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  1. And in regards to my question about what wiki policy is for posting official and/or unofficial artwork containing nudity? (the only official artwork of certain characters/places contains nudity).
  2. Ack - well even a single paragraph can be pretty big info. The mental comparison I keep using is the Greystarks mentioned on literally one page in ADWD....describing a centuries-long major conflict in sweeping terms. Compared to 10 pages of intense characterization description about Maegor and Aenys. Speaking of Anne....I'm submitting convention panels again for NYCC - I've only gotten into local panels before, and NYCC hasn't had a GoT/ASOIAF panel in four years now. Given that Fire and Blood Volume 1 will be coming out around Christmas 2018, one of the panels I'm submitting is on "This is what Fire and Blood Volume 1 is, it's an outline of the Game of Thrones prequel successor show storylines, and if you only know the main TV show this is what the other prequel eras are like". The topic feels timely enough. Given that Anne lives in NYC, can you contact her and ask if she'd like to "appear" at this, to promote the books? She can do as much or as little work as she wants (anything from "if Anne is turned off by the idea of asking her to do a lot of stuff, she can just sit there and field a few questions but I'm doing all the heavy work" to "Anne would feel slighted if she wasn't outright co-hosting"). I'd also love to pick her brain on questions like how much of one thing or another got cut. I might not get a panel at all due to heavy competition - but if I can put on the application "GRRM's editor will be there" it might help get our foot in the door. Last time I ran panels in the NYC area I didn't advertise it to keep shownlies from attacking it, but even GRRM (via livejournal comments) pointed out this was pretty silly and it would be smarter to try to organize a bigger fan gathering months in advance.
  3. Quick question: I was talking about World of Ice and Fire and Fire and Blood with someone, regarding the relative size of material cut from the final release (i.e. "All of Sons of the Dragon was released; but nearly all of the Regency was cut, which was "nearly as long" as the Dance material, and has not been released). I also remembered that at some point Elio mentioned in passing material which was cut from the World book from "beyond Westeros" - stuff that couldn't plausibly be included in a Targaryen history like Fire and Blood (....*maybe* some anecdotes about the Starks which got cut could be included as a footnote in a Targaryen history, as it is a history "of Westeros"). But I remember @Ran remarking that there was "more" material on the Dothraki and Yi Ti which got cut. 1 - Regarding material about regions "beyond Westeros" which wouldn't plausibly fit into a Targaryen history book like Fire and Blood, specifically which regions have more unreleased material? Just "the Dothraki" and "Yi Ti", or some other stuff too on Hyrkoon, Qarth, etc? 2 - ....I don't know if you'd be willing to release a specific word count, but off the top of your head, about how much material on the Dothraki and Yi Ti was left unreleased? Just in terms of "the Regency material is nearly as long as the Dance material" - was it just a few notes here and there on Yi Ti? Or is it a case of "actually the amount GRRM wrote is fully twice as long as what we were able to fit in that chapter of the print book"? I'm not sure how those would get released - the app or a future edition. I ask here because I wanted to update the wiki article on the World book just as we made a list of contents for the Fire and Blood article.
  4. We finally got a big news update on what the heck was going on with Telltale's much-delayed Game of Thrones video game, Season 2. My video report:
  5. A wiki policy question for @Ran : On the Fandom/Wikia network, such as the TV show wiki, Star Wars' Wookieepedia, etc., the higher-up staff within the organization explained to us that they have a strict "no nudity" policy, which we've tried to enforce. We cannot post screencapped images containing: Genitals Buttocks Exposed female breasts Does the same rule apply to's Wiki of Ice and Fire regarding images containing nudity? I think there are two broad categories: officially commissioned artwork, and the more nebulous "good fanart that got picked for inclusion in the wiki". I.e. there's an officially commissioned artwork for "Barter Beach" (in the Basilisk Isles) created by John McCambridge for A World of Ice and Fire, posted on Deviantart....not included in the print version. Possibly due to censorship because it has topless women in it: Similarly, artwork depicting the warrior-women of the Hyrkoon city-states - who, as Addam of Duskendale frequently reminds us, go about in everyday life with their breasts bare, with iron rings pierced in their nipples and rubies studded in their cheeks. Obviously this type of thing is a broad policy rule and I have no intention of disputing it - on the TV show wiki I just accepted it as a given - but I'm not actually sure what the stated policy IS on A Wiki of Ice and Fire.
