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  1. Your post made me look up dragon blood references which took me down a rabbit hole. Wildfire is green and if it exposed to shock it will explode. But Drogon's blood is black and doesn't explode when it hits the ground (it only hisses and smokes, although the alchemists use sand to put out wildfire, so maybe), if wildfire is heavily diluted dragon blood, it could appear green instead of black. But then there is the issue of why dragons don't explode when something bumps into them (maybe it needs to be exposed to air to combust?) (Also, while reading about napalm just now I learned about "greek fire" which is probably the inspiration for wildfire.) The spear that penetrates Drogon gets red-hot within a few moments, red-hot iron is between 1200 and 1700 degrees F, but she also says the point is half melted, the melting point of iron is 2800 degrees, does Daenerys ride bareback on a 3000 degree dragon, or does dragonscale somehow insulate? What is the r-value of dragonscale? This may cast some doubt on George's assertion that Daenerys surviving Drogo's pyre was a one-time magical event, and that she is not fire-proof. For that matter has anyone ever run the numbers on how much energy a dragon can output in watts? Combining their almost unlimited flight distance, keeping their interior body temperature at 3000 degrees, and (unlimited?) dragonflame abilities, seems like they would need to output as much as a small nuclear powerplant. How many goats does Drogon have to eat a day to generate that much energy, how many BTU's are in a single goat? Someone has to run these numbers.
  2. That's all good advice, and thanks for the kind words. I really have no interest in writing, and I don't even like fiction very much. I feel like I got trolled by George into writing all this because I just can't stand an unsolved mystery, and that is really at the heart of it. (I wonder if that was what he was trying to do.) I should have never started reading an unfinished series.
  3. If the events in Westeros are a mythologized retelling of true events, people can represent other things. In the case of Gregor he is not described often in the text so the evidence is scant, but he is a "mountain that rides" but "doesn't shake the ground" which is pretty suggestive language, he has a stone fist on his helmet, he is unhorsed by spears or lances two or 3 times, Oberyn the Red Viper "war hammer" Martell spears him repeated with a tree-ish spear, he is brought down by these poisoned spears and loses his head--he is also described as killing or brutalizing people for "making too much noise" which is a direct reference to the god Enlil from the Epic of Gilgamesh who wiped out humans for making too much noise. His sigil is 3 black dogs on a field of yellow, he is described at least once as blocking out the sun, his brother is described several times as blocking out the sun. The case for Sander being the Stranger is much stronger with a fair amount of textual support, go back and read that section. Has anyone ever given an explanation for what the Stranger is supposed to be in the Faith of the Seven? And Dorne being the Weirwood net, the right down to describing the cave carvings. Just the place and character names alone are quite suggestive. Also, just think about the logistics of making a truly enormous city the size of Asshai completely out of fused black stone, and they were supposed to have used dragons to melt every single piece of stone? (And the Five Forts, and the Valyrian Roads, and Volantis, and ?) I think that seems a little much to ask even of magical dragons. But we are in agreement that some portion of the story is myth, somewhere between 1% and 100% (and in some cases deliberate misinformation, e.g. Maesters' history), I am arguing that you can make a lot more sense out of the story if we are closer to 100%.
  4. I think it is disingenuous to dismiss as unconvincing a group of essays that is hundreds of pages long at this point, without even having read them. I have listened to each of his podcasts at least a few times, and repetition of symbolism, archetypes, and re-enactment of mythological events is pretty overwhelming, and in such a way that it is pretty clear that ASOIAF is not a literal description of actual events, but a mythology. If you take a strict literal interpretation of the story, how can you explain the Qartheen moon legend, was it just a myth? If so, how and where can you draw the line between what is myth and what is true history? With regards to George wanting to make magic more mysterious, by couching the story in the worldview of iron-age humans who have no idea what they are witnessing you achieve that sense of wonder and bewilderment, but I think that he also deliberately dropped a bunch of breadcrumbs indicating that there is something else going on.
  5. LML is not sci-fi at all, he is mythical astronomy. It sounds like you haven't read any of his stuff but are pretending you have.
