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  1. Ha Ha. Yep, you're right about that. I like your ideas around Dany's character arc. It makes a lot more sense than what they actually did. I wonder a bit about the influence shows like this have on other writers and directors. A lot of those people are fans just like us, and I'm sure some of them are looking at the finished product and kind of rolling their eyes. On the other hand, those people are also a lot more familiar with how terrifically difficult it must be to put together a show like this.
  2. I don't know if it's been mentioned already, but I definitely wouldn't have given Jorah greyscale since that plotline went absolutely nowhere. I think what happened there was a change in direction between seasons. Initially, they were going to give him the Jon Connington plotline (whatever that turns out to be) but then changed their minds, and so he was miraculously cured.
  3. Maybe this is a dumb question. I don't know. But I wonder if we'll ever get an epic fantasy series like this again, at least in my lifetime? I'm in my mid-40's, so there's some time. Here's what I think, in a generic sense, would more or less qualify: 1) Epic in scale with solid world building and the sense that there is a big, big world out there with a deep history 2) Strong characters that we can identify with and have empathy for 3) Prose that flows and isn't distracting (for an example of terrible prose, try Ken Liu's The Grace of Kings) 4) Low magic 5) Politics and intrigue included, dynastic rivalries and conflict - that sort of thing 6) It should be about people, not elves, dwarves, hobbits, orcs, faeries, sprites, etc. It seems to me, if I were an up and coming author interested in writing fantasy literature, I would be looking at ASOIAF as a model. But I don't know if that's really the case. In some ways, I think GRRM is very unique in this genre because he's so heavily influenced by real history and historical fiction. Also, low magic seems to be a tough one for a lot of these authors.
  4. Maybe to go after Cersei. The prophecy says the valonqar will choke her to death, and "valonqar" is understood to be "little brother', but there are various theories that it could refer to a little sister instead because of confusion over gendered pronouns in High Valyrian. More immediately, she could use LF's face to try and figure out what the other Northern Lords are thinking and if any of them are conspiring against Jon. Of course, she could just go ask Dr. Branhattan, but that would probably be too easy.
  5. I think Arya's gonna get him and steal his face. We may not even know about it until after it happens when there's a reveal of some sort - Littlefinger going around, doing his thing, and then all of a sudden he reaches up, pulls off his face and it's Arya.
  6. I don't know that GRRM is especially interested in the actual logistics of moving an army from one place to another. Granted, he doesn't completely ignore that stuff the way the show does, but he doesn't go into any level of detail in the books.
  7. Right of conquest isn't a rule or any kind of law. It just means you won. Legitimacy is a broader question of how you are perceived after you win. This is where Robert's Targ ancestry comes into play. Jon Arryn would have likely made the best King, but he knew that Robert had the best chance of being perceived as a legitimate ruler and uniting the realm, and so he took the throne and married Cersei, which aligned the Lannisters with the winning faction in the rebellion. The English Kings struggled with the issue of legitimacy as well. Henry IV was the first Lancastrian King, by right of conquest, more or less. But, he was also a descendant of Edward III, which made his claim more palatable. But, even though there were several generations of Lancastrian Kings after him, which were perceived as legitimate, the York claim eventually surfaced based on the idea that the York line should have precedence. But, even there, the Yorkist Kings had to fight a war to press that claim. So when they won, the legitimacy of Edward IV was based on conquest but also on a birthright claim. When Henry Tudor defeated Richard III at Bosworth, he claimed the throne more or less by right of conquest, but he also pledged to his followers that he would marry Elizabeth of York, Edward IV's daughter. That marriage was key to the legitimacy of the Tudor Kings and Queens. It's a bit of a tangled mess, honestly.
  8. You must be trolling. Post count of 8.
  9. This is basically correct. I think this was one of the reasons for the Tarly BBQ in the last episode, to begin to position Dany as someone the people can't accept, whereas Jon, because of his heritage and because of his actions in defense of the realm, will be the natural leader for all of the seven kingdoms, which includes bringing the North back into the fold.
  10. Yes and No. Robert was a cousin of the ruling Targaryen line through his grandmother.
  11. Something I thought of recently that I think would have worked really well would have been to present parallel story lines in the past. These wouldn't be flashbacks, but more along the lines of how Godfather 2 did it. Probably, I would start well before Robert's Rebellion, when Brandon, Ned, Lyanna, and Benjen were all kids. You could do something like the equivalent of 2-3 episodes per season and slowly tell the story of all of the events leading up to Lyanna running away with Rhaegar. In the books, we have the benefit of dialog and stories about that time, which help us fill in the gaps as readers. But show watchers don't get this stuff.
  12. I'm the rare bird that thinks they should have cut even more from the original storyline in favor of more time with key characters. For instance, I would have cut Dorne and the Ironborn out completely. I'm assuming here that we're talking about a 10-episode season. If they could have done more episodes, then that's a different story.
  13. With The Grace of Kings, something I was wondering about is if the narrative style has to do with the style in which Chinese folk tales are told.
  14. I just started The Grace of Kings by Ken Liu. So far, the story and characters seem interesting, but the prose/narrative style of the author is distracting. I'm not sure what the technical term for it is, but it's very expository. As I read it, I feel like the narrator is telling me the story. I can almost hear the narrator's voice. Right now, I doubt I'll get much further in this book.
  15. Here's an idea. Instead of this stupid plan, why not meet with Cersei first and have her agree to send a delegation to the wall, under the protection of the KITN and the Dragon Queen, to see the truth for themselves?