Pink Fat Rast

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  1. Btw something I forgot to mention, there's a possibility that the notion that her agenda might end up having a bit of an edge to it was actually implied by the score, i.e. in the ending sequence. 3 minutes of sunshine, optimism and spiritual elation, but then in the last 5 seconds when the camera goes for the final scenic zoom out and eventually the screen turns black, the tone suddenly turns more sinister and then ends on a note of worry and uncertainty. Might be meaningless and just something the composer came up with, but could also be, well, meaningful - no proof, but might be a potential clue ; - )
  2. aha Depends on the type of the complaint - if it's for example "Tht. Daenerys has no edges", and my counter is that yes, she does have edges and the ranter should pay more attention next time, then no, that wouldn't make me "pro-Daenerys" (maybe pro-Daenerys-scenes if I think they're better than they claim, but that's something else entirely). They get a lot of facts wrong over there, and their value judgements can be quite confusing as well: for example if the show adds "edge" to a character or scenario then that's bad juvenile cynicism, but if it reduces said edge then it's bad Hollywood Fanfiction. Personally I'd prefer as much moral ambiguity and confusion in this show as possible - so Jon's S5 arc was a huge missed opportunity in that regard, and if S7 goes for good two shoes Jonarys as some fear, it'll be yet another.
  3. As far as specifically Daenerys vs. Stark conflicts, the only way I can think of right at this point is if all those Red Priests take some issue with Bran's greenseeing / weirwood / CotF and start insisting that R'hllor has the correct solutions and answers to the threat rather than the "false Old Gods" - despite it being the other way around, most probably. As far as generally how could thinks develop in a somewhat less predicted manner: Probably something like different human factions trying to use the WWs to their advantage or finding some kind of way to control them or make a pact with them (i.e. like Craster, or maybe a Dead Man's Chest kind of thing) - not just Cersei or Euron, but neutral or "good parties" as well: Olenna could be tempted to use it against Cersei, the Warlocks to increase their power again; LF might prefer "ruling in hell to serving in relative heaven", and on it goes. Then a large part of "the end game" might end up consisting of humans fighting and plotting over WW control, those trying to "get good with the Gods" and finally those trying to destroy them as initially expected. Things could get messy if someone did an incantation and made the WWs invulnerable to dragonglass and fire etc. So that kind of situation could turn anyone into a zealot, and Daenerys the "fire queen" probably most of all - kinda hard to predict specifics though, if all that were to happen.
  4. Yeah! *Christ Rock gif* Drogo did nothing wrong. Uh, sure, okay It's a nice city. hm I came here to fight RRRRanters who complain about the showrunners worshipping St. Daenerys too much, among other issues - now I'm confused... The Throne was his by right.
  5. If the gray's gonna be cleared away, why have it there the whole time in the first place? Nah, keep it complicated till the end kthnx
  6. That was alright, but indiscriminately crucifying the masters was neither just nor pragmatic. Threatening to feed them to the dragons later on was, because she was demonstratively aware of some of them being innocent and it was to stop the terrorists. But the crucifixions were Dany's characteristic "blind justice" - i.e. the same impulse that drives an angry mob to lynch innocents while believing they're lynching murderers: angry, self-righteous, too reckless and driven to check properly. She didn't realize not all of them guilty (and neither did Selmy, apparently) until Hizdahr(?) told her. Not very pragmatic either, since that stunt must've contributed a lot to the Harpy insurgency... Maybe at some point the Dothraki and the wildlings were the same - but it looks like Mance (along with Tormund and whoever else) stirred them in a more noble direction, and he wanted to put a stop to the "raiding and killing" after crossing the Wall. They were driven primarily by survival, and secondarily by resentment against the crows and sutheners who were keeping them out - especially now that their existence is threatened by demons. It's questionable how noble Drogo could've ended up had he not dropped dead - shortly before he did so, he was still condoning unnecessary mass rape even though he agreed to put a halt to it to please his wife. Rape and pillage is in the very Dothraki culture and religion, and they hadn't been neutered yet like the Ironborn - I'm not aware of the same applying to most Wildlings, they were just generally savage and violent and warring with each other etc. but raiding and raping wasn't an inherent part of their "culture" was it? Hating the Crows sure, but that's about it. So under normal circumstances, Drogo probably couldn't have stirred his tribe away from that without losing his position - under slightly