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  1. A lot of people forget in asos in a Jon chapter during a conversation with ygritte she clearly states that when they were digging in the frost fangs "they let all those shades out on to the earth." So maybe they released the white walkers sleeping in ice while looking for the horn of joramun.
  2. As far as asoiaf is concerned Robb stark is hands down the best military commander. He never lost a battle for one. He may not have been a good player in the political theory part of the game but he is easily the best general. His men/lords/people loved him. He won over the loyalty of not only jus own people but when the river lords swore fealty he did something no other stark king had done before. But the biggest part is undefeated in the field. Some people will give the credit to his captains or maybe even the decisions of the opposing but that's part of being a good general. You have to listen to your captains that's why they are your captains and you have to take advantage of your opponents weaknesses. After Robb I would say it's a tie between Tywin and stannis. They both won battles and are extremely effective in the field. They both run the army very well and organized too. Jon connington has accomplished a lot and seems the be a clever and effective commander. Randyll Tarly has a very solid reputation. Jaime won one battle in GOT but also blundered and was captured, and got his army massacred. After them I would say jon snow but before I give him any serious credit let's see what he does with a real army on a real battlefield. He led The battle for the wall extremely well especially considering the resources but that aside he had a 700 foot wall to stand on top of.
  3. How do some posters believe that the starks are poor or looked down on by the rest of the kingdoms. If anything the books have explicitly told us how revered the starks are.They are one of the most noble families in westeros to the point that I can guarantee the lynesse Hightower situation who married jorah mormont and resided on bear island would have been completely different if say she married a robb stark and resided in winterfell(obviously this is not feasible it was a example). From what I have seen in all my reading of the woiaf that it's not like the real world was where it was a huge deal to build a castle. I believe especially in the current era where ned was lord of winterfell and Robert was king that ned could have restored moat cailin and ceded it to someone(one of his sons) very easily and trouble free with not only Roberts blessing but I bet he would have expanded the lands of the new lordship too. At this point in the worlds history we don't hear or see anyone building a castle but we do see people refortifying castles and expanding them with no problems or issues.
  4. This is just a fun scenario I don't think anyone else has done yet. You are a andal war lord who has been extremely successful as a mercenary. You are relatively young to do all the things you have done being only 24. You have gathered a very powerful following of warriors 5k strong who after 8 years of battle after battle are the best a commander can ask for. These men after fighting with you have sworn undying loyalty because of their respect. Something has happened that you never expected would happen. You have earned a magnificent reputation as a warrior and battle commander after years of war. You became a mercenary and after years of proving your self as a warrior you have now spent the last 5 years as commander of your own following of warriors you have not only made a fortune in gold but along the way you have armed your men with the best steel that can be found. When you came back to the village you and your men have raised there is a westerosi of the first men with a small unit of men waiting for. This messenger as it turns out to be is the youngest son of the former king stark of winterfell and he tells you about his current situation; when his father died his middle brother had his oldest brother murdered and his young nephew as well and had himself crowned. The exiled stark prince swears that he can raise almost half the north to fight his brother. He is positive that if you join him with your FAMOUS group of warriors and your reputation as a battle commander and warrior men will join your and his banners and can win. You won't fight for free or risk your men for a foreign noble cause. The hopeful king in the north makes you a deal. For your aid in casting down his evil brother and putting him on the throne in winterfell he will make you one of the top 3 most powerful lords in the north on par in land and wealth with the Boltons, Umbers, and Dustins. He will grant you a entirely new lordship and the gold(along with your considerable amount of gold you have already) to completely rebuild and refortify your new castle. This aspiring young king has made you lord of moat cailin, warden of the causeway, and the fancy new title defender of the throne. The land he is granting you is considerable north and south of the moat. This would in normal circumstances