Fire Eater

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  1. I think those count as private works not public, given both are meant for the exclusive use of the Targaryens and not the public.
  2. That's not fair to Nero, Maegor didn't ban capital punishment nor build public works.
  3. The reign of Maegor I Targaryen, known to history and legend as Maegor the Cruel, lasted six years and sixty-six days. Apparently, Maegor was the Antichrist. A lot of the resistance to his reign seemed to be akin to the BwB, in that it was mostly smallfolk based. Tyanna has a strong Varys vibe: spymaster connected to a Pentoshi magister, associates with spiders and rats (counterpart to mice) and engages in assassination and sorcery. I think she and Maegor deserve each other. Both are pretty sadistic psychopaths.
  4. I felt that Apple's thread deserved to be continued just in case any other foreshadowing is picked up. First one from Apple Second one from a new poster This is NOT a thread to discuss Jon's legitimacy as a Stark, but to look at the foreshadowing pointing to Jon as King or hero.
  5. Very good argument. We have to remember that dragons aren't first and foremost, weapons but animals. They aren't bad anymore than destriers, war elephants or attack dogs are. Dragons are dangerous, but their destructive power doesn't make them evil. They usually don't inflict mass devastation unless commanded by their riders. Wild dragons seem to have more of a taste for mutton than humans. The Cannibal is the exception, and other than that, the only times we see dragons eat people is when humans are fed to them. The fault for dragons should lie with their riders and the people they serve.
  6. The only reason Jon would come to her is for aid against the Others (likely after the Wall falls). He is also LC of the NW, and has legitimate concerns. The problem with not believing his story is the Starks have no blood of the dragon. Howland Reed, who was at the Tower of Joy, along with Wylla would likely vouch for him. Howland Reed has no ravens at Greywater Watch, and with no means of communication to the Wall with someone he never met, it would be difficult to argue that he concocted a plan to have Jon pose as Rhaegar's son given the lack of communication. If Ashara Dayne is also there, her story would be believed given she comes from a family of Targaryen loyalists with her brother having been Rhaegar's closet friend. Finally, there is precedent for dragons being used as to prove identity. Addam of Hull mounted Seasmoke, and it was accepted that he was a Velaryon. If Jon mounts a dragon, he would be proving his Targaryen heritage. The Starks have no blood of the dragon, and it would be incredibly difficult to argue his mother was some Dornish servant like Wylla. Aegon IV isn't recorded as having fathered any bastards in Dorne where he only went to fight, and no Blackfyre has ever visited Dorne or the North. There is more evidence to support his story than any other alternative. Also, denying him wouldn't silence whispers. Also, it is more likely Oakenfist was the father of Elaena's children. I wouldn't call them pure-blooded since the Plumms likely intermarried with other noble houses.
  7. Except that completely ignores that Ironborn have been trading at different ports for as long as they had ships. Pirates don't attack every port, and trying to raid the Free Cities would be suicide. Victarion was able to take on supplies at Volantis without any trouble, and Asha mentions stopping at the Arbor and "a score of smaller ports." Ironborn longships are used for trading as well as piracy. The Ironborn camp at White Harbor doesn't take into account that it is on the other side of Westeros, and there are ports on the North's western coast. That argument still fails to take into account that no one wants to be ruled over by their longtime enemies. The Ironborn would see it as a violation of their sovereignty.
  8. The Ironborn have ships that can sail anywhere. They don't need foreign ships to come to their waters, just use the ships they have to sail to different ports. That's how they earned riches trading. Handing them to another region is recipe for a rebellion. The Ironborn have a strong sense of identity and culture. That is without mentioning that the kingdoms that share the Sunset Sea with them: the North, the Westerlands, the Reach and the riverlands, have been their traditional enemies for millenia since it was their shores they often reaved. It would be just as easy as putting Dorne under the LP of the Reach or the Stormlands. Also, Ironborn longships aren't fishing boats. There are already fishing villages along the western shores and Bear Island. They likely already fish the Shivering Sea.
  9. I think it is more fitting that Sansa is the one who does the deed. She is with LF, and there is the reference to daggers he makes to her a number of times.
  10. They actually haven't been starving since the ban on reaving. They still have agriculture and fishing to supplement what they lack from farming. It is also mentioned in AWOIAF that "Merchants and traders sailing from Lordsport on Pyke and the harbors of Great Wyk, Harlaw, and Orkmont spread out across the seas, calling at Lannisport, Oldtown, and the Free Cities, and returning with treasures their forebears had never dreamed of." They can likely derive more income from trade than reaving. I would start by making the Reader the Lord of the Iron Isles (I think the Greyjoys are headed for extinction at this point). He is basically Harmund the Host come again.
  11. I don't think Sansa will die. She will come close to death, but not die. The only way I see her dying, is in the Epilogue of ADoS a century later. I don't think Arya will kill her, given her killings are done out of a sense of justice, or at the very least related to those who wronged her friends and family. The exceptions were her assignment for the insurance guy in the FM, and the Bolton guard so she could escape. Littlefinger won't kill Sansa, because as evidenced by asking Cersei to have Sansa as his bride, his creepy fixation on her makes him unlikely to dispose of. She is also too valuable a piece politically as well as personally.