more messianic circumstances, if they had born their Stallion and started to unite all the Khalasars and whatnot, who knows; apparently they were awed enough by D's fire trick to turn at least slightly less evil, so who knows. But then Drogo died, and the dude from S6 didn't seem particularly benign, so yea - the Dothraki in S1-6, much worse than wildlings; the new Dothraki under Daenerys' leadership, maybe now comparable to wildlings under Mance's and now Jon's. Or.... at least MORE comparable - they're stilll out for glory and conquest, unlike the freefolk. No one's saying that she isn't "grey at worst" - however, causing massive damage in the euphoric belief you're doing good and restoring justice, can be a very dangerous thing, and in fact an evil thing in the eyes of those affected. So I'd say to herself she might appear as "light grey" (realizing her methods to be slightly... epic, but all in a good just cause and necessary), while in some others she'd be seen as "dark grey" - a horrible destructive tyrant who, in her own mind, thinks she's doing good. But that depends on her behavior in S7, I'm just saying that's the worst case scenario. 1) Burned isn't comparable to hanging. Though I guess clean beheading is even better. 2) Yes - she took direct revenge against Drogo; that's comparable to Olly killing Tormund or something (even though Tormund had a more ethical motivation in the first place). I bet even if he killed Ygritte in Jon's arms while she wasn trying to shoot him while they were on opposing sides of a battle, Jon still wouldn't have executed him - and if he had, it wouldn't have been brutal but at least then it would've started being comparable. Also: Olly was told, TWICE, about the necessity to make peace with the wildlings. There was never a "necessity" for Drogorys to invade Westeros in the first place, she didn't come up Mirri and said "look, I know Drogo burned down your village a month ago, but he was scared of the ghost grass and now the ghost grass is on its way here - please understand, and don't kill my baby out of revenge if that's possible he's prophsized to eat all the grass, saving YOU from it as well". You mean magi? Uh, I dunno, have any of them sheep people done anything bad anywhere? She went quite a bit further in her "break the wheel" speech. However, she showed willingness to moderate herself after learning Aerys was a tyrant => Baratheons maybe not so bad for eliminating him, etc. The question at this point is, is she gonna continue on this, uh, more enlightened path provided by her various advisors, or are the zeal and glory going to take over again? She shows some dangers of slipping. Jon probably wouldn't be particularly tempted to "kill all the Lannisters" after befriending Tyrion - though I'd prefer if he did and then someone had to bang heads with him over his hypocrisy with the wildlings; we've got enough noble heroes elsewhere, I want more juicy grey shades in my game of thrones. She was Stockholm-deluded into thinking that killing her beloved warlord invader and the prophesized super-invader in her womb was an utterly evil act - as was the audience, that's why she appeared as sympathetic when getting back at Mirri, even though objectively it's the other way around. Has she shown regrets about that after she's gained power and freedom? Or I guess it hasn't been brought up by anyone. Even though that she's "taken them as allies", or followers even, her motivation is still glory rather than something noble - or, rather, it's primarily the former, but she's convinced the latter plays a big role and the two could end up being in conflict later on. That was a noble cause, yep. However, Westeros isn't enslaved atm - depending on how tyrannical Cersei's gonna be, anyway; the Tyrant in the North had just been defeated, and Dorne/Reach seem fine for now. No one said "absolute bitch", but for some more nuance see the breakdowns above^^^^ 1) Boltons = asshats; Westeros on its whole, not so much. 2) Daenerys has shown self-righteous recklessness even in pursuit of the "noble" cause, i.e. freeing the slaves and crucifying a bunch of masters who were innocent (probably). And taking back Westeros is even less of a clear-cut issue than slave cities - HOWEVER, the way things are right now, if she stays allied with the good Starks, the good Tyrells, the "good" Martell/Sands (at least in the sense they seem not to be going after their population), and Yara's Ironborn, all of whom support her claim to the throne, while opposing Cersei (with nuance even, judging by the leaks) and Euron's Ironborn; and makes sure neither the Dothraki nor her red priests get to apply their glorious ways to the wrong people... then I'd say the better angels of her nature are bound to prevail - or, in fact, even avoid temptation altogether. ... ..... Let's see how that'll work out
  7. "Shock" deaths
  8. Varys rejects magic, he doesn't necessarily have a valid opinion about mystical chosen ones and stuff like that. Yes, for the story to end in a "simplistic" fashion would be a let down - but a Chosen One at the center wouldn't necessitate such a thing, there's be plenty of ways of doing that I imagine.