  6. If you haven't yet, you need to listen to or read LML's essays, he has pretty conclusively proven that there is a story within the story. I just have a different idea than him about what that story is. Why are dragons and the Stranger both described as neither male or female? In what way are they related? All of the planets are either male or female, except the Stranger, who is not a planet, but is a spaceship--that is why it has no gender because it is a machine. Same logic applies to dragons. What is wildfire, and how is it a "close cousin to dragonflame" Why is wildfire is deliberately described as having very characteristics to lamp oil or something like diesel fuel that thickens when cold, and also very similar to nitroglycerin, in that shock causes it to explode. Wildfire described in this way sounds entirely un-magical to us modern people, but the people in the story think it is highly magical, because they do not know what it is. This entirely un-magical wildfire is a close cousin of dragonflame. And Maegor "drank a cup of wildfire in the belief that it would allow him to transform himself into a dragon." Yes, you could excuse his behavior by saying he was just insane, and had no idea what he was doing. But it ties a link between wildfire and dragons. Why would he think they were connected in any way? Was it because "dragons" actually did "drink wildfire" in that it was the liquid fuel that got poured into the "dragon" gas tanks? And why are they described as the "dubious pyromancers of the ancient Guild of Alchemists" Is it because they are charlatans? Con-men who found wildfire in drums in storage left over from the Great Empire, and have built their livelihoods around faking their alchemy to produce this magical substance?
  7. It is post-apocalyptic in the sense that the wrath of god caused civilizations to collapse, the Great Empire, the Valyrians, the Long Night in Westeros, whatever happened in Yeen. It is well-established canon. Imagine that you are a life-long sci-fi author, who is pretty eccentric. For your last project--your magnus opus--you want to create a work of literature that will blow peoples' minds and be written about and analyzed until the end of literature on Earth. You want to blow Tolkien's work completely out of the water. You have no limit on length or subject matter, only your imagination. What would you write? But as I said before it is literally two stories in one, you don't need to know the mythology stuff to read the surface level story. With regard to dragons being ships: This sounds an awful lot like a cargo cult type situation. During WWII we built landing strips on islands around Papua New Guinea, the natives had no idea what airplanes were, or what was going on in the wider world. We gave them free stuff, and when the war was over no more planes came bringing free stuff. The natives then built fake airplanes and fake tower control, and reenacted planes landing in order to try to bring back the planes and their goods. Aegon IV tried to build a wooden dragon on wheels that spit wildfire, an imitation of a real spaceship that shot lasers and the wildfire is probably a liquid fuel source that the alchemists just found sitting in drums somewhere.
  8. Okay, so if many of the events that take place in Westeros are a mythological retelling of real events that happened thousands of years ago in Essos. Tywin plays the role of the God-on-Earth, during his reign the Weirwoods might not have been doing anything evil, the Weirwoods trusted him, and thought he was a great guy. But then Tywin ordered the murder of Elia, he killed part of the network totally unprovoked (actually had the Mountain laser the trees from space). The network became totally furious because of this and is out for total revenge--destroyed the Great Empire and has a vendetta against its descendants. They got Tywin's own son to kill him, Tyrion does have some Bloodstone Emperor imagery (his eyes). But the Weirwood's boosted the Bloodstone Emperor's power level out of desperation and they have been regretting it ever since, he has been a real danger, he almost took control of the network, and they barely beat him the last time. This time, in their weakened condition, I don't think they can beat him (Euron) on their own. Mother of Others, I know you are being facetious again, but I do think the Weirwoods would like to get control of that spaceship if they could.
  9. You should have linked to your theory, I just accidentally dug it up from the archives, and we are pretty much hitting the same points. And I also found a few others that are circling the same ideas, we should get a Grand Theory going.
  10. I was just putting together the relevant quotations for this: the Others, the Daynes, and the Great Empire folk are all the same group of people--all described as having pale swords, alive with light. That is your royal blue blood--Great Empire Blood, i.e., King's Blood, descendants of the God-on-Earth. Given that I think much of the story is mis-remembered or embellished, I don't know how much of the Ice Giant lore is true, (whether they really are cold and what color their blood is), but I think the Others were Great Empire folk who got caught by the COTF and had Weirwood stones inserted into them as mind control devices and were released to fight against the Great Empire. The dragonglass that kills the Others is the same oily black stone that the Great Empire invented (and built their cities out of) to repel the Others. This tactic worked for a time, but then the Weirwoods got inside the walls through subterfuge and corrupted the Bloodstone Emperor with one of their Weirwood stones. This is a tangent but there is the recurring theme of "planning to fight the previous war" --Harrenhall is a direct representation of Asshai in Westeros, a huge black city that was made perfectly defensible given current known warfare techniques and equipment, but they underestimated the ingenuity of their opponents. The Great Empire did not foresee the Weirwoods causing a civil war within their walls, and Harren did not foresee dragons, both rendering their defenses totally useless. And in the same way I think the Weirwoods themselves have underestimated the ingenuity of Bran. Also, I think the 13th Lord Commander's Night's Queen was probably just a Great Empire woman with silver hair and bright blue eyes and white skin, who was also kind of bitchy (ice queen). That parallels Jon and Daenerys.
