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  1. I recently heard a theory that the Night King can only turn incest-born people into White Walkers, while any dead body can be a wight. This was why Craster's sons were so necessary to the Night King, and would put Dany at unique risk, as both she and her parents were products of incest. At first I was skeptical, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense. After all, in Westeros, and beyond the Wall, the people that get the greatest punishment for incest are the children born from it, not their parents who actually broke the taboo. Jaime even says that if he acknowledged his children with Cersei they'd all be stoned to death in the streets, yet Jaime and Cersei would only face something like what Loras Tyrell faced for his homosexual relationships. This got me thinking; what if this hatred of incest was a hold over from the last Long Night? What if the reason the children are specifically singled out for execution for something they had no control over was due to the risk they posed to the wider society if the Night King ever rose again? The purpose of the law was lost, but the practice remained. What do you all think? I'm not completely convinced, and I'd like to see what others think. Am I missing something?
  2. While I agree that the Northern Lords will accept Dany's help with the War for the Dawn, what happens after is the real question. If they say 'Thanks. You've been great. Now please head back down south because we're not bending the knee.' will she burn them like the Tarleys? They'd be absolute fools to pass up dragons in fighting the Night King, but afterwards is where it matters.
  3. In the books, you get POV, that is you can hear the thoughts of the characters in question. Television is primarily a visual medium, where actions speak loudest and garner the best audience response. Yes, some of the dialogue could be tweaked to make these characters' motivations more clear, but the medium limits the message here, especially in a show world where people rarely speak freely or honestly.
  4. I don't see it so much as hating femininity, but the natural outcome of so many of the male leaders being killed off. This happened in the War of the Roses which George used as a template for a lot of the dynastic conflict. When so many men die off in a feudal society, either highborn women take a larger and larger share of the power or lower ranked men step into their deceased higher ranked peers shoes. In RL you had a combo of these two phenomenon, and the same holds for GoT. Davos, Gendry, Bronn etc were, as far as we know, low born and they've risen. Women who were highborn to begin with, but limited due to their sex, loose the restrictions and act on their own in lieu of their male relations. Brienne and Arya were unfeminine from the start, but once there were fewer barriers to their be accepted in those traditionally masculine rolls, they were able to shine. Brienne is the perfect example. Look how men treat her in Season 2, when most of the highborn men, though at war, are still around and giving orders, and look at her now. She's grown as a character, yes, but the world has also changed around her at the same time.
  5. Both part one and two are excellent theory videos, but it's Part 2, starting at 6:39 that gets into the idea that incest born children are what George RR Martin was referring to in his earlier drafts of A Song of Ice and Fire in regards to the 'Neverborn'. According to the theory, this term didn't mean that the person or being wasn't born, only that they should never have been born as their existence offends the gods due to the incest thing, and makes them prime candidates for White Walker conversion. The earlier video speaks of Craster being unique, so only his incest-born children would do, but my idea is that it might not be only Craster's sons, if originating from incest is the key issue. After all, incest is really despised in the 7 kingdoms, and the children, not the parents, get the worst punishments. There has to be a reason for that.
  6. No, the Faith of the Seven turned their backs because the Targs had dragons and Maegor the Cruel used them when the faith tried to start a rebellion based on the faith's disdain for incest-born children. Dragons, not royal status, kept he incest going for the Targs.
  7. I get the basic concept of a mystery knight, but I don't see how one actually goes about being one. In the Dunk and Egg novella, The Hedge Knight, Dunk has to go through a difficult verification process to prove his identity as a knight and that of Ser Arlan Pennytree, the knight who taught him and, supposedly, knighted him. He also needed a new personal sigil for his shield, as he was forbidden to use Ser Arlan's, due to the fact that they weren't legitimate blood relatives. Yet, in A Storm of Swords, Meera Reed mentions the Knight of the Laughing Tree and how his or her identity was never revealed. I can't seem to reconcile these two ideas. If a mystery knight must register for a tourney, how can there even be mystery knights? Are some tourneys more open than others? Are there certain events, such as jousting, where you can compete as a mystery knight, but others that you can't? How is all this decided? Really I'm floundering here. Can someone help me out, please?
