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  1. Great idea for a thread! Generally, I feel GRRM writes women very well. At times however it is obvious that he doesn't inhabit a female body. I found Sansa's PMS before her first period (cramping, breasts aching, irritability) in ACOK described rather well, so he does make an effort. BUT – no woman would ever apply perfume to her outer labia, at least not more than once. (Probably not to her nipples when she is supposed to put on a thin silk gown over it, either.) That is like applying perfume on your upper eyelid, close to the eyeball. Ouch. Regarding Daenerys' masturbation scene, a woman doesn't gasp when feeling how wet she is down there. You can usually feel your vagina lubricating, and it's not like that is shocking to you. I found the whole scene to be cringe-inducing. (These are just two examples off the top of my head.) Also, and it is understandable for GRRM not to write about it since he lacks the experience, but the menstrual cycle and everything that comes with it is very influential in a woman's daily life (speaking for myself and friends here). Which is why I found the Sansa example so commendable. Arianne apparently being mostly boobs bothered me. Imagine a guy described as being mostly his scrotum (“fondling his lush scrotum” etc.). The Daenerys/Drogo relationship was disturbing to me and reeks of Stockholm Syndrome. The widespread hatred of especially Catelyn and Sansa in the fandom (often by people who habitually defend utter monsters like Littlefinger) disturbs me and seems to originate in misogyny. In describing the physical attraction his female characters feel for males, often the effort absolutely is there and it works well, like when Asha thinks about her lover Qarl. There is room for improvement, though. (Speaking only for myself and a few close female friends I often discuss this topic with, we tend to pay the most attention to the face, the general body shape, especially the shoulders, the hands and upper arms, the voice, and the smell.) I agree with the point that some tertiary or even secondary female characters – Shae, Tysha, Ygritte – don't seem to have much of a tangible personality. I have a soft spot for Pia (and the way she is written as seen by Jaime), though, who, by the way, is not a prostitute but works in the buttery at Harrenhal.
  2. Regarding the Tullys being tall-ish: both Catelyn and Lysa are described as being taller than Littlefinger, which might point to above average height for a female.
  3. 63 (and 163) have stuck out to me a few times. In ADWD, Reek II, Theon manipulates the 63 surviving Ironborn to leave Moat Cailin. In ADWD, Jon V (the very next chapter), Jon collects 63 new recruits for the Watch in Mole's Town. In ASOS, Daenerys finds 163 children nailed on posts on her way to Meereen, and executes 163 noble Meereenese in the same way. No idea what this means, perhaps the numbers are just meant to show parallels.
  4. That's one "horror", not "horrors", plural. And we hardly know anything about her and what she might or might not say in a moment of indignation.
  5. The official age calculation (in the wiki) puts Harrold Hardyng's age at 18 in 300 AC:'s_Conquest/Calculations_Ages_(Continued)#Harrold_Hardyng
  6. It does make sense only if the Waynwoods, like members of House Royce (or perhaps just Myranda and maybe Bronze Yohn), either know or strongly suspect that Alayne might be Sansa Stark. The whole Alayne cover story doesn't hold up under close inspection (and it isn't supposed to hold up for very long, so the cover can be blown eventually). An obviously highborn (speech, courtesy, behavior) girl the right age who looks "too much like Catelyn" as Lysa Arryn put it (ASOS, Sansa VI) turns up in the Vale out of nowhere, after Sansa Stark has disappeared from King's Landing, as the supposed bastard daughter of her dead mother's foster brother, who is known to have been very close with the Tully sisters as children. Littlefinger himself was apparently able to identify Sansa as Catelyn's daughter at first sight. We know that at least Bronze Yohn is familiar with Catelyn's appearance and has also seen Sansa before when he visited Winterfell. ("Do I know you, girl?", AFFC, Alayne I) Most if not all of the Vale lords would also have known a young Lysa. How would Lady Anya know that Alayne is gently bred and especially what horrors she has suffered? The only "horror" in "Alayne's" life Lady Anya would know about would be watching Lysa being pushed out the Moon Door. Jon being the new LC seems a rather odd thing for Myranda to mention to Alayne out of nowhere. And how likely is it that a bastard girl raised by the Faith in Gulltown would know the name of Eddard Stark's bastard son, and would show much of a reaction to him being mentioned? The North also has its own accent:
  7. The North remembers. What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger. Dragons plant no trees. Woman? Is that meant to insult me? I would return the slap if I took you for a man. His sigil ought to be a fat man sitting on his arse. The red will run, and we'll put some wrongs aright. Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner. Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived, he would have grown up to be a Frey. Any of you, I would think. Even the cook. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world... And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands around your pale white throat and choke the life from you. I am the storm.
