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  1. Usually - and particularly in a feudal society such as Westeros - that entails marriage, children, and securing the next generation of one's House. Hence, the debates about who ends up with whom. As the story draws to an end, it's natural for that concern to come to the fore since we're all thinking of what happens after the curtains fall. Naturally, most people would like for the characters they like to end up with people who would make them happy after the curtains fall, hence the debating and "shipping".
  2. Yes. This. Westeros isn't some kind of Orwellian dystopia. Love does exist and to think that they will give everyone a tragic/bittersweet ending (ie. end up alone or dead) seems pretty simplistic to me.
  3. Oh yeah, absolutely. I only pointed that out to show that it's not like the showrunners would never show something like that on TV or anything. Also, Sansa has grown a lot since then. Back then she was a child being pawned around by grown up game-players. Now, she's very much being built into the the head of House Stark. It's a far more mature vibe that she gives off now.
  4. I don't believe there's anything regressive about desiring romantic love, man or woman. You can be "kick ass" without sliding into the "Lone Ice Queen" trope. I believe both Sansa's and Sandor's arcs would be best completed by finding happiness in that sense because of the particular story they have each been given (which I've already explained in previous comments). My point, though, is that the circumstances you've described as "building her up" are not. Those are character growth - signs that she has learned from the harsh lessons she has been dealt. They were triumphant in the moments they were executed, but they don't go a long way in making her happy/content in general - as suggested in LF's insinuation about Sansa not being happy. When I said "building up" I meant it more as building back up some of the hope and faith that Sansa was so full of at the beginning and that has been taken away from her. Sansa as she stands right now does not believe that things like love or loyalty exist. THAT, for me, is the let down - that they would punish her entirely for being idealistic to the point of entirely isolating her from those romantic concepts. As we, the audience, know, love DOES exist in this world. Sansa's parents had a loving marriage; Jon, Dany, Robb, Jaime, Brienne - they've all known what it is to have truly loved and been loved by a partner. To me, the let down would be for Sansa (and Arya) to end their stories having only been exposed to the terrible side of romance and sexuality without any hope for experiencing the good side of it.
  5. I think they've been trying to normalize the age thing as much as possible on the show. In the books, once Sansa is not underage any more, it won't be an issue since it's only 15-17 years difference, I believe. While not the norm, that age difference is seen even in modern couples. In the medieval times, that's perfectly fine. As for the show, they've visually built Sophie-as-Sansa into quite a matriarchal figure. The way she responds to her little brother and sister coming home; the way she's dressing Jon in clothes she's made for him so that he can feel more confident; her exasperated-mom-with-rebellious-teen act with Arya; even the way she was dressed as of the finale - she really does not seem like a child at all any longer. In fact, the aura she gives off seems way too mature for even Gendry or Pod. I really think she will suit better with an older guy who can (and has) fit into a paternal role. Also, we've seen her kiss Littlefinger (whose actor is the same age as Rory) so they're not beyond showing Sophie kissing a much older actor.
  6. Lol, if this was going to happen, it would at least have been hinted at. They've been in the same physical vicinity for two seasons and haven't had a single interaction other than the oath-taking scene. Yeah, I also think Arya's interaction with Nymeria might be interpreted to foreshadow her marrying Gendry. A lot of people are interpreting it as "Arya is a lone wolf because her wolf won't return to Winterfell". However, Nymeria is not actually a lone wolf. She's simply broken off from her original family (although there is still a bond there, obviously) and started her own family/pack. Arya might be headed the same way. Yeah, I definitely don't think Sansa's story will end without her finding a solid life partner to be happy with (if she survives to the end). Her whole story has been about being broken down; there needs to be a building up too. If her story is basically "This girl wants to get she must end up alone!", that would be a let down, IMO. For sure. This one has to have some resolution 100%.
  7. Arya/Gendry: I would love to see this but I'm not sure how it would play out. Back in Season 2, I would have believed Arya could end up with Gendry but post-Faceless Men, I almost feel likeshe might be too far gone down a dark, dark path. As good as it might be for her mental health at this point to put down her sword, I can't imagine her doing something as "normal" as marrying and being the matriarch of a high family (Lady Baratheon). Sansa/Sandor: I think this will be the big romance of S8, if there is any. Their arcs have been leading to each other this whole time. Sansa has had to learn to see through lies and pretty facades and appreciate the inner beauty in people; Sandor has been on a redemption arc to "gentle the rage" within him and find a cause that he can get behind for love, not hate. It makes sense for their arcs to end with them finding each other. Brienne/Jaime: They will acknowledge their love for each other (maybe even consummate it) but unfortunately, I think Jaime is going to die. HE was the original big baddie from the pilot; he has to end the series by sacrificing himself for the greater good. I actually don't think her arc has been about rejecting marriage. I think her arc has been about rejecting pretty illusions and knightly fantasies wherein men and women had clearly specified roles that she thought everybody would neatly fit into. Marriage and children are mere practicalities within those fantasies and they are practicalities in the real world too. Without marriage, families would die out; Sansa's source of power would die out. Sansa began the story believing and wishing to leave her family and integrate into her husband's family where she would bear children who would take her husband's name. I believe a perfect subversion of that illusion for her to actually end up as the head of her own House and to take a consort with whom she has children who bear the Stark name. This in equal parts tickles me and makes me nervous. It's just so utterly ridiculous. 1) How much more random could you possibly get? Cersei and Hot Pie, perhaps? 2) OF ALL THE MEN in Westeros, why would they pair Sansa with the ONE guy her sister has been even marginally romantically connected with? Like we need more awkwardness between the Stark sisters. 3) Their arcs just don't match up. If Sansa survives the series, her endgame is DEFINITELY to be the head of House Stark. Her children are going to Starks of Winterfell, no question. On the other hand, if Gendry survives, his endgame is DEFINITELY to be head of House Baratheon. His children are going to be Baratheons, no question. So there is no question of these two pairing up. Arya, the younger sister, on the other hand... 4) How lazy would it be for them to pair Sansa up with the single hot dude in the same age range left on the show? It would be a total reversal of her arc for her to end up choosing the hottest guy on the show when her story has been all about learning to appreciate not-so-pretty things.