  8. They aren't minor families, but they are bannermen, vassals. They certainly aren't in the same league as the Baratheons, and all Ormund' and Rhelle's trueborn children would be highly sought after marriage partners due to their mother's Targ blood and connections. By all accounts the daughter of a Targ princess and the Lord Paramount of the Stormlands should marry into one of the major houses, if not back into the royal family itself. Steffon had the added benefits of having been heir to Storm's End, having made a name for himself as a fighter, and was considered quite handsome, like his father before him and at least two of his sons to follow. Yet, somehow, he married a bannerman's daughter, and not one of his wealthier bannerman like the Swanns or Dondarrions. The Estermonts and the Tarths were noble, but they would have not have been first choices. Unless there were love matches involved, it would not make sense. As to Brienne's mentioning any cousinhood with Renly, I think that's a matter of interpretation until or unless George says otherwise. I don't think she would for the reasons I've mentioned before. You see her perspective differently. Until the the author says otherwise, to each his own.
  9. Okay, so according to the World of Ice and Fire, House Tarth boasts ties with House Durrandons, Baratheons, and Targaryen. Now I've been reading archive posts about how Brienne is part Targ, but they all seemed a bit far fetched. Then I was researching the War of the Nine Penny Kings and the death of Ormund Baratheon (he's the one that married the Targ princess, Rhaelle that gave Robert, Stannis, and Renly their claim to the iron throne after Robert's Rebellion), and so much fell into place. So here is my theory. Brienne's mother was a sister of Steffon Baratheon. If I'm right, that makes Brienne first cousin to Robert, Stannis, and Renly, and considering their only legitimate heir was Shireen and she's dead as well, Brienne (or the child or grandchild of another younger sibling of Steffon) would be the rightful heir to the Baratheon claim on the iron throne). Remember, George has never said that Steffon Baratheon was an only child, and if he did have siblings and they successfully married and reproduced, there you go. The reason the War of the Nine Penny Kings is so important to this theory is in Steffon's bride, Cassana Estermont. Estermont is a tiny island in the Narrow Sea, yet a daughter of their house hooked the most eligible bachelor in Seven Kingdoms at the time, Steffon Baratheon. That makes no sense, unless you consider that with the storms and unpredictability of Shipwrecker Bay and Cape Wrath the crown's forces would desperately need strong support from both Tarth and Estermont to launch attacks on the Stepstones (Ormund died on Bloodstone, one of the Stepstones; Tywin Lannister also fought in the Stepstones, as did the Blackfish who claimed to know Lord Selwyn), Tyrosh, or the Disputed Lands. However, giving that level of support would stress both islands and make them targets for retaliation, so I believe that as a sweetener to gain the full support of both Estermont and Tarth, two minor vassal houses off the Stormlands, the marriage prizes of Steffon for Lady Cassana and one of his sisters for young Lord Selwyn, were agreed to. The arrangement would have been similar to the one that Catelyn Stark negotiated with Walder Frey to marry Robb to one of his daughters or granddaughters for safe passage through the Twins, his bannermen, and general military support. As with King Robb to a Frey girl, both Baratheon marriages would have been highly unequal matches, but necessary to winning the War of the Nine Penny Kings, so the deal would have been struck. As for Brienne's claim to the throne, remember, Robert won the throne through conquest and ruled for nearly two decades. Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters also won Westeros through conquest. One could also argue that Cersei took the throne by conquest, just a political conquest rather than a military one. Daenerys might like to call Robert a usurper, but her family lost the war fair and square, and if Jon and Dany die, and I’m right about Brienne’s connection to the Baratheon kings, then she could be the last Targ claimant as well. Grant it, Brienne would abdicate immediately if offered the throne, but she’d still be the last legitimate Targ and the last legitimate Baratheon till the day she died or had kids of her own. As for her connection to Ser Duncan the Tall, that would come from her father, as the shield was found in the armory of Evenfall Hall, Lord Selwyn’s seat. If I’m right, but the connection to Duncan was also on her mother’s side, the shield would have been left at Storm’s End. Not to mention, it would be kind of sweet to think that a descendant of Dunk and a descendant of his best friend and squire, Egg, ended up together. They traveled together, they fought together, they died at Summerhall together, but Brienne remains and is going to be on the front lines of the Great War for the survival of humanity. Indirectly their lifelong friendship saves the world. Now that would be a bittersweet ending!
  10. I am not disregarding anything. George has not revealed Brienne's Targ heritage in detail, and the explanation above makes the most sense to me. I can easily see Brienne not mentioning the connection to Renly and the other Baratheon bros because it means so little to her personally. It's something she's seen on a family tree, but her feelings for Renly come from her father's ball and her time on the Rainbow Guard. It's not important to her that they shared grandparents who died before she was born, so she doesn't think about it in the POVs. I might be wrong, but this is my theory. Until George says otherwise, this is where I'm led by my own analysis.