  9. That was their "pragmatic" warfare tactics while they were trying to escape mass extinction. I think the show went a bit too far portraying them as essentially noble savages though (with the exception of Thenns) - could've been a lot more bad apples, dilemmas and ambiguity there. Again, that was just the Thenns. Free the North of cruel tyranny, also said Walkers from the north and Boltons from the south was a bit too much - Ramsay also was gonna attack the Wall to get Sansa, presumably. Not complete saints tho Daenerys wants to cahnquer and has a strong tendency to see all Westerosi as enemies - it's a good thing she teamed up with some of them. Also she burned Mirri even though she was more in the right than her - thought she had been "wronged". despite drawing first blood. Well, it is for that particular reason
  10. Might've been symbahlic.
  11. Pfft lame, just a bunch of trees and fountains that's all there is
  12. Roose was clearly expecting Cerse's ary, he wanted the Nothern houses to be loyal to him by that point.
  13. Well, sleeping around wasn't the worst thing Zeus did - that'd be the Prometheus thing, or at least it's certainly up there. On the other hand, he was a strong defender of guest right, and other forms of justice I think, and he along with all the gods was highly disgusted by "Pelops pie" and punished Tantalus accordingly. His brother Hades wasn't evil and in fact probably a better person than Zeus. Apollo (and Artemis) shot up a bunch of innocent youths because Niobe blasphemed against his mother - though either Niobe or one of the sons started pleading for mercy and he started feeling pity: but it was too late, the arrow had already left the bow etc. Artemis had a guy killed just for accidentally wandering into her tent and seeing her naked (too big a privilege for a mortal) - but overall, Apollo and Artemis were rather positive figures unlike Ares, and represented youth, beauty, health and stuff like that. Oedipus was a pretty cool guy, but he angrily killed Laius just for being an old curmudgeonly prick standing in his way, and didn't feel sorry until he learned it was his father. Achilles was a bit of a jerk and went completely crayyyyyy after Hector killed his friend in battle - but he also valiantly defended Iphigenia from sacrifice (ready to die for her until she insisted on the sacrifice herself), showed respect to Priamus when he asked him to bury Hector properly etc. ("Troy" kinda captured the gist of it, even though it made Achilles a bit nicer overall, and the rest of the Greeks less sympathetic - thing is, Menelaos went after his wife, but most of the others had to join him because they had sworn an oath earlier.) Odysseus is mostly seen as a hero who got his home back from a bunch of douchebags - though killing those douchebags' mistresses wasn't quite so nice, probably. The whole Agamemnon story goes back and forth, either he was a complete asshat and deserved to get killed by his wife, or his wife was a conniving bitch who conspired with her lover - either way, her son was commanded by Apollo god to stab her in return, and then he was pursued by the Erinyes for matricide and had to seek the proection of Athena etc. So that's a pretty nice cocktail of greyshade isn't it? Point is, despite all the "sanitized modern adaptations" (of which Troy isn't one), I think people are generally familiar with the gist of the original myths - most people who came to think that GoT was "groundbreaking" in that particular regard, at least as far as famous works ago, are probably familiar with all those Greek figures and just forgot to make that connection.
  14. Eh, I'd say calling yourself King is directly challenging the South, which is slightly worse than just marrying their kingslayer - would speed up the retribution or make it an even higher priority for KL. Could be wrong tho, not sure
  15. Well, I expect Asshai / Shadowlands to get a pay-off since that stuff does seem to be of central importance (i.e. as opposed to the underground monsters from LOTR, or the Deep Ones associated with the Ironborn) - Quaithe herself doesn't have to come back, but maybe the group or agenda she belonged to.