Black Crow

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  1. I stand by my argument, that if there is indeed a Stark connection to the white walkers then it is Jon who will be central to that story arc, embracing his true heritage as a son of Winterfell and what may be the real price of belonging. The Nights King may well be out there, whether he is Coldhands or anybody else, but he will at best be a minor character and not central to the story as Jon and his siblings are
  2. I think it more likely that the walkers are [or originally were*] the old Stark lords and like the Nazgul they have returned to claim what was theirs - like the Golden Company. *but like the Golden Company younger generations are needed to keep the numbers up, hence Craster's sons
  3. Not at all, as I went on to say in that same post the implications of dead Stark wargs becoming white walkers and consequently that being Jon's outcome far outweigh the appearance of a little-mentioned figure from legend. The story as discussed above revolves around the children of Winterfell not some mouldy relic of times gone by, powerful or otherwise. Coldhands, as I conceded might turn out to be the man, but this is about Jon, not him
  4. As to the binding, I'm still inclined to see that as an excuse/plea for mercy rather than a serious case of mind control, but as for the Nights King; I agree its theoretically possible that he might well live on, perhaps as Coldhands, but not as the arch villain of the mummers' version. If we go along with the theory that the white walkers are, or were originally, the old Stark Lords and that the Nights King was the last; then there is a serious possibility that a dead Jon will become a walker. If so then a Nights King, spoken of only vaguely in the book as a legendary figure from long ago, even if revealed as Coldhands, will be irrelevant in plot terms by comparison with an Icy Jon.
  5. I don't even see that as a serious possibility. Apart from the moral issues I don't see it is a credible plot device, in the way that Rhaegar and Ser Arthur might be.
  6. Which is pretty well exactly what GRRM said when people started getting excited about the "Nights King" in the mummers' version
  7. It depends how you define important. I'm not convinced by the union of Ice and Fire thing and if Jon has a significance in that respect it is as a son of Winterfell and ultimately the counterbalance to Fire. If there is any "non-political" intervention going on my primary candidate would be Mel, having failed to recruit him and re-interpeting those skull not as a danger to Jon but the reverse, ie; Jon representing the danger
  8. Yes, I can go with this too.
  9. It depends where she sees Jon at this stage. It appears she sees him as a useful ally but doesn't attach greater significance to him and if the fool isn't interested on his own head be it. He's expendable anyway. Stan's still the man.
  10. Discussion has taken an interesting turn, and its worth pursuing further, but I'd just make a couple of observations here. The plot, or plots, under discussion are political and concerned with Jon's temporal leadership of the Watch; Ice and Fire doesn't appear to come into it. Secondly I'm dubious of Qyburn's active involvement. He's simply too remote, although that's certainly not to prevent him ensuring the conspirators singly or collectively, that they do the Queen's work and that she will smile upon them accordingly.
  11. I don't believe that the Nights King does want Jon. He's just a legend from the land of long long ago
  12. I'm not expecting "trouble" over this one. Whether Jon's father was Rhaegar or a stableboy, his mother being Lyanna is sufficient to justify Ned adopting him as his own, and the fact that he was brought up by Ned as a son of Winterfell and that his mother was a daughter of Winterfell is going to far outweigh the name of Prince Charming
  13. That's certainly a possibility, but I'm guided [and yes possibly led astray] by Conrad's original in which the ambush is indeed orchestrated by Kurz/Bloodraven with a little input from The Russian/Coldhands
  14. It is I think that there has to be at least a possibility that Small Paul has been "sent" given that he enters the house alone while the rest of the zombie horde wait patiently [?] outside
  15. Notwithstanding the mummers' version I'm not sure that they do anyway, they may just be the cold servants of whatever does it, but as to south of the Wall, whether they bring the cold or merely come with the cold, the Wall is stopping that cold.