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  1. Goodkind 54: How to Revive a Dead Dick

    I'd consider that, in my life, I have seen a fair amount of nipples. It never occurred to me to liken any to berries. Guess that is why I am not an author, let alone a "best selling" one.
  2. Yeah, in retrospect, the way it was framed I pictured Meppa was a kid when he family died and he "awakened" to the Water. Of course, that's just something I realize I made up in my head, even though it might be true or not. I'm not really on board with Meppa coming to do anything but hate Kellhus further, but as we saw from him letting Akka live, Kellhus isn't scared to have enemies. In fact, he seems to cultivate some...
  3. Drawing from his family being killed by Kellhus, sparking his hatred. Although, I admit in thinking about it now, that doesn't preclude him already being a Cishaurim...
  4. Well, I think that Malowebi's observation that Meppa's Psûhke could actually challenge Kellhus' meta-Gnostic wards speaks to it's power. What that kind of power could do when added to the Gnosis is anyone's guess. Another option is that, like Fanayal, Kellhus leaves him alive to do something he knows he will.
  5. Presumably Meppa wouldn't have known Mallahet, since Meppa seems to have become a Cishuarim post-Shimeh and Moe would already have been dead. I mean, maybe he knew of him though. I think Meppa is key because he has the Psûhke, which is one of the few things Kellhus doesn't. Whether it's for Kellhus to learn, or for him to manipulate Meppa into using I'm not sure though. My guess would be that Kellhus will learn it though.
  6. I rate this as plausible, although the conversation from earlier has me feeling it's possibility is lower than I previously thought, because it does seem that Kellhus has an inkling of how emotion, or passion, is an important part of the puzzle. Now, whether or not what Klelhus feels is "real love" or not is a whole different can of worms and so asking if that still gets the job done is valid. I think there has to be some element of Kellhus' plan failing, or else, what are we reading? Just an account of Kellhus' ascendance? I agree this wouldn't be too interesting. Again, this is plausible, but I don't feel like this is the way it will go. I think there are things that can go wrong. Little Kel would seem to be an example of this, so perhaps there is more along those lines. Also, if Kellhus simply just does whatever, where does this leave Sorweel? As much as I don't particularly care for him as a character, I think he is a really important part of the puzzle and will be a major factor in how it ends. I am definitely in on this, in some ways. Kellhus is a liar, in the sense that the Thought is a lie, made real. A la, the Algorithic Eärwa, Kellhus and the Thought are "memes with real-life consequences" and so is the Inverse Fire. The difference is that the IF is true, in that damnation is real, and the Thought is false, in that damnation isn't yet rewritten. Of course, that distinction doesn't really matter though. The Consult is "right" but their methods are horrific. Kellhus is actually looking to achieve something similar via different methods. So, my synthesis of these is basically that the Consult is right, the Inverse Fire tells the truth, but like Wutteät so lovingly tells us, "is not truth infinite?" There is always something deeper, further. So, Kellhus imagines he sees this truth behind the truth. And maybe he really does. The Voice knows more than Kellhus, whether or not it is actually Kellhus, and it tells us that the war, the real war, is with the gods. The Consult had the audacity to imagine they could close the world to save their souls. Kellhus as the further audacity to think he can kill or supplant the gods to save their souls. I think a death of meaning is still key. The Consult don't look to change meaning, just make the consequences of it go away. Perhaps Kellhus aims at a revision. Bakker has mention Kellhus as an illusion of "modernity" and to me that would seem to be humanism, so meaning for humans, by humans. My hunch for a while has been that perhaps Kellhus ascends to be the Solitary God, so maybe that is related too. A false prophet until he makes himself not. As the God, he can rewrite the Cubit and tailor damnation from there.
  7. Nueropath is ok. Maybe it's even good. But it's probably not excellent.
  8. Come now, it's certainly not all that, Well, that sort of off-hand line about Serwë burning in hell sure is a pickle. Do we take Kellhus at his word? I mean, he seems to preface what he is telling Proyas as being "the truth." If it's a lie, then it's just a goad or a jarring proclamation, pretty simple. However, if it is true, the implications are much bigger. In this way, I feel pretty sure it is true. I think it speaks to Serwë's death making Kellhus "holy" not herself. She paid the truly ultimate price, taking on damnation so that Kellhus could play the Savior. Perhaps that is how she is the "thematic lynchpin of the series." (I keep thinking Bakker said she was a cipher, but he didn't.) She loses, Akka loses (in PoN), Esmenet loses, Theli loses, Fanayal loses, Proyas loses, Saubon loses, Moë (the elder) loses, and the list goes on and on. Koringhus tells us "loss is advantage." What should we be drawing from this? Is it that Kellhus' advantage all comes from the loss of others?