be a bit difficult considering that the lands already belong to different lords but considering the wars to come you are confident that reputation and battle will secure these lands comfortably. Last but maybe even more intriguing your new chosen king has offered you the true prize of the north; his 17 year old sister who is famed even in andalos as a rare beauty. When your brother murdered your other brother and his young son; you and your sister escaped south of the neck into the riverlands and are currently residing in raventree hall under the protection of the mudd kings. The mudd king married his daughter to your aspiring stark king adding his support your war. You land in the riverlands and you learn your dispositions. The sitting "evil" stark king has raised his banners and has a formidable force of 20k men. He has married a Bolton daughter adding one of the most powerful lords to his cause. You and your new made king and brother in law have the military backing of a few of the ambitious northern lords. You have the support of the young lord Dustin adding 3k men to your army. He was not the only one; the northern clans have joined you as well and added another 3k men, the umbers declared for you and your king and are marching to add 3,500 men to your cause. You also have additional support from the riverlords and mudd king. The mudd king is no warrior and he hopes he can call on the new lord of the moat and the north for aid so he is allowing his lords to join you and is giving you 1k of his best men along with gold, arms, and armor. The lord blackwood is giving you 1k men to your cause, the tully lords of riverrun are giving you another 1k men, and the brackens to not be out done by the blackwoods are adding another 1k men to fight in this war for the north. This support has given you 18,500 men to fight against the sitting stark kings 20k. Both armies have their advantages over the other. The sinister enthroned stark king has the advantage in heavy cavalry numbering 6k of his 20k. He also controls more castles in the north along with the legitimacy. A majority of the lords support him out of fear even though they know he murdered his brother and young nephew. They will abandon him if you can hurt him enough to look weak but you have to make him look weak. You have your advantages as well. You are one of the best and most experienced battle commanders in the world and people fear your reputation as a warrior as well. You might be outmatched in heavy cavalry but your heavy infantfy outclasses your opponent exponentially. Of your 18,500 men 8k men are extremely well armed and armored as well as battle hardened. You also outclass your rival in archers as well. You do lack in heavy cavalry only numbering about 3k. You lack as many castles as your opponent does but the ones you do possess strategically very important. You possess moat cailin, you have the support of barrowtown hall, and also you have the allegiance of last hearth giving you a very strong castle and a chance to have a force close in on your enemies forces from the north. So what do you guys think? How do you prevail? Can you prevail? What else might you need? Do you need the support of one of the other regional kings? Do you need to fear one of the other regional kings? Let me know what you guys think.
  5. The best place for jon was exactly where he was being raised as a stark. I really wish he didn't join the nw and was able to march south with Robb. It would have been really interesting to see what would have happened if he went south with ned but then he probably would have died with everyone else. One thing I always thought would have been way too cool would be if ned disgusted with Roberts pathetic rule, the obvious flaws in the crowned prince, and the fact that it is only a matter of time until the crown virtually becomes a lannister crown and plots to crown jon as rheagars and lyannas son. I always thought it would have been really cool not seeing a bride that helps robbs future rule; sneaks dany in the north protected by the north and marries robb to dany.
  6. I just firmly believe that with the way the lords and knights of westeros hop on bandwagons and what seems to be the cool thing that moment that if robb could have gotten a chance to get to the vale and speak to the lords they would jump at the chance. Clearly the arryns are keeping the eyrie and lords paramount of the vale but with robbs popularity and reputation as a battle commander lysa in my honest opinion would be pushed to the side. Also it would still be robert arryn being so sickly and only a matter of time until Harold hardyng becomes Harold arryn who would jump at.the chance to sit with someone like robb stark and feed off of his reputation.
  7. Wanting to fight the lannisters because of the blame for the murder of jon arryn and the wardenship was originally why they wanted to fight but sansa clearly states in feast that the vale lords led by bronze yohn that they were on "the brink of open rebellion against lysa over her refusal to join robb in his war." That isn't the exact quote but it's something like that.