  8. This is when you start feeling the absence of a woman in the writer's room. I feel like having that diversity in the writer's room adds a greater dimension of perspectives and a broader understanding of the audience's needs that three bros are not likely to capture.
  9. As others have mentioned, I think it is clear that D&D are tiring of GoT and are eager to move on. Hence the rushed, plot hole-filled, patchy storytelling of late. It is certainly hard to imagine how every character in this vast story can get a satisfactory resolution in 8 hours (that's taking them at their word about each episode being 90 min). If they had a full ten-episode season this year with another full season next year, then they might have been able to do it. Sadly, I think the remaining short time will mainly focus on the big sequences and set pieces with the dragons and White Walkers - we've said goodbye to the days of small human moments between characters that really make this story so great.
  10. Yeah, if you look at the closeup of Sansa's hood, for instance, before the trial you'll notice that it's the same blue material with fur lining on the inside that Arya's asymmetrical cloak is. Presenting the Stark sisters as a unit, I think, was necessary. Especially, when you think about Ned's words: "The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword." Since the girls are now a unit, the fact that Sansa passed the sentence and Arya swung the sword does not really betray his teachings - they are still staying true to their father's ethos in a manner.
  11. Right, I hope her arc is going this way and the shifts in wardrobe are starting to hint at that. I honestly was really surprised and skeptical when I read about the theories that Tyrion would betray Dany but the only thing that gave me a pause was this costuming detail. I was really taken aback by how similar Tyrion and Cersei looked during their little one-on-one. Then again, I'm not sure how much the costume designer is privy to the characters' coming arcs so maybe speculating on how costumes foreshadow anything might be fruitless. I wonder how much D&D involve Clapton when outlining the coming story and arcs?
  12. "Fuck the faux leather! Get me the 100% sheep leather!"
  13. I like that assessment and I hope it's a sign that they are putting to end the "Sansa-might-turn-on-Jon" plot that her character has been suffering from ever since they reunited. I also felt like the switch to the more normal cloak makes her far more approachable, especially when you add in the hints of humor in her dialogue in that last scene with Arya. I like the suggestion that she might not be going down the Cersei 2.0 "Ice Queen" trope after all. Now if only she would get rid of that clunky circle necklace with the needle! Hahaha that was my other thought!! How does he just find such well-fitting clothes when he's obviously not normal-sized and is not likely to come across a dead man wearing clothes that would fit him? In all seriousness, though, his new clothes were very much in the Westerlands style. The clasps on his leather jerkin (shirt?) and the cut of it look like a less fancy version of the ones that Tywin used to wear.
  14. Michelle Clapton is notorious for placing every piece of clothing and adornment on her characters with a specific message in mind. With that in mind, I have some lingering questions about the costumes in the season finale. Specifically: 1. Why did Sansa abandon her big furry Stark cloak? Why the transition to the far simpler hooded cloak in the finale? Did Arya's words about her materialism strike home? Is this going to continue in S8 or will it be back to the big furry cloak? Why the deliberate shift to this simple cloak only on the last episode of this season? Does it say something about her coming arc in the final season? (Funnily enough, now Arya looks more fancy than Sansa ) 2. Did anyone notice the similarity between Tyrion and Cersei's costumes? The textured black leather, the fitted cut, the high necks...they were oddly similarly costumed. I found that strange, especially when considering the fact that Jaime is very differently costumed from them, even after abandoning the Lannister armor. 3. Where in the world did the Hound get get those new duds? He looks fantastic!
  15. I find this question interestingly timed because this season the only two characters whose personal happiness/state of contentment were directly referenced in the dialogue were Sansa and Sandor. For Sansa, LF asks her why she isn't happy and "What do you want that you don't have?" Interestingly, Sandor had been mentioned in that very same conversation (with a subtle blinky reaction from Sansa). For Sandor, it was Tormund telling him he has "sad eyes". I somehow don't feel like it was coincidence that this mirroring of dialogue around the concept of happiness was done for these two characters specifically. Especially in a show that rarely pauses to ponder over whether a character is feeling happy with their situation or not. In answer to the question, I think her reunion with Sandor in S8 will make her very happy (and hopefully give him not-so-sad eyes).