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  1. I liked the set and costume design for the Dorne scenes but what actually happened didn't make sense.
  2. GRRM on Gendry and Arya (Allegedly)

    Thanks! :D   ETA:   IA with you. I see it as pertaining to the subplot but not the major plot. Stoneheart is expendable and IMO won't amount to much. The Freys may be dealt with but most of the fandom can't name the majority so it's not major. The Lannisters are temporary and the Lannister's downfall in KL will be more important than that.
  3. GRRM on Gendry and Arya (Allegedly)

    Someone else posted the same thing that OP was about on here but it's not the same source.     As for Jaqen being a criminal I don't see that being a problem. She knew what he was and it was him she wanted to be like. Most of the people she hangs around in Braavos now are criminals. Jaqen is more like her than Gendry is. Gendry hasn't even seen what she is completely capable of which didn't happen until Braavos. The worst he saw her do was the Bolton guard which can still be explained that they were going to die if she hadn't. Granted I'm not arguing that she saw Jaqen in that way but I don't see being a criminal as a dealbreaker.   I think she doesn't think of him precisely because they have different paths. In the original story Arya and Jon were thinking of their love and the conflicts that arose from that throughout the series because they were an intended pair. If Arya/Gendry is not an intended pair it makes sense that his relevancy to her story would become less and less. Notice he changed the original outline but Jon still remains in her thoughts even to ADWD. I would say that she has thought of Gendry back in AFFC but one of those times is negative.   Now I do think she will kill Dunsen for taking Gendry's helm but I don't think that will have much to do with Gendry but more to do with her desire to kill. It wouldn't be to protect Gendry or because Gendry wants her to do it.   ETA:     It was the closest but it wasn't even romantic in a lover's sense. It was more about adventure. & the full quote wasn't even just about Gendry. She wanted to be with Anguy and Hot Pie too. Before that she says she could stay with Hot Pie or Lord Beric and Anguy would teach her the bow. Then she could ride with Gendry and be an outlaw. I don't see it as romantic really because it's not really just about him but about being with her friends. She ended it with that was stupid because Hot Pie and Gendry left her as soon as they could and that none of them really wanted her. 
  4. GRRM on Gendry and Arya (Allegedly)

    That's 2 different sources now saying the same thing. I got it from a poster on here who said their friend went to whatever it was in Canada.   Anyways, on child soldiers and realism I don't think the fandom really wants that because some of their wishes contradict that and I don't see them saying other things should happen because it would be realistic.   As an example, it seems the majority want her to leave the FM to rejoin and help the Starks. If GRRM wanted to portray a child soldier realistically that wouldn't happen. Statistically speaking child soldiers reuniting with their family usually ends in failure. & most don't even leave to rejoin their family. The notion of her helping the Starks is actually just as unrealistic for a child soldier as the notion of her being in a romantic love affair with someone she knew before. She's far more likely to kill Gendry actually if we want to be realistic.   If we want GRRM to really be more realistic Arya killing one of her family members is much more realistic than Arya having a loving reunion with them which seems to be what the majority wants. Many child soldiers are told to and do kill their family members as part of the socialization to violence process.   Furthermore, she should be much more violent as child soldiers IRL are capable of much more gruesome things, are much more indiscriminate killers, etc.   In the case of the opposite sex yes it's true romance is not in the future of the majority. However, aside from the Tamil Tigers most female child soldiers tend to be subjected to things as child sex slavery/being child brides for the males of their group. I don't see anyone saying the Mercy chapter was tame and it should be much more frequent because realism.
  5. I was one of those who believed in the Mel is going to burn Shireen and Stannis will allow it theory. Maybe in the books it will go down differently but I'm even more convinced now that she will die.
  6. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    LOL, but she thinks almost everything is stupid. It's not much different than when Sansa failed to keep her mouth shut when Jon was brought up in the Vale.
  7. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    In ADWD something similar happened. I'd have to recheck if it the same thing was in AFFC too.
  8. [Book Spoilers] EP506 Discussion v. 2

    That's the first time I've seen someone complain because the KM does hit and beat her in the books on different occasions. Anyways, TBH I'm not that surprised by the scene because the reasoning as to why it wouldn't happen didn't make sense to me. That Sansa is a great player and she'll manipulate him into doing what she wants and he won't hurt her. IMO that's not logical with a character such as Ramsay. I admit I laughed when either Roose or LF said that Ramsay was smitten with her. So her storyline already came off as ridiculous to me before this especially with as I said the belief that she would coax him into liking her like Margaery did Tommen.
  9. Are you talking about the books? Arya was not 11 until she went to Braavos. ASoS: When they were at Acorn Hall remember she said I'll be a woman soon, I'll be one and ten. So she was not 11 yet. & in ACoK we're given the age difference. He's closer to Jon and Robb's age. She's not necessarily the same as other girls her age. Look at her first sexual experience which was disturbing and highly abnormal. Asha was already interested in experimenting at Arya's age. Arya has not shown any interest in the males that she was surrounded by in Braavos. It's not because she's hung up on Gendry because she already rejected him for abandoning her in AFFC and she hasn't thought about him. I doubt it's because of some great love story either because other main characters have noted attraction to other people besides their supposed main love interest in the series. Now she could have had a crush on