  6. BrienneTheBlue112 has been working reliably on the TV wiki since 2015: and isn't just a casual fan dropping in.
  7. ....In-universe, main novels, characters consider it the "Andal invasion". Oh we could say there was an "Anglo-Saxon migration", but it's remembered as the "Andal Invasion". I'd vote for "Andal InvasionS", as it was more a 2,000 year or so time period that lasted generations.
  8. Thanks. Also we may need help with the French translation subtitles of some of the DVD commentary clips I posted on my channel. More updates soon...I'm working on "The Biography of David Benioff"...
  9. The Dragon Demands guest appearance on A Podcast of Ice and Fire, to spread rant about the TV show
  10. That's just a big bay that curves west a bit. "Straight north" yeah, but much farther north (around latitude of Thenn valley) Maps are always approximations and even the ones given in the books themselves aren't necessarily accurate. How accurate are fan made recreation maps relative to the maps printed in the books? The ones I've seen in the wiki are reasonably accurate.
  11. First real news posts coming out for the Fire and Blood Volume 1 release date: Germany actually seems early November. ...Unsubstantiated websites list the UK release as early October. Can @Ran verify what is currently known or not known? (via a Tweet announcement or something). There was a time moratorium on the wiki being updated with prequel novella info when each was released, and AWOIAF. As the release date draws nigh, going to need to clarify when the moratorium will end on the wiki for FoBV1.
  12. Are there any good cons in the NYC area? Even local cons, with good ASOIAF/GoT programming? Bizarrely, NYCC has had no ASOIAF ...OR Game of Thrones...programming in the past 3 years. This is really weird. So I figured this was the place to ask; anything within the train grid. And WHY doesn't NYCC have any programming? Even TV show programming? For 3 years running? Very, very strange.
  13. Hey, where is the wiki crowd here located in the world? I ask because 1 - blind curiosity, 2 - how easy it will be for everyone to get new publications as they come out (short stories but particularly Fire and Blood Vol 1 when it comes out) I'm located in New York City, so it should be fairly easy for me to get Fire and Blood Vol 1 when it comes out. Others might be in other cities/countries so that might be more difficult. I ask in part because for TV wiki purposes, I was going over the Blu-ray commentary tracks; I can't afford them so I just took a copy out from my local library. And I didn't realize...other people on the wikis who live in Germany or Spain etc. do not have that luxury. It's physically impossible to get their hands on because the commentaries were never translated and thus not included in non-English country releases. So here I was spending months saying "I'll do it later, there's other work"....then I felt bad at how much some of the other wiki editors would jump to get their hands on those.
  14. Why the Tysha reveal was cut & Tywin changed in Game of Thrones
  15. Episode 5.10 DVD commentary clip, Benioff & Weiss on why Stannis was changed also Missandei/Grey Worm, Myranda, Brienne, Dorne, among others
  16. Ah, news on Fire and Blood Volume 1: As already known, the chapters originally written for the World book (which could not hope to fit in it), were the Conquest, Peace of the Dragon, Heirs of the Dragon (Rogue Prince), Dying of the Dragons (Dance of the Dragons), and the Regency of Aegon III. These chapters pretty much skipped over the reign of Jaehaerys I - 55 years of mostly peace. Heirs of the Dragon starts when Jaehaerys I is at the end of his life, dealing with the two major succession crises he faced (I assume death of his eldest son, then death of second eldest, Rhaenys vs Laenor....are these the First and Second Quarrel or was that something else?) GRRM mentioned to Elio that yes, he's "fleshing out" the reign of Jaehaerys I a bit more - because the earlier chapters gloss over it - so this will be new material he wrote purely for Fire and Blood (of course, the Regency is "new" to US, but still). No word in the video if there's going to be material on pre-Conquest Targaryens or Valyria -- that cryptic LiveJournal entry about Fallen Fallen is Babylon seemed to be hinting at that? Maybe Elio didn't ask. Elio did present GRRM with a summation of our biggest concerns from the boards about Errata in the print edition of Sons of the Dragon; George "has notes" on these and will apparently address in Fire and Blood version (I assume Robar vs Rogar Baratheon, Vhagar attacking Reach vs Riverlands, etc.) Another big errata question Elio raised was what exactly happened to Maester Gerardys, as details have been contradictory. GRRM is aware of them and will address in Fire and Blood.
  17. Thank you. This should do nicely. I found an old video David Benioff made which may finally explain why they made Jaime have dyslexia in the TV show, and why they cut the Tysha reveal.