  9. No, I do believe that the Thousandfold Thought is the Shortest Path, because the Shortest Path that Moe believes he sees and the same one that Maith and Inrilatas imagine, are dead ends. The Logos isn't the beginning and the end, it is merely a tool that is useful, but an incomplete one. I think a key is that where the Logos' end is the destruction of meaning, Kellhus' is a redefining of meaning. I think Kellhus realizes the threat that meaninglessness holds, maybe that is through emotion, maybe not, I'm not sure. Kellhus is still, at the end of the day, hyper-rational and to me, emotion considered is different than emotion driven. Driven would mean he does things for emotional (non-rational) reasons, where my hypothesis is Kellhus simply considers emotion in his rational evaluation of what to do. In the driven case, emotion is the cause. In the considered, it is simply one of a number of factors. An example of emotion driven is Koringhus rescuing his son from the nursery. He simply moves based on a feeling, one he has no rational motive for. I still have yet to see Kellhus do anything so impulsive. Rather, he feels, then he considers his feelings, then he factors them into his rational plan and to me that makes a world of difference. Consider, what love does Kellhus have for his children? Think of what he allows to happen to them, what Theli suffers and how she dies. What little Kel does to Sammi. What Serwa is put through. What Inrilatas is allowed to do and suffered to live like. Why, if Kellhus has so much feeling for Esmenet, does he allow his children, her children, to suffer and die? The question of what drives Kellhus then is a very good one. One that I still struggle with. One hypothesis I presented was the idea that perhaps he is attempting to become the Solitary God (recall, my feeling is that the Solitary God, as of now, is not existent, it is simply an idea). Another idea is that he simply wishes to rewrite the rules of damnation, that is rewrite the Cubit according to his own rubric, creature meaning for humans, by humans. Alternately, it is possible that Kellhus is pulling something of a long-con on everyone, and wants exactly what the Consult does (closed world), only minus the Consult. The issue with the latter two, of course, is that Kellhus would still die and so, what is the end-game there? If he had ever shown an ounce of love for his kids, I'd say, maybe dynasty. But he is all so willing to throw them all under the bus. Unless of course none of them matter, except one. One is all you'd need for a dynasty, really. It would have to be Serwa, in my mind, perhaps Kayutas, but I doubt it.
  10. Well, I think we vary somewhat on degrees, but also in just what the emotions that Kellhus feels are doing to him. My hunch is that while he feels, those feelings do not move him. In other words, he still does what the Thousanfold Though requires, what the Shortest Path is, what rationality demands. Sometimes (and seemingly contractually) feeling is an actual requirement though and I think that is what the Koringhus chapters are really telling us. Logic (aka, Logos) alone does not yield the Absolute, one must suffer loss. This is why Serwë is key, because in that moment of her death, he actually suffers loss. This is why Maith and Inrilatas are wrong, that love has Kellhus off the Shortest Path, just as Moe (the elder) was wrong. They see nothing beyond the Logos and no break in the Principle of Before and After. As I have said many times, my hunch is that Kellhus is beyond Before and After, because the Voice is beyond Before and After. Koringhus shows us the path to the Absolute and emotion has a role, because the Logos alone isn't the Shortest Path, it's a dead end. So, what do we really differ on? Well, a manner of degrees. I feel that Kellhus experiences feelings and that those emotions are part of his plan, but that he is not actually motivated by those emotions. To me, this minor distinction is a major component in understanding Kellhus. He has feelings, but is not feeling driven, feelings are simply a part of The Thousandfold Thought, they are a key component to the emergence of whatever will be. No, that's not wrong, but somewhat incomplete, I think. If you can, look back at my post earlier where I quote that scene. He does feel something for Serwë even if it is entwined with him fearing his own failure.
  11. Well, ending damnation would presumably help himself too, since he has done plenty to garner it, from sorcery to atrocities (and for all he can do, I don't think he is/will be immortal). Not that I buy he doesn't care about "saving the world" but I also don't buy it being that he does all of this out of caring.
  12. The board ate my first attempt to reply... Basically, I think damnation has to be widespread, or else, why would Eärwa be a granary? That would be like you running a pig farm where the pigs could keep themselves fit and have a good chance to escape. Why would you systematically allow that? You want them staying put and fattening up. Some might escape, sure, but you keep most right where you want them. I mean, I think we probably do have a distorted view of just how widespread it is, but certainly more people than not are damned, in my mind. I mean, Bakker did liken Eärwa to hell recently.
  13. My wife actually bought a similar thing for vegetables just last week, On Kellhus, of course he is a false prophet, because the whole point of the Thousandfold Thought is that, like virimsata, it is a lie that makes itself true.
  14. That's part of why my theory is that the Ordeal isn't aimed at actually defeating the Consult. I mean, we were already told: In WLW. The men don't matter much, they are all meat-shields. What will Kellhus return to? The sorcerers that are there, because they are what matter. Why? I don't know, presumably whatever Kellhus plans to do relies upon a heck of a lot of sorcerous power to pull off. I had a stupid idea once, that Kellhus could probably attempt to literally pick up the Ark and send it off the planet. Dumb, but probably somewhat effective.
  15. Just a clarification, because the initial question was somewhat unclear, but Cleric was the king of Ishterebinth, which is the mansion that Serwa, Moe and Sorweel are sent to. Cleric's "real name" is Nil'Giccas and he was the king of Ishterebinth from the time of the Inchoroi first coming, until a much more recent time, probably something in the neighborhood of 20-30 years. He basically abdicated the throne, leaving because the Dolour (the state of forgetting that leads Nonmen to erraticism) forced him to seek trauma, depravity, and atrocities, because for some reason these make the Nonmen feel whole again. So, the king we end up seeing in Ishterebinth there is Nin’ciljiras, not Cleric. It is plausible to posit that most of the Nonmen who join the Consult, do it because of that same need for atrocity, to finally allow themselves to remember and be "whole" even if for fleeting moments. I think there is more to it, but as to not confuse you, I think that is a plausible way to look at the crux of it.