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  1. Heresy Branch Office E05

    As to Point 1, the reference is in the World Book: Finally, driven by desperation, the little people turned to sorcery and beseeched their greenseers to stem the tide of these invaders. And so they did, gathering in their hundreds (some say on the Isle of Faces), and calling on their old gods with song and prayer and grisly sacrifice (a thousand captive men were fed to the weirwood, one version of the tale goes, whilst another claims the children used the blood of their own young). And the old gods stirred, and giants awoke in the earth, and all of Westeros shook and trembled. As to the rest, given Ygritte's rather passionate speech about the Wall being evil and made of blood - and Mel's comments about the magic in the Wall, I'd say its a pretty fair inference and one we've discussed on the main Heresy board. White Walkers? Nothing solid in the text, just all the stuff we've discussed on the main board for so long and now had confirmed. Hardhome? Nothing at all in the texts and to be honest all that fire doesn't sound like their style - more like the other lot.
  2. Heresy 185

    I think the point about Stannis' shadows were that they weren't controlled at all, but rather were a part of Stannis unleashed. There's no doubt that Stannis, personally, was frustrated and angry first with Renly and then with the Castellan, but as a very rational man he was constrained from lashing out by personality, societal norms - and the walls of Storms End. The shadow, drawn from Stannis was Stannis freed of all inhibition and restraint.
  3. Heresy Branch Office E05

    Speculative indeed, but if the white walkers come with the winter and shun the sun, then it would make a degree of sense to have a spring/summer body of changelings.
  4. Heresy 185

    I think its far simpler to see them as actual changelings.
  5. Heresy Branch Office E05

    Your ability to read and write in English is fine - and a lot better than my ability to read and write in your language so no apologies are necessary. What we have learned both from the books and remarks by GRRM [this is a long-standing heresy] is that the white walkers are not a separate race but human changelings created by the three-fingered tree-huggers. Or at least once they were and now themselves need to pass on the "gift" to Craster's sons to keep up their numbers. They are not "cold dead things hating all life" As to what they want; on the basis of what we've learned and what we've seen elsewhere in the books, I'd say that they may turn out to be exiles, like the Golden Company, who want to reclaim what was once theirs.
  6. Heresy Branch Office E05

    I have to disagree, I don't have a link to this SSM but I've no reason to doubt it: There are several competing religions in this series now. Should we be wondering if some are more true than others? In a world with magic, is religion just magic with an extra layer of mythos? Well, the readers are certainly free to wonder about the validity of these religions, the truth of these religions, and the teachings of these religions. I'm a little leery of the word "true" — whether any of these religions are more true than others. I mean, look at the analogue of our real world. We have many religions too. Are some of them more true than others? I don't think any gods are likely to be showing up in Westeros, any more than they already do. We're not going to have one appearing, deus ex machina, to affect the outcomes of things, no matter how hard anyone prays. So the relation between the religions and the various magics that some people have here is something that the reader can try to puzzle out.
  7. Heresy 185

    The wights may be rotten, but Craster's boys certainly aint: "the Others are not dead" - GRRM
  8. Heresy Branch Office E05

    While I'm still minded to link the creation scene with Bran's actual vision of a sacrifice at Winterfell, the mention [presumably exaggerated] of 1,000 human prisoners being sacrificed rather suggests that in book terms the tree-huggers didn't create a single "Nights King" but rather created a whole slew of walkers. Only men of course which is why they now need Craster's sons to keep their numbers up.
  9. Heresy Branch Office E05

    Ah the timelines and the true purpose of the Wall is something we heretics have long discussed and while as always there is no complete concensus we are all agreed that things are not as they seem - and its worth noting that even Bran Stark has doubts right at the very beginning as to whether Bob the Builder raised the Wall.
  10. Heresy 185

    I'd say so. The real question is the milestones. With no WoW to base it on the mummers version is largely going to be irrelevant to book-based discussion anyway. What is going to be important is applying the milestones to this side of the board. Presumably an SSM confirming one or all of them will be sufficient to release them.
  11. Heresy 185

    Interesting point and if I read you aright they should more properly be First among Men. Its certainly not impossible. If we look to the Andals their invasion was accomplished by relatively few of them conquering or marrying into the local aristocracy. The same may have been true of the First Men. We've noted before that they may not literally have been the first men to reach Westeros, but rather were aristos who set up for petty kings over the original inhabitants and thus were first as in first in order of precedence over them. Its certainly what we see in the early invasions of Britain and Ireland. What we think of as the Celts were just the latest in a long line of incomers, all setting up for kings over their predecessors.
  12. Heresy Branch Office E05

    Ah well some of we miserable heretics have argued that originally the Black Gate was the only way to pass the Wall and that the original Watch was a small band of gatekeepers. Its only after the Nights King was overthrown that the ancestors of the present Watch took over and built the castles. GRRM seemed keen to dampen speculation about the Nights King in the mummers' version, insisting he was only a figure of legend and no more likely than any other legendary figure to turn up. This may or may not be true, but I'm inclined to go for the simple explanation that no matter how many book readers watch the show it has to be comprehensible to non readers. Keep it simple. The walkers are the big bad. The big bad need a leader and just as Dolorous Ed found he was it, so the Nights King was a convenient it.
  13. Heresy Branch Office E05

    Good aint it So far as Point 2 goes are you able to quote words and music?
  14. Heresy 185

    Not recently, although we have done in the distant past. In fact one hardly soul quite early on collated all her stories and references by other characters to her stories, but that was a long time ago so if you have some ideas post away and we'll see where they go.
  15. Heresy Branch Office E05

    I'd disagree here. I think that the Heart is metaphorical. The trees are at the heart of everything, whether it is winter or is the heart of darkness where first Kurtz/Bloodraven and then Bran/Marlow journeyed.