  11. In Westeros first cousins are marriage material, not close kin the same way they are in our world. And you also have to figure that there might not have been much contact between Steffon and his sister. After all, Steffon was born the same year as Lord Selwyn, so he would have been considerably older than her, similar to the way Robert was 15 when Renly was born. If there was that big an age disparity, taking into account the twenty year gap between the War of the Nine Penny Kings and Brienne's birth, Steffon might not have had much contact with, nor affection for, her. Especially when you consider she was betrothed to and would become lady of such a minor house, while he would remain the Lord of Storm's End and Lord Paramount of the Stormlands despite his own unequal match. The sex difference would also create distance as he could never take her as his squire or give her a formal position in the Stormlands the way he might have given a younger brother. By the same token, there's no reason to think his sons would have ever met their cousin before Renly showed up at Lord Selwyn's ball as a form of courtesy to a Stormlands vassal with some blood ties recognized only on paper. From Brienne's perspective, Renly was an eligible bachelor, who also appeared in her family tree but whom she never met before the ball. She doesn't think of him as her cousin, but her first love, so she doesn't mention it in POV. The Lannisters may keep a family compound with multiple subterranean levels where many generations of cousins all live together and even retain ties when they spill over into Lannisport, but that doesn't seem indicative of all of Westeros. Tarth is a small island and relatively unimportant, unless you need an immediate launch point in the Narrow Sea, as you did during the War of the Nine Penny Kings. Once that conflict was over, Tarth and Estermont went back to being a couple of backwaters, but the marriage arrangements were already struck. Cassana Estermont then gave birth to Robert two years after the war ended, so the wedding was likely during the war or soon after. Pulling out of the Tarth deal would have made the Baratheons and Targaryens look dishonest, especially when you consider Sir Duncan the Tall's sacrifice at Summerhall barely a year before the war started and young Lord Selwyn's connection to the famous Lord Commander (assuming the connection was publicly known or even rumored). Doing so would have also fomented distrust between Storm's End and all its vassal houses at a time when there was already talk of Aerys II' instability and the possible need to replace him with Rhaegar. One minor Targaryen princess' daughter married off to a poor, but still noble, house would be a small price to pay for Stormlands stability, even a decade after the War of the Nine Penny Kings was ended. However, that wouldn't have created personal ties of affection between the families. To be blunt, Brienne and her father were the poor relations of two of the most powerful houses in Westeros. That alone might have created enough distance that Brienne doesn't seem to recognize Renly (or Robert or Stannis for that matter) as family in her POV. Renly comes to the ball as a duty to far flung relations. For Brienne it's a life-changing event. On a personal note, I have twenty seven first cousins of my own who I wouldn't know from Adam if we met on the street due to the fact that my paternal grandparents had eight children, over more than two decades, and those children went off in different directions in life. I'm an only child, but my two cousins on my mother's side are as close to me as I assume most siblings are. Even in our world, where we don't marry our first cousins because they're too close blood-wise, ties beyond the nuclear family are subjective. And if this was somehow important to the story later on, George might not have mentioned it in order to set up a big reveal down the road. He also may have just cut it out due to its irrelevance to the characters. Either way, Brienne not mentioning the connection doesn't seem odd to me. She's one of the few characters that doesn't seem terribly interested in family politics. It's one of her major blind spots as those politics have nearly killed her or gotten her raped and tortured on several occasions.
  12. I remember taking a classics course in college for a humanities requirement where the professor mentioned that bladed weapons were often used metaphorically in mythology to represent masculinity and traditionally male attributes. If the Azor Ahai prophesy were looked at as such, the act of tempering the sword could be metaphor for three sexual relationships, two that fail and one that succeeds but at great cost. Lightbringer, could then be a son (since it's a sword) brought forth from that sexual union. Remember, the long night is a LONG night. It could take decades to end, allowing a child to grow up and fulfill their destiny, thus bringing the dawn. What do you guys think? Am I wondering too far into the weeds on this?
  13. Several people have looked at the idea that Tyrion might be a secret Targ, based on the idea that Johanna Lannister was raped by Aerys. I've also seen videos theorizing that both Cersei and Jaime are the secret Targs for the same reason, but I've recently read about a situation where twins were born from two separate fathers. Supposedly it's called heteropaternal superfecundation, and though its very rare in humans, it can happen. How would this impact things, or would it? Which twin would belong to Tywin and which to Aerys, and how would the truth be revealed in a drama that has no DNA testing technology?
  14. Just because you don't know something exists, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. What's more, they do have magic and apparently certain seers and gods that hold the ability to know things we need science to tell us. If it were true, there are ways for it to be discovered, but how the characters would find out and what they'd do with the information is the question.
