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  1. I really wish there was a like button here...
  2. I eagerly await criticism on the title of this thread and how I probably screwed up the roman numerals. Also, should we allow TUC spoilers here yet?
  3. This is the perpetual thread devoted to the works of R. Scott Bakker, primarily the books in The Second Apocalypse series, the first novel is The Darkness that Comes Before, the seventh novel was published on July 4, 2017 and is The Unholy Consult. It is currently available for purchase. This thread is for the series through The Great Ordeal and contains spoilers through that novel. The series is called The Second Apocalypse and is currently comprised of two sub-series, a trilogy and a quartet. Potentially, there will be a third series, although the author has stated that the quartet completes his original vision for the story. The first trilogy of books is subtitled The Prince of Nothing these three books are: The Darkness that Comes Before The Warrior Prophet The Thousandfold Thought The second quartet of books is subtitled The Aspect Emperor, these four books are: The Judging Eye The White-Luck Warrior The Great Ordeal The Unholy Consult (2017). The Unholy Consult also includes an expanded Appendix/Encyclopedic Glossary. The original Glossary exists currently only at the end of the third book, The Thousandfold Thought. Additionally, Bakker has published three short stories, The False Sun and The Four Revelations of Cinial'jin on Bakker's Blog Three Pound Brain (and now also as appendices in The Unholy Consult) and The Knife of Many Hands, which is available for purchase. There is also another short story, The Carathayan, available for purchase in this anthology (along with a introduction by Bakker)This thread contains spoilers for these publications. The False Sun is the most discussed work of these three shorts. Since Bakker's writing uses layers of revelation, newcomers are strongly advised to finish the books before coming here; otherwise the spoilers will rot your soul. Eternally. Of potential interest, Bakker did stop by the board shortly after the release of The Great Ordeal and did answer several questions. That discussion can be found here.. Most denizens of this thread have also read Bakker's non-fantasy novels Neuropath and Disciple of the Dog, but the spoiler policy is unclear. You are advised to hide crucial plot points in those novels. Thanks to Happy Ent for the intro to the thread.
  4. The Stone Sky comes out tomorrow. Looking forward to reading it, Amazon claims I should have my copy tomorrow as it already shipped.
  5. I'll take a stab at it. Essentially what she is saying is that before Inri dies there, she believes she would give up anything, her own life, her own power, her own possessions to best him. He, being Dûnyain, would not be so willing to give up his own life, nor his holding of power and so she felt this was an advantage she could leverage against him. It wouldn't be necessary to kill him, rather, demonstrate he could not win and so he would look to preserve his own life and would then capitulate. However, there, over her son's dead body, she realized that while she would give her own life and 'her' Empire, she was not willing to sacrifice her children and she imagines that this was Maith's plan, to demonstrate to her this area of weakness. "I was so willing" is her telling him that she was willing to sacrifice herself and her power, the point of that parable.
  6. Just had a thought about the Shae-Mutilated connection. Possibly, Shae realized that the Mutilated were actually more suited to best Kellhus and run the Resumption operation, being that 5 super-human-computers are better off than one pretty clever guy. In other words, where the Progenetors "crafted" the Inchoroi (really Ark, who in turn made Inchoroi, but still the same point) to be salves to the No-God mission and the Inverse Fire, Shae "crafted" the Mutilated to be the same on his own part.
  7. True, but we don't know if Kellhus actually realized this. It's plausible that Kellhus figured he was trading the world for all their souls. If the vision was Ajokli, he says "I war not with Men, it says, but with the God." That doesn't really predicate Hell on Eärwa, but of course Ajokli's deal is a monkey's paw. Even so, I think Kellhus' deal with him is his own sort of monkey's paw, because (possibly) Kellhus thinks he can (via the Daimos) reshape Hell.
  8. Well, in a way, isn't every story set in a fictional world a simulation? Eärwa's premise is a setting where there is verifiable objective meaning, so the story is about what happens in that case. He has said multiple times that the world is made to somewhat reflect the world ancient people believed they lived in. Maybe I am being too simplistic. I follow what you are saying though, that the point isn't the nested nature of it and I agree.
  9. I believe Walter misquoted the following line from TJE (Chapter 9):
  10. Well, in a way, we are sort of left with the No-God "dancing on a table" and not really a clear idea what happened to Kellhus. But I mean, I am quibbling, it's not the same, just seemed similar to me. In the end, Bakker just isn't McCarthy (which is fine, McCarthy is a fine McCarthy). Well, Kellhus is pretty keen to ask Akka if anyone survived Ishuäl. So, perhaps Crabicus (the crab-handed boy) is a key in the next series, along those lines, who can build off what Koringhus "discovered."
  11. I don't really disagree with the points, but I mean, they do something. Just nothing of any real importance in the grand scheme of things. I guess some kind of "it's not about the destination, but the journey" shit? Not that I am saying I think it was a good idea, narrative-wise... I think my take-away from it all is that in a world of jerks, Kellhus was just yet another jerk. Maybe a bigger jerk, or maybe a smaller one, depending on how you frame it all, but not really all that different than even the Consult in the end. I guess only Mimara isn't a jerk, but what could she really do when the whole world conspires? It all just seems very Cormac McCarthy, a la, Blood Meridian to me, which Bakker has discussed being a book he certainly likes.
  12. Well, "Akka and Mimara see Eärwa" does give us a few of a few things, even if they ultimately fail to factor into the finale: They show us something about the nature of topoi and Chorae. They show us that Ishuäl is destroyed. They introduce us to Koringhus, who explains something (what, I don't know, I guess something about the Absolute). They reintroduce Cnaiûr. I guess they are like some kind of reverse Frodo, in some bizzaro sense...
  13. True. My hunch came from a discussion a long time ago, thinking about if the Psûhke was really divine or not. My hunch was that it wasn't and that the Solitary God is not really intercessional in Eärwa. It was just a sort of Unity Concept. I am also not sure if the God of Gods would be infinite on Eärwa. There is a part where Kellhus is talking to Proyas in TGO where he says that infinity is impossible. He could be wrong though. I'd think that Mimara's Eye might well be akin to Ajokli's possession of Kellhus though, gaining it sight where it would not be able to see otherwise...
  14. But it could be that Mimara's vision is a hybrid of the divine Eye and her own Mundane sight though. She does talk about how she is really what Kellhus pretends to be, a prophet, and in Eärwa, prophets bring the word of man to God. Or so we are lead to believe. Also, I think I have mentioned before, but I think the Eye is the view from the God of Gods, who would be the same as the Solitary God and the Zero God, but specifically not the 100. As such, that God is sundered into the 100, so I don't know that both can exist at the same time. Or at least, I feel like that God is not manifest at the moment (because the god "God... broken into a million warring splinters.". Then again, it's been pointed out that my ideas are usually terrible, so I am sure I am wrong.
  15. I wasn't contradicting that they essentially turned it into a weapon after the fact. I was pointing out that in first making it, the Inoculation was meant to be a boon. So, in that sense, the Womb-Plauge was a mistake, an unintended side-effect. Just so happens that side-effect was even better for their long term plans than the Inocculation's primary reason for being made.