  8. As we all know at the very least half the lords of the vale including the most powerful lord Bronze Yohn Royce wanted to join robb in his war. I think it's pretty safe to assume considering the way lords and knights follow the popular trends and lords that if the vale declared for robb that all the vale would have eagerly joined and I don't think any vale lords would rebel. My real question is that would the vale lords bend the knee and declare robb stark king of the mountain and vale like the river lords did? I believe that they would have for a few reasons. Firstly because that just seems to be the way westeros is; in a popular trend they would have bent just because it seemed to be the thing to do. My second reason and in my opinion the actual reason why I believe they would have declared robb stark king is because the current arryn situation. Robert arryn and lysa tully do not inspire any kind of loyalty or promise. In declaring for robb they make him absolutely powerful enough to win his war and pretty much do as he pleases. Yes the lannisters have the wealth and power of highgarden but the reach's army only faught one battle and hardly battle tested unlike Robb Starks host that has faught countless battles at this point. Also the reach's army is mostly a peasant levy. The lannisters are a spent force. Tywins army is mostly intact minus the losses from the 3 battles it was in but Jaimes army destroyed and they lost the force under ser stafford. Robb Stark just before the red wedding at least 12k northmen alone if not even more at hand not to mention the obvious reserves back in the north. He has at least 10k rivermen to call on maybe more. If the vale join robb stark with the legendary knights of the vale we have all heard so much about since the story began with whatever force they add I just can't see Robb losing. He barely lost without the vale. Anyway what do you ppl think would the vale have declared for robb stark or declared for their own independence? Again just considering Robb Starks popularity already for his battle prowess and the fact that the north and the riverlands already crowned him I can't see the vale lords not jumping on the bandwagon. Robert arryn and lysa being the key reason why for the obvious reasons no one is ignorant to.
  9. The starks are extremely wealthy even tyrion says so telling bran that it's better to be a rich cripple. They're not just rich comparatively either. The starks have a monopoly on not only a very lucrative fur trade that the entire world trades and buys with but what is absolutely the money maker for the Starks is timber. The wolfswood is one of the largest forests in the world. They ship and trade with the entire world but what is the key is that they are the lumber resource of bravos that desperately needs all the lumber it can get because they can't chop down their own trees. Also while I can't be certain with all the times silver is mentioned with the Starks it's enough to make me think they might be in control of some silver mines. As far as rebuilding castles other than the first keep that has absolutely no use at all other than just another tower winterfell is in great condition and clearly ready for any siege. I believe that if the Starks wanted to build an entirely new castle they could but they don't need to. As far as moat cailin is concerned it is absolutely ridiculous that it's not rebuilt and fortified. It is a major flaw in the strategic defensive capabilities of the north as well as a major draw back to the offensive capabilities. I say this because if the moat was a functional castle with a lord or a landed knight with a garrison and everything else it should be the iron born are not taking it. Offensively the location value especially in the wot5k for troop deployment is undeniably a advantage. The starks should rebuild the moat and make it a seat for a younger son. If this was done in Robb Starks kingdom the new Stark lord of the moat could be given land north and south the moat along with a really fancy sounding title like warden and defender of the neck to become one of the most powerful lords in robb starks kingdom of the north and riverlands.
  10. The martells in my opinion are the weakest great house. Dorne has too much diversity in it. As for the riverlands their history grants each house the need for autonomy. The lack of natural defences and the fact that there is a war every generation is what drives that. In my opinion the riverlords didnt follow robb stark because of his tully blood they followed him because it was the sexiest option for them at the time. They stayed so loyal to robb stark because he turned out to be a good king. He won every battle and he was brave, good, and just.