  15. I know. I know. It sounds cracked, but hear me out. The prophesy of Azor Ahai speaks to three sword forgings, which are likely metaphorical. So the theory goes that the sword is a strong House Lannister that can overcome the Great War and remain on top. The first forging is water: Tywin challenged his father, Tytos, at a party at the Twins when he was ten years old and Tytos was manipulated into betrothing his only daughter, Genna Lannister to Walder Frey's son. Remember The Twins are two towers whose bridge straddle a river, so there is your water. Unfortunately, Tywin can't save his father from making this mistake and further weakening their house here, so the sword breaks. The second forging is the heart of a lion: Most people who read this part think of the golden lion on the Lannister sigil, but what if it was the red lion of House Reynes. This part fits the best, as Tywin scared the Reynes family into fleeing into their abandon mines and sealed them in (Azor Ahai captures a the lion before he uses its heart),, and then floods the mines, killing the entire family before burning their house seat (plunging the sword into the heart of the lion). However, this only makes the Lannisters feared, not strong, and many come after them for decades after that, so the sword broke. The third forging is into the heart of Nissa Nissa: This refers to Johanna Lannister's death giving birth to Tyrion. Tyrion himself is Lightbringer, and as Tywin told his son, he had wanted to give him to the waves along Casterly Rock when he was born, but held himself back for the family's sake. I mentioned in a previous post that the merging of the soul and the physical often speaks to the ensoulment of a human being, and Nissa Nissa's impalement merged her soul with that of the sword. Tywin is said to have loved Johanna more than anything as Azor Ahai loved his wife, and Tyrion has compared his mind to a sword and his books to a wetstone. So Lightbringer is Tyrion, or at least his mind. By raising him, even against his will, Tywin made Tyrion able to do his part in the Great War and help bring the dawn. Plus, through Tyrion House Lannister can continue, so the forging was a success, even if it cost Tywin extremely dearly. Now onto the Prince that was Promised Prophesy: Tywin was born amid salt and smoke. Casterly Rock is off the sunset sea, which is salty, and has salt deposits in the rocks. His mother, Jeyne Marbrand's house sigil is a burning tree surrounded by grey smoke. We are all born amidst our mothers and the location we enter the world, thus he fits this part of the prophesy. As for the bleeding star, that is where it gets tricky. We don't know enough about Tywin's birth to know the astrological events that may or may not have occurred. However, the red comet could refer to Tywin's rise as Hand of the King and his assigning that temporarily to Tyrion. In doing so, he's finally giving Tyrion a real role in things, thus a rebirth after a long summer. He's raised Lightbringer to power, beginning his journey to eventually do his part in the Great War to come. Finally, there is the freeing dragons from stone. Tyrion did free the dragons in Meereen, and it was Tywin's death that sent Tyrion into exile, along with the education Tywin permitted his son to pursue that gave him the knowledge of what to do. To finish things off, George RR Martin likes to do twists and this would be a major one. Having a serious bad guy be the hero would play to the moral morass that is war. We write about heroes and villains, but that is just who history nominates for those roles. Since this is the Song of Ice and Fire, who knows who is who until we see who wins in the end. So, what do you all think?
  16. Not necessarily. The higher ranking officers in the Lannister army would know what Jaime looks like, even without his lion armor, especially with his golden hand. still attached. His choice of not wearing Lannister armor is an attempt to not draw too much attention to himself on the road. Remember, Cersei is likely going to send someone after him, or put out a bounty or something. Heading to the remains of the Lannister forces in his armor would bring too much unnecessary trouble. As for the succession, Cersei comes after Jaime and Tyrion, but before any other Lannister men who aren't Tywin's legitimate progeny. Remember, Westeros works slightly differently than it did in RL history. Women inherit after their brothers, yes, but are not passed over for every other male relative.
  17. I was rewatching 'The Lion and the Wolf' and it occurred to me that while Cersei might wear the crown, Jaime has always commanded the Lannister Army since his father's death. As terrifying as the Mountain is, I doubt the entire army fears him, so why exactly would the remaining forces follow Cersei? Jaime has been with them on the battlefield from Day 1. He's one of them. Cersei is a semi-legal queen, and technically, Jaime is now the head of House Lannister since he's no longer a kingsguard/queensguard and he's the first born male. It just doesn't make sense that they'd follow her. Am I missing something?
