither dislike the character nor the POV, his is just the one I enjoy the least in this awesome book) ACOK – Jon Snow (see above; plus find Ygritte slightly annoying) ASOS – Bran (with the exception of the Harrenhal tourney chapter) AFFC – all of the Dorne POVs, Aeron, Samwell (still love the book for the Cersei and Alayne/Sansa chapters) ADWD – Tyrion (mostly boring travelogue; his self-pity and repetitive intrusive thoughts are somehow both boring and disturbing)
  7. Great idea for a thread! Generally, I feel GRRM writes women very well. At times however it is obvious that he doesn't inhabit a female body. I found Sansa's PMS before her first period (cramping, breasts aching, irritability) in ACOK described rather well, so he does make an effort. BUT – no woman would ever apply perfume to her outer labia, at least not more than once. (Probably not to her nipples when she is supposed to put on a thin silk gown over it, either.) That is like applying perfume on your upper eyelid, close to the eyeball. Ouch. Regarding Daenerys' masturbation scene, a woman doesn't gasp when feeling how wet she is down there. You can usually feel your vagina lubricating, and it's not like that is shocking to you. I found the whole scene to be cringe-inducing. (These are just two examples off the top of my head.) Also, and it is understandable for GRRM not to write about it since he lacks the experience, but the menstrual cycle and everything that comes with it is very influential in a woman's daily life (speaking for myself and friends here). Which is why I found the Sansa example so commendable. Arianne apparently being mostly boobs bothered me. Imagine a guy described as being mostly his scrotum (“fondling his lush scrotum” etc.). The Daenerys/Drogo relationship was disturbing to me and reeks of Stockholm Syndrome. The widespread hatred of especially Catelyn and Sansa in the fandom (often by people who habitually defend utter monsters like Littlefinger) disturbs me and seems to originate in misogyny. In describing the physical attraction his female characters feel for males, often the effort absolutely is there and it works well, like when Asha thinks about her lover Qarl. There is room for improvement, though. (Speaking only for myself and a few close female friends I often discuss this topic with, we tend to pay the most attention to the face, the general body shape, especially the shoulders, the hands and upper arms, the voice, and the smell.) I agree with the point that some tertiary or even secondary female characters – Shae, Tysha, Ygritte – don't seem to have much of a tangible personality. I have a soft spot for Pia (and the way she is written as seen by Jaime), though, who, by the way, is not a prostitute but works in the buttery at Harrenhal.
  8. Regarding the Tullys being tall-ish: both Catelyn and Lysa are described as being taller than Littlefinger, which might point to above average height for a female.
  9. 63 (and 163) have stuck out to me a few times. In ADWD, Reek II, Theon manipulates the 63 surviving Ironborn to leave Moat Cailin. In ADWD, Jon V (the very next chapter), Jon collects 63 new recruits for the Watch in Mole's Town. In ASOS, Daenerys finds 163 children nailed on posts on her way to Meereen, and executes 163 noble Meereenese in the same way. No idea what this means, perhaps the numbers are just meant to show parallels.
  10. That's one "horror", not "horrors", plural. And we hardly know anything about her and what she might or might not say in a moment of indignation.
  11. The official age calculation (in the wiki) puts Harrold Hardyng's age at 18 in 300 AC: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Years_after_Aegon's_Conquest/Calculations_Ages_(Continued)#Harrold_Hardyng
  12. It does make sense only if the Waynwoods, like members of House Royce (or perhaps just Myranda and maybe Bronze Yohn), either know or strongly suspect that Alayne might be Sansa Stark. The whole Alayne cover story doesn't hold up under close inspection (and it isn't supposed to hold up for very long, so the cover can be blown eventually). An obviously highborn (speech, courtesy, behavior) girl the right age who looks "too much like Catelyn" as Lysa Arryn put it (ASOS, Sansa VI) turns up in the Vale out of nowhere, after Sansa Stark has disappeared from King's Landing, as the supposed bastard daughter of her dead mother's foster brother, who is known to have been very close with the Tully sisters as children. Littlefinger himself was apparently able to identify Sansa as Catelyn's daughter at first sight. We know that at least Bronze Yohn is familiar with Catelyn's appearance and has also seen Sansa before when he visited Winterfell. ("Do I know you, girl?", AFFC, Alayne I) Most if not all of the Vale lords would also have known a young Lysa. How would Lady Anya know that Alayne is gently bred and especially what horrors she has suffered? The only "horror" in "Alayne's" life Lady Anya would know about would be watching Lysa being pushed out the Moon Door. Jon being the new LC seems a rather odd thing for Myranda to mention to Alayne out of nowhere. And how likely is it that a bastard girl raised by the Faith in Gulltown would know the name of Eddard Stark's bastard son, and would show much of a reaction to him being mentioned? The North also has its own accent:
  13. The North remembers. What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger. Dragons plant no trees. Woman? Is that meant to insult me? I would return the slap if I took you for a man. His sigil ought to be a fat man sitting on his arse. The red will run, and we'll put some wrongs aright. Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner. Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey. Any of you, I would think. Even the cook. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world... And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands around your pale white throat and choke the life from you. I am the storm.
  14. Many were already mentioned (Red Wedding, Littlefinger pushing Lysa out the Moon Door)... Robb reuniting with Catelyn (AGOT) Jon meeting Mance Rayder (ASOS) Samwell manipulating Denys Mallister and Cotter Pyke (ASOS) Roose Bolton talking to Theon/Reek about Ramsay (ADWD) The scenes of Jon talking to Stannis in ADWD
  15. "You are a ward of the crown. The king stands in your father's place, since your brother is an attainted traitor. That means he has every right to dispose of your hand. You are to marry my brother Tyrion." - Cersei to Sansa in Sansa III, ASOS That would make marrying her without the crown's consent treason, no? It would certainly be considered a massive affront and an outrage. Very interesting point raised in the OP. It's puzzling indeed.