  11. Had a dream about this and it woke me up early--I think the Weirwood's can build up pressure below ground and cause a volcanic erruption to eject the trees above ground into space. We already suspect that the Faceless Men/Weirwood caused the 14 Flames to Erupt (Doom of Valyria). That is why High Heart is such a big hill with trees on top of it, it was getting ready to pop. Maybe that is what happened at Hardhome, it was a successful eruption, and the caves in the cliff wall were the caves and tunnels under the trees, and the screams coming from the tunnels are the plugged-in Children who were left behind and are dying when their trees abandoned them. Oberyn is a kind of Red Comet, but he is really a series of Weirwood Trees that were launched from the Earth at the Mountain Spaceship to destroy it. Weirwood is often used for making bows, spears, and arrows, so there is an association between Weirwood and projectile weapons. Oberyn's spear is described like a tree, it's wood shaft with a leaf on it, and it is a deadly poisonous weapon. And almost all the spear thrusts are described as hitting the Mountain's underside. Which if the Mountain is a spaceship hovering over Earth, that makes sense. Then there is the quote from Doran "Let him go" as in "Let him leave the planet" Oberyn's attack on the Mountain was a suicide mission, that greatly diminished the power of the Weirwood network. But they both thought it was worth the risk, this being the only way to get rid of that damn spaceship. He successfully disabled it (I don't think it can fire anymore, and there is the repetition in the text of the Mountain being "unhorsed" so I don't think it can travel very far), but it is still around and will blot out the sun again soon. One a related note, all of Dorne seems to be a metaphor for the Weirwood. In a previous post I mentioned the Red Viper Oberyn Martell ("hammer" or "war hammer") was a Red Comet, and his sister and her "Children" were a portion of the Weirwood that was destroyed by Great Empire people. Then I looked into Doran Martell--his name means "they brown" in spanish, and he is very sickly. That is why magic had disappeared from the world at the beginning of the story and why Ragnarok needed to happen again--the Weirwood had gotten sick and old, and needed an infusion of new blood and energy. The Red Comet coming back around woke it up and temporarily revitalized it, but it needs that new blood, because it has used up the power of its victims. If the Warlocks are a parallel Other things indicating that Dorne is the Weirwood: "dorne" means "thorn" In Norse mythology the Svefnthorn ("Sleep thorn") was used to put an adversary into a deep sleep from which he or she wouldn’t awaken for a long time. Suggestive name places: Starfall (and the Dayne sword is a meteor), Sunspear, Bloodstone Island, Brimstone river ("to send horror or destruction "), Skyreach, Greenblood river, Ghost Hill, "hammer of the waters", Sandship, Storm Kings, Torrentine (foreshadowing the Flood), House Fowler (birdcatcher), Hellholt (is named after an event in which rivals were invited to the castle, locked within, and burned to death) Dorne was never successfully invaded. Areo Hotah has white hair, was enslaved to protect Doran, and has a brand on his chest--he is a white walker. The Water Gardens is the Isle of Faces, where sick and dying Doran lives, maybe he is the only one left of the 3 Fates. It has "numerous pools and fountains" and is "shaded by blood orange trees" "Children from all stations and areas of Dorne are sent to the Water Gardens to foster, where they play together at the beach, pools and fountains, and in the water." I think those are Children of the Forest. The Sandship is the asteroid that the Weirwood arrived on, the "city" (forest) built up around the spot, The Threefold Gate refers to the 3 barriers (or magical wards) to get to the Isle of Faces over land and water. The Labyrinth spiral refers to the underground caves that lead to the Isle of Faces. and is a pretty clear reference to Quetzcoatl's Wind Breastplate Jewel. Look at the maze carving from the Dragonstone Cave. (Lorath has a maze that leads to the underworld). Two towers are the Big Tree (Yggdrasil the world tree) where "noble prisoners" are kept, and the Norns live there.