  18. I was rewatching some of Season 6, and it occurred to me that back in Season 2, when Jaqen H'ghar is confronted with his own name from Arya as to the third life owed to the Red God, he freaks out and asks her to change her choice. If that wasn't his real name, if he were really 'No One' why would it upset him to hear the name? From what I can tell, that is his real name when he's not being 'No One', so it appears that a Faceless Man doesn't completely abandon his or her name after all. Meanwhile, the Waif seemed perfectly content to have no name beyond 'No One' and doesn't really cling to anyone or anything. This could be why Arya went through her training much faster than the Waif and why she defeated her, even though she appeared a stronger fighter in general and Arya was wounded when they had their final duel. Arya had an identity to live for. The Waif didn't. Putting this all together, I'm thinking that Arya did not, in fact, leave training. She believes she did so, but that might be a necessary part of the training, to reconnect with her identity, while still retaining and utilizing her skills (face-changing, fighting, poison creation, killing, etc) that she learned at the Temple of Black and White. If so, then Arya would still be in the process of becoming a Faceless Man, even if she doesn't know it. It could be some sort of internship/student-teaching phase, where she completes her own unfinished business, allowing her to better serve the Many-Faced God and be 'No One' when she reaches the end of her list.
  19. We know the Night King can raise the dead, but we don't know his range. I was rewatching a Season 5 episode where Cersei and Jaime are discussing Myrcella's death and Cersei can't get the idea of her decomposition out of her head. Once the Night King gets beyond the wall, doesn't that mean he can just raise the dead all over Westeros, even if he is physically in the North? Has there been any book mention of the range of his powers or whether they grow stronger the more he uses them, etc?
  20. I think it was there to create ambiguity. Tyrion gives this big speech in the prior scene about dragon nature and how they know their friends from their enemies, which allows the writer to set up the scene where Tyrion frees the dragons. However, fans have been speculating on Tyrion's paternity forever, so the writers were tweaking that debate, giving us no answer one way or the other. The dragons might have smelled Targ lineage or they merely sensed that Tyrion had good intentions towards them. Tweak.
  21. Actually, Edmere refused that deal. Jaime offered him and his small family comfort at Casterly Rock and a keep for his son when the boy grew up, but Edmere refused the carrot. Jaime then used the stick of threatening to send the baby over in a catapult, and only then did Edmere comply with his demands. Jaime was under no obligation to provide the life of a noble to Edmere or his little family once Edmere rejected it. However, the fact that he had no internal desire to make things right with the man he just threatened shows more than anything the distance Jaime still has to go before he is redeemed, assuming he will be.
  22. Rewatching the siege at Riverrun in 'No One' and it occurred to me that Jaime's claim that Edmere had a son conceived on his wedding night with Roslyn Frey might just have been a ploy to make him more malleable. I asked a friend who'd read the books and she says that the baby was real there, but she can't remember if it was independently confirmed or whether we have to trust Jaime's word there as well. Considering how long sieges take, and the pressure Jaime was under to get back to King's Landing, it would have been a stroke of genius. If the baby is real, it's still clever.
  23. Under normal circumstances that is true. However, Westeros is involved in a war with the dead. Any time there's a major war out of wedlock births skyrocket. Think about it this way. Say the assumption is that both will die in battle in the next few days. They do the deed and head off to fight and die long before any pregnancy could become an issue. The Night King is stopped, and all of a sudden the consequences of what they did the night before the battle suddenly matter. It's human nature and an old story. In WWII they called them 'victory girls', but considering you have women warriors in Westeros, particularly in the North, I guess 'victory persons' is the the more accurate expression, although I'm sure the GoT universe has a unique word for the situation.
  24. Yeah. I see the same although I think to make the point that he's completely committed to her and not Cersei, Jamie will die in Brienne's arms. My hope is that she has a little lion cub in the oven by then, so it's not a total loss for her.
  25. At the end of the final episode of Season 7 'The Dragon and the Wolf', Jamie is leaving the Red Keep and looks skyward. The camera looks down on him and we don't get his POV of what he's looking at. Now, it might just be that the choice was meant to signify that Jamie was now alone in the world and to make him look smaller and isolated as the evening set in and a light snow began to fall, but considering there are several outstanding prophesies that contain certain astrological signs such as 'bleeding stars' and 'a crack on the face of the moon', perhaps he was looking at something in the sky. Perhaps he saw Dany's dragons and decided to follow them to catch up with her and her crew. Perhaps he saw nothing but was looking for some sign to give him direction? Seriously, what do you guys think? Was this just a dramatic visual to convey a feeling of on-man-lost-in-the-world, or did Jamie see something?