  8. Many were already mentioned (Red Wedding, Littlefinger pushing Lysa out the Moon Door)... Robb reuniting with Catelyn (AGOT) Jon meeting Mance Rayder (ASOS) Samwell manipulating Denys Mallister and Cotter Pyke (ASOS) Roose Bolton talking to Theon/Reek about Ramsay (ADWD) The scenes of Jon talking to Stannis in ADWD
  9. "You are a ward of the crown. The king stands in your father's place, since your brother is an attainted traitor. That means he has every right to dispose of your hand. You are to marry my brother Tyrion." - Cersei to Sansa in Sansa III, ASOS That would make marrying her without the crown's consent treason, no? It would certainly be considered a massive affront and an outrage. Very interesting point raised in the OP. It's puzzling indeed.
  10. The hints of Cersei's weight gain (those hints are indeed subtle - she is narcissistic, and her psychopathology makes her an unreliable narrator, which is probably why I find her POV so fascinating to read) I found in Cersei V: “Whilst Jocelyn was making certain that all was in readiness for the supper, Dorcas helped the queen into her new gown. It had stripes of shiny green satin alternating with stripes of plush black velvet, and intricate black Myrish lace above the bodice. Myrish lace was costly, but it was necessary for a queen to look her best at all times, and her wretched washerwomen had shrunk several of her old gowns so they no longer fit. She would have whipped them for their carelessness, but Taena had urged her to be merciful.” (AFFC, Cersei V) Jaime appears in the same chapter and still acknowledges her beauty: “His glance fell to the water beading in the golden hair between her legs. He still wants me. "Pining for what you've lost, brother?" Jaime raised his eyes. "I love you too, sweet sister. But you're a fool. A beautiful golden fool." (AFFC, Cersei V) There is another hint of her weight gain in Cersei VI, when she goes to see the High Sparrow for the first time: “If I had known I was going to have to walk, I would have dressed for it. She wore a white gown slashed with cloth-of-gold, lacy but demure. It had been several years since the last time she had donned it, and the queen found it uncomfortably tight about the middle.” (AFFC, Cersei VI) I believe there are more but I can't find them right now. Jaime used to taunt Brienne about her looks (though perhaps mostly because it is an easy way to get to her) and thinks about Cersei's beauty rather a lot when thinking about her. (I should read up on that.) With regards to Cersei's mood swings, I've been wondering whether they can be explained entirely by her personality disorder, the alcoholism, or perhaps a combination of factors? She is becoming increasingly short-tempered and cruel even towards loved ones (Jaime, Tommen). Mood swings can also be an early sign of pregnancy, as is bloating.
  11. I'm currently on a Cersei re-read (working on a theory). Both her expanding waistline (which is only ever mentioned in Cersei's own POV, never in Jaime's IIRC) and her excessive drinking put us in mind of Robert, whom Cersei herself, ironically, often favorably compares herself to (“Robert would have been too drunk to rise, let alone rule”). Her alcoholism slowly seems to turn her into her own abuser, Robert. She even tries to play the role of Robert in the famous Myrish swamp scene. The physical symptoms Cersei exhibits can IMO be chalked up to alcoholism or withdrawal (when she is held captive by the Faith), respectively. The sagginess is easily explained by Cersei having carried and nursed three children and being in her mid-thirties now, as well as her weight fluctuating recently. I believe what is relevant here is her own realization of it. Jaime's POV gives us no hint of any weight gain or sagginess, interestingly (again, IIRC). Cersei has sex with Osney Kettleblack twice – once as a reward for him for killing the High Septon, and then again when she talks him into “confessing” to the High Sparrow about Margaery.
  12. (Long time lurker, but this is my first ever post, so hallo ) Robb - Margaery would no doubt be the best choice, but I agree that Mace likely would not have it. (Myrcella Baratheon is too young to give Robb heirs for a couple of years still. Alys Karstark is betrothed to Daryn Hornwood.) So my second, and way more likely, choice would be Ysilla Royce. And I'd arrange the wedding asap. Sansa - Willas Tyrell Arya - Elmar Frey. (Unfortunately, we really need the Freys.) Have him sent to Winterfell as a ward. Bran - Myrcella Baratheon. Have her sent to Winterfell as a ward, if at all possible. Rickon - Keep him as a spare so he can be betrothed at need. Jon - Send him to the Wall and let his arc unfold there the way it does. Theon - an Umber daughter, so he is off the board and really tied to the North. As for marrying into the Greyjoys, Balon hates the Starks about as much as anyone, and, well, Ned has Theon anyway. (As Ned without a time machine, or without the Wot5k looming, most of my choices would be different, though.)