  12. I think rubies are dried and hardened Weirwood sap, and the people who carry rubies are (unwitting) agents of the Weirwood.
  13. I think R'hllor is just an aspect of the Weirwood game, the fiery civilization-ending aspect. He kills the green man, and ends civilization, but he is supposed to do it in an orderly way, such that civilization can be rebuilt afterwards. And he repels the Chaos Serpent with his magical spear and in doing so brings the Dawn. He is Set from Egyptian mythology. I was saving this for my section on Norse mythology, but I think Drogon is Surtr (the Black) from Norse Ragnarok whose role is to just burn and destroy everything (his flame is Lightbringer?). In Norse mythology Freyr has a magical sword that fights on its own, I think Daenarys is Freyr, and Drogon is her magical sword. They are both "R'hllor" but are being manipulated into this role by the Weirwood. The Bloodstone Emperor is Euron is Jormungandr is the Chaos Serpent (Apep), the uncontrolled destructive madness aspect of the Weirwood. He brings the Darkness (should have a dark sword that drinks the light?) I am thinking he will be killed by Drogon, and Drogon and Daenarys will kill each other (Drogo was undefeated in battle, so Drogon will not be defeated in battle either, he will have to be euthanized by his own mother).
  14. More Sandor as the Stranger spaceship imagery (credit to guy on reddit who made this list) “Clegane cast a long shadow across the hard-packed earth as his squire lowered the black helm over his head.” “A shadow fell across his face. He turned to find Clegane looming overhead like a cliff. His soot-dark armor seemed to blot out the sun.” “Sandor Clegane seemed to take form out of the night, so quickly did he appear.” “'I'll tell you what it was, girl,' he said, a voice from the night, a shadow leaning so close now that she could smell the sour stench of wine on his breath.” “A shadow detached itself from the shadow of the wall, to become a tall man in dark grey armor.” “Then something stirred behind her, and a hand reached out of the dark and grabbed her wrist.” “They passed a dozen brothers of the order on their way up; cowled men in dun-and-brown"..."they passed a lichyard where a brother bigger than Brienne was struggling to dig a grave. From the way he moved, it was plain to see that he was lame.” Brienne is the moon maiden (LML). Sandor is the lamed gravedigger, that is why he can't get to Earth quick enough to help. Another guy on reddit: The books indeed make a frequent mention of Euron’s eye. Is Euron implying he sees something others don’t, at least not yet? What does he see? "A crow can espy death from afar." You have already guessed where I am heading with it. Euron is talking in no uncertain terms: Something is approaching our world. And I see it. This something brings death to our world. Where can he see it? In the air? In the sea? No reason to think that (there could be something in the sees stirring with the approach of the Dark Object,
  15. One of Bran's greendreams (AGoT's Bran III) perhaps gives support to the two spaceships hypothesis: The Hound, the Sun, and the Mountain blocking them both. There was also this line: Did Luwin know the Stranger was coming? Two astronomical references that are presented while Bran is falling (like a meteor) to Earth. Also, the Clegane sigil is 3 black dogs on a field of yellow. Three black dogs whose nature it is to block out the sun (Hound, Mountain, and dead sister are the three Great Empire Ships) Change of subject, but in that same dream what did Bran see in the heart of winter? When Bran cries: His element is ICE, the so body temperature tears seemed very hot. When Daenarys cries: Her element is FIRE, the tears turned to steam. Bran sees what is in the heart of winter, is afraid, then they point out that his element is ICE, then the 3-eyed crow says "Now you know why you must live. Because winter is coming." I think that line implies that it is something very specific to Bran being ICE was seen in the vision, and not just a general threat. If it was just the undead army, it would be like showing a little kid a picture of Hitler leading an army and saying "Now you know why you must live." The kid would be like "What? I am just a little kid, what does this have to do with me?" But if he showed the kid a picture of the kid himself leading an army and said "Now you know why you must live." That would make sense, because you need to be alive to do what you are seeing yourself do in the future. I think Bran sees himself grown up in the vision leading an army of the undead and that is what freaks him out. Bran is ice, ice is winter, winter is coming, Bran is coming.