  18. I have a major question for @Ran Elio and Linda which came up. Out-of-universe question. You've said before from your talks with GRRM that he mentioned when he got the idea for certain plotlines - how some were surprisingly late additions, while others were surprisingly early ideas (i.e. he didn't know the Three Eyed Raven was "tied to the Targaryens" in book one...but did as early as book two). A news site leader challenged me today that it was a good idea for the TV series to cut the Tysha reveal from the end of Season 4, "because it seemed obvious Martin shoved it in as a last minute shocker he didn't intend in earlier books, and didn't set up well". "The drama felt manufactured when I read it at the end of book 3" -- and so on. I scoffed at this, because Martin always said that he did plan out the general outline of major character deaths before he even began: i.e. even before the first book was published, he knew that Robb Stark would die at the Red Wedding in book three. Thus...something comparably on the scale of ***how Tywin Lannister dies*** strikes me as something he'd have planned out in advance. Thus, based on your talks with GRRM or just general early it be determined that GRRM knew the truth about Tysha? Book one? I'm stunned to see people saying it was "out of character" for Tywin when the ENTIRE POINT is that he's this horrific abuser. His children yearn for his approval in earlier books, but it's a toxic relationship, he doesn't really love them, and the Tysha reveal proves just how abusive he actually was the entire time. I also ask because we were discussing it when I recorded a guest spot on the upcoming March episode of A Podcast of Ice and Fire. "Well, when did Martin know the truth about Tysha?" etc
  19. How about "Kings of the Three Sisters"? That flows better while retaining ambiguity.
  20. Blah, typo, I meant to write Viserys II. Yes, I also have not forgotten about that 5,000 words or so from the Dothraki and Yi Ti that got cut. I'm not even sure how they'd release it.
  21. ....yeah, I thought it was closed due to the war, but Davos had been there in times of peace, even before Robert's Rebellion so... ....yes, your citation makes me lean more towards that it's some old Stark-king era mint or something. Not used in centuries. Probably. I remember an old GRRM interview video talking about the then-upcoming World of Ice and Fire, in which he said that he want into a lot of mundane detail on world-building topics like "what was this king's tax policy on foreign trade" etc. Mundane tasks High Fantasy literature often avoids, but which are interesting. So I was a bit let down when little of that got into the print version of World of Ice and Fire -- I hope a lot of it was actually written and was simply cut for time, to later appear in Fire and Blood. The only detailed info we got on things like domestic/economic policy was the brief description of Viserys I (increasing trade with the Free Cities, reforming the royal household, reforming the royal mints, etc.). I hope we get more of that by Fire and Blood.....Christmas 2018!
  22. I was looking over the "Currency" article today and a thought occurs: Tyrion's big description of Littlefinger, how 9 out of 10 tax collectors and customs officials are his agents, states that he appointed the men who run "all three mints". And we have the "Old Mint" in White Harbor. Are there only three royal mints in all of Westeros, and the Old Mint of White Harbor is one of them? Or does "all three mints" refer to "all three in King's Landing?" For that matter, the Old Mint is..."old". Might it be a holdover last used during the days of Torrhen Stark, to make the independent North's old currency? (it might not have been active for three centuries). Any World of Ice and Fire notes on this?
  23. Okay. Yeah there's only two assassin's guilds so it's not worth making a template for - Faceless Men would go into a "Braavos" template or something. Leaving Magic, Commerce, and Outlaws. ...yeah they're not really similar. I mean, a merchant guild versus a pirate faction. I was going by everything under "Organizations". ....the Alchemists' Guild does have some "commerce" aspects to it, in that it is a specialized trade guild of sorts dealing IN magic. They sell wildfire. Though they're also an order like the maesters in a way. Warlocks are much more of an order than into commerce. Quite separately, Outlaws....on land and sea. Big issue is that many pirate factions are lead by an individual and then break up on their death. The "Lord of the Tides" has his own fleet, that's a faction. Dunno.
  24. I've been fixing up the Organizations navbox I was working on: Down to Magic, Commerce, Assassins' Guilds, and Outlaws. Turns out there was already a nascent template for "Sellsword categories" so I posted that around every page that needed it. - Should "Assassins' Guilds" be merged with "Sellsword Companies" as a sub-category on the same template? There are only two named assassins' guilds. Both sellswords and assassins are "people who kill for money". Otherwise with only two, not much sense in making a standalone Assassins template. As for Magic/Commerce/Outlaw organizations...would those make sense split up into other templates or not? "Maesters" and "Night's Watch" are big enough to merit their own standalone templates. But I don't know if these three are big enough to support their own. Unsure.