  12. Agreed, with the above two posters, Dragonstone seems like an ideal place given there is plenty of room for them. I think the dragons would simply have rested somewhere close to the royal castle.
  13. Barristan will die, and Victarion will take control. Tyrion will be working behind the scenes, making Victarion think he has him cowed. Dany will return eventually with an army of Dothraki. When the Volantenes arrive, she can incite the tigers to rise up against their masters.
  14. Rhaegar would have avoided such a situation with Aerys. His words to Jaime : "When this battle's done I mean to call a council." suggests he meant to call a Great Council. He would have tried to remove his father through political means.
  15. I think Jaehaerys, too since I think the first is the Targaryen king Jon most resembles. His predecessors: Aegon and Viserys/Jon's predecessors: Aegon and Viserys (via Aerys's decree) Jon also did that at the Battle of the Castle Black.
  16. I'd add that the signs of Marsh plotting Jon's assassination were clearly there. When he comes to meet Jon after he sent Val off, Marsh is the only one to refuse when Jon offers his party food and drink. In the final meeting he has with Jon, he doesn't even touch the wine Jon had placed for him. This refusal of hospitality is one sign. Mance also mentions Marsh balking about him sitting next to his group when he is talking to them "about the high walls." If Marsh is only talking about something as innocent as closing all the Wall's gates then why is he so paranoid about people listening in?
  17. LF isn't absolved of the curse given Slynt never set foot in Harrenhal, yet he still got sent to the Wall and lost his head.
  18. He has my vote at the next kingsmoot.
  19. Actually, they created the Others only in the show not the books. Also, skinchangers aren't an ethnic group. They are born randomly. The only bad skinchanger we have come upon is Varamyr.
  20. The Reader, he does seem to be a decent politician. For any house however, the problem is succession is a coin toss, and every house has its share of good and bad rulers.
  21. The fire inside her being kept alive is a drive fore revenge. If the Freys are wiped out, her revenge is complete and her fire will die out without the fuel that sustained it.
  22. Summerhall, to find out what really happened there.
  23. Sorry, about the fire. That is terrible. I hope you have insurance.
  24. Not much given the Neck; the North wasn't involved in the Great Game all the Southron kingdoms were engaged in. They only shared a border withe the riverlands, and the only kingdoms they are recorded fighting are the Vale over the Sisters and the Iron Isles over their depredations. Their foreign policy tended to be pretty isolationist for the most part with only a small group of merchants providing contact with other kingdoms. WOAIF mentions that in the Starks' conquest of Sea Dragon Point, they fought the CotF who were allied with their foe the Warg King. That suggests the CotF did get involved with First Men politics, and likely paid a price for picking the wrong side.
  25. We all know Thorin Oakenshield Tyrion is going to retake Erebor Casterly Rock. The question is how? Even Visenya admitted they couldn't take Casterly Rock with dragons. The precise method by which he accomplished this remains a matter of conjecture. In the most common version of the tale, Lann discovered a secret way inside the Rock, a cleft so narrow that he had to strip off his clothes and coat himself with butter in order to squeeze through. Once inside, however, he began to work his mischief, whispering threats in the ears of sleeping Casterlys, howling from the darkness like a demon, stealing treasures from one brother to plant in the bedchamber of another, rigging sundry snares and deadfalls. By such methods he set the Casterlys at odds with one another and convinced them that the Rock was haunted by some fell creature that would never let them live in peace. Other tellers prefer other versions of the tale. In one, Lann uses the cleft to fill the Rock with mice, rats, and other vermin, thereby driving out the Casterlys. Tyrion will likely emulate his ancestor in using a passage into the Rock. After all, Tyrion possesses his forebear's legendary cunning. The Rock even has a port inside it, complete with docks and wharves and shipyards, for the sea has carved great caves into its western face, natural gates deep and wide enough for longships and even cogs to enter and off-load their cargoes. So to mark his manhood, Tyrion was given charge of all the drains and cisterns within Casterly Rock. Perhaps he hoped I'd fall into one. But Tywin had been disappointed in that. The drains never drained half so well as when he had charge of them. "I once had charge of all the drains in Casterly Rock," Tyrion said mildly. "Some of them had been stopped up for years, but I soon had them draining merrily away." It is mentioned twice that Tyrion had charge of the drains at CR. He would likely use that knowledge to his advantage. The drains likely empty into the sea caves beneath the Rock, which are accessible form the outside. He's [Viserion] made himself a cave, the prince realized. A burrow in the brick. The foundations of the Great Pyramid of Meereen were massive and thick to support the weight of the huge structure overhead; even the interior walls were three times thicker than any castle's curtain walls. But Viserion had dug himself a hole in them with flame and claw, a hole big enough to sleep in. Viserion had demonstrated that the dragons can tunnel through stone. This would serve a crucial element in Tyrion's plan since the drains likely wouldn't be wide enough for a man to crawl through. In short, Tyrion would likely go into the sea caves to locate a drain, and then have the dragons dig to widen the drain enough for a few men to climb through. He would then send a small force disguised as Lannister guardsmen (Lannister uniforms shouldn't be hard to find near CR) to make their way to the Lion's Mouth, and open the gates to the rest of the army waiting outside.