  11. This is something that has never made sense to me. Robb is nearly 15 in the beginning of game and yet Catelyn or ned don't once even think about his marriage prospects. You'd think with all the political turmoil in the first book one or both of them would have had the thought well with this going on maybe I should talk to this about person about marrying their daughter to me heir. As of the middle of game there really only seems to be one option. Before I even say this I want to say that I hate the idea of these to marrying but at that point in the series it made the most sense. When ned SHOULD have sent Loras after the mountain he should have tried to marry Robb to Margery. I think it's very likely the tyrells would go for it. At thjs point ned is about to be lord protector, hand of the king, plus all of his birth titles. Also it gives the tyrells the chance of joining the power and prestige of being aligned with the Starks. It would be a very great and powerful alliance. I don't really see other options. Marrying into Dorne doesn't make sense for te Starks and other then the riverlands none of the other regions have a daughter that makes sense unless there is a Hightower that is near his age. I don't see ned an cat marrying their heir to one of their vassals considering they have 2 other sons, 2 daughters, and a bastard. The only option other than Margery that makes sense is myrcella which I could definitely see happening. Despite cerceis hatred of the Starks she definitely doesn't see them beneath her and considers them as good of a marriage match as possible for Joffrey.
  12. Clearly the lannisters would be a good choice. As someone said before you don't see any of his lords jumping ship to betray him when Robb is taking all the western castles(he even took ashemark). The baratheons clearly are capable. The storm lords are extremely Marshall in nature and the baratheons themselves are very competent warriors. obviously the Starks are capable. Robb carried the extreme loyalty of the entire north including roose until things went really against him and then it was only roose and Frey who betrayed him and frey was coaxed after Robb dishonored him. But regardless Robb had the extreme loyalties of the north, riverlands, and the vale was dying to join him and you can imagine would've bent the knee to him if they had half the chance considering they were dying to fight with him and would have if Lysa wasn't betraying her family for little finger. Also if theon had accomplished his task of getting the iron islands to fight the lannisters and they had the chance to fight a couple battles with Robb I bet they would have liked Robb and joined him like it seems everyone else did. i don't believe the tyrells could considering it doesn't seem they have the absolute loyalties of their own bannermen at all. The florents want to supplant them and the rest of the reach seem to just be biding their time for a chance(the peakes in the golden company say as much) the Martells do not have a grasp on Dorne. All of Dorne is too different and it seems every house in Dorne feels they should rule Dorne. no one but the iron islands would ever follow the greyjoys willingly let alone any iron borne house. the Arryns could possibly do it. They have a history of being extremely competent lords and the vale lords are loyal enough that even now with a very weak lord and the misrule of Lysa instead of trying to supplant them they just want the next heir in line to take over.
  13. This just doesn't make any sense. She has no right to winterfell and the northern lords would never accept her as their liege; even before the events of wot5k. After all the mistakes she's made and literally being a traitor she just wouldn't work. Realistically Jon was and is the only option. Catelyn just doesn't like it because of her own EXTREMELY selfish reasons. It's the same reasons she refused to let ned let jon stay at winterfell in the beginning of the story just because he's not her son despite that he's her children's brother. The only hard part is getting him out of the nights watch but I bet it wouldn't be as hard as we think.
  14. When Robb Stark splits bia army in 2 he originally wants to give his army to the undoubtedly loyal Greatjon Umber because he's fearless and wants to smash Lord Tywin. His mother thinks this is a mistake am advises Robb to send someone who is cold and cunning and he then chooses Roose Bolton. Now we all know this was a mistake and really he should've known it was a mistake as well. He is afraid of Roose from the beginning and there are reasons for it. I am not a fan of Catelyn and I personally hold her responsible for almost all the bad things that happened to the Starks. Obviously we as readers know what happened when Robb gave Roose all the autonomy and authority of having control of the northern foot. There were so many options that Robb had to choose from. I would Like to see what you guys think would have been different if he chose say Robett Glover for the command or Rickard Karstark or maybe decided to stay with Umber. In my dream scenario I would have loved to see a world where Jon doesn't join the nights watch for whatever reason and leaves before swear in the oath. Say right before he says his oath he decides to go back to winterfell just as the shits hitting the fan and marches with Robb. Robb and grey wind go to riverun while job gets the foot with ghost. As we know Jon winds up being a good battle commander. Atleast he wouldn't have betrayed Robb and the other northerners by purposefully killing off his own army and sending a 3rd of his foot on a suicide mission. What about you guys let me know what you would have liked to see instead of roose and his ultimate and what seems inevidable betrayal.