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  1. You are going against the text by proposing that they have not been seen for over 8,000 years. The LN is supposed to have been 8,000 years ago, the night king was 13 LC's (with an average 8 years per LC) after that, craster was decades ago, and Sam's reports were within the literate era. A multi-millennia hibernation is possible (say, 2000 Before AC to 280AC), but AFAIK never directly supported by a credible source. Ned agrees with you, In Catlyn I AGoT, ... after beheading an eyewitness to an attack by the Others. This is one of our first subtle hints that Ned Stark is incredibly thick and ultimately wrong about everything, because we know the Other's aren't gone. Otherwise all I recall us getting is that it's been long enough for the Night's Watch to have "forgotten." A long hibernation of less than 8,000 (or, really, 4,000) years wouldn't directly contradict any of the evidence, but nor can I find any credible affirmative support for it. On the other hand, Craster's keep exists, people in the far north worship what seem to be the same cold gods as Craster, and we don't have a history for the people of the far north far beyond the wall that says they've positively removed all Others, so nothing contradicts there being more keeps in the extreme north. Also, nothing contradicts the Others actually having the ability to walk underwater and chill out with the merfolk for millennia. All we know is that they have stealth armor and ice swords, laugh together, kill in groups, attack with the cold and the undead, did the craster's keep thing, and are part of several legends.
  2. Sure, there's nothing saying that they were ruling north of the wall, and nothing confirming that they were in hibernation or whatever. We don't know what they were doing. It's a mystery. Speculating that they operated a vast number of "keeps" with setups like that of Craster's is speculation and extrapolation, as are all claims about what they've been up to. We don't know.
  3. We know they were active decades ago when Craster started his deal, and we 'know' they were active as far south as the wall ~104 years ALN. So, at most there's been like 8,800 years of inactivity. But we also hear of ice river clans that worship the cold gods, Sam reads reports of them from the historical era, and also they've got stealth armor. Except he's the first king beyond the wall, so it's possible that his was also the first realm beyond the wall. Or, like every everything else that far back, it's possible that he was an entirely invented character created to make the wildlings feel like they had a place in the story. And while I don't think that the Snow Gate was eating babies that recently either, I think, given how skeptical Ned is, most northern lords would have been more concerned with the real changes imposed on them, rather than caring about how she restricted their interactions with fairytale creatures.
  4. Robb Stark was a literal bloodthirsty monster, whereas House Frey seems to be the only house actually concretely working towards building a better future. They were responsible for the second most notable infrastructure development in the past 600 years, and Walder has contributed more to human capital than seemingly any other Lord in the seven kingdoms. Would you ask if anyone could forgive Dany for her betrayal of guest right in Astapor? What about the time she created a false truce and got enemy troops drunk to facilitate a massacre outside Yunkai?
  5. So, the apocalypse is on. The winter to end all winters has begun, and anyone could die at any time. But not quite. Because some things need to happen before certain people can die. For instance, Dany needs to slay some more lies before she can possibly die, and lots of defenses need to fail before everyone at the gates of the moon can be put to the sword. So, that's my question - what's the quickest possible path towards death for everyone in the story, factoring in both literary delays such as prophecy, and practical delays like castle defenses.
  6. Brandon and Durran are mentioned in the same story, so they're distinct names. I could have sworn there was solid circumstantial evidence of a Torrhen being named after a Durran, but that doesn't seem to exist. But yeah, D->T and some vowel shifts are a very small difference, phonetically.
  7. Also, just adding to this: Torrhen is the Northern equivalent of Durran, which is one of the oldest attested names in the series. Torrhens had eight millenia to get a square named after them.
  8. I disagree. Ned has a very compelling arc of moral compromise and decay, as he chafes against the corrupting influence of King's Landing. But yeah, narratively and in-universe he had to die in order to set the plot in motion. Robb would have gladly marched back north with his dad to go to the wall, and then the Lannister forces could have fought a one-front war.
  9. I can't bring myself to care about pretty much any of the Stormlords (except the Evenstar) the non-frey non-mallister riverlords, or anyone in the Vale other than the Royces, Sweetrobin, and Lyn Corbray. GRRM has a remarkable ability to make me care more about three and six year old children I've never met more than adult characters who have appeared on page and presumably had personalities. Oh, and also of course the Dornish Shaggy Dog stories are tiring, but I kind of care just because I wonder why GRRM is "wasting" our time with them.
  10. I think the brooch is also an insult about his heritage. It's neither a stag nor a lion, but a pest and an "insect" (arachnid) known for stinging itself to death. The cup, in addition to being a murder weapon, communicates Mace's unambitious conservatism, and his non-involvement in Tywin's scheming. When Joffrey starts defacing the cup, it's not just an insulting gesture, it's also an expression of political incompatibility. The horsemanship / archery equipment is ironic as Joffrey seemingly sucks at martial pursuits, and there's been this continuous looming threat of Dothraki invasion.
  11. Why would Aurane have to fight the Redwyne's any time soon? They're still on the wrong coast and busy with a much more immediate threat. While the east coast is free of bigger fish, Aurane has a few months to live like a shark. And, long term, Cersei's spawn are dead and Margery will need a fourth husband / need to be avenged, and fAegon is a great person to handle either of those tasks. Mace never betrayed his dad, there's no enmity there.
  12. The Waters fleet has great ships, but they're outnumbered by a factor of ten before accounting for the merchant ships, where Redwyne and the Ironborn have a further advantage. If waters is joining with the Redwyne's or IB he'll be a footnote. That's why I think he'll have to first go to Aegon - because that's where his negotiating position will be greatest. I don't think Aegon and Dany are likely to come to blows before she lands. But anything could happen. The problem with fleeing the dumpster fire is that it's spreading so far. Slavers bay is even worse, Braavos is getting involved, et cetera. Where should he flee? The Summer Isles? I'm not so sure about Driftmark, just because the current lord is six and therefore controllable, and Aurane may be in a position to claim a richer prize. E.g. if captures a fleeing Tommen and Cersei at the second battle of the blackwater, he could demand her hand, or trade their heads for the promise of Sansa's hand (when recaptured. Or 'Sansa' when 'recaptured'), or a dispossessed stormlord, or... and then, on top of that, take his nephew as his ward. I'm not claiming any one of those as particularly likely scenarios, just pointing out that there are alternatives to Driftmark.
  13. Seconded. Further, we see four Westerosi fleets active in AFfC / ADwD - Ironborn, Reachman, Waters' and Stannis's (/ Wynan's). Aurane and Stannis are absolutely dwarfed by Paxter and Euron. That's means, on the one hand, that Waters is hardly any use against anyone but Stannis, and on the other hand that he's hardly any use against anyone without Stannis. But Aegon cannot make peace with Stannis because Dany's middle name is "Spared from infanticide because a cross wind delayed Stannis from seizing me in the cradle and handing me over to infanticidal maniacs" and Aegon wants to marry her. So Aegon can't really use Aurane to secure the Waters long term. He needs to either win over the Redwyne's or the Ironborn or pick a third option. This is further complicated by the fact that the a triply treasonous portion of the Iron Fleet is actively seeking out Dany. If she has it, that will likely make both the Redwynes hostile to her, and also make her hostile to the non Iron Fleet portion of the Ironborn naval forces. And then on top of that, we have the fact that the IB has thrown in with Stannis, and who knows what that means for the Bravosii navy. All in all, that's a ton of balls in the air. I don't think anyone can really be expected to juggle that much, so some things are bound to be dropped. I think Aurane could easily be one of those dropped balls. Aegon might be able to rely on Aurane long enough to take KL and cut off the Lannister escape, but maybe not for much longer than that. Aegons goals are complicated, while Aurane's are simple.
  14. Or that Brandon the Builder, AKA the guy who built a magical wall of ice, might have been an Other himself, and the original conclusion of the War for the Dawn might have involved the installation of a family who paid tribute to the others (ala craster) as Lord in the south, with the founding of House Stark by Brandon being a story of a great Other raising up his brothers or nephews or cousins to keep the peace.
  15. He was considering doing it because he felt it was his duty. It's not a selfish perspective, but it is self-centered. If Stannis weren't the proclaimed King AAR and someone said, "hey, could you kill this kid to save the world?" I think he'd say "saving the world isn't my job, saving this kid is." Remember how positively he thinks of Ser Cortnay Penrose. Stannis doesn't intrinsically want to save the world or protect the realm or anything like that - he consistently states that all of this has been thrust upon him. Contrast this to someone like Mel, who woke up one day and decided she needed to sail halfway around the world to help save it, or Dany who keeps getting sidetracked trying to implement reforms largely unnecessary to her position.This isn't to say that Mel or Dany are better, but their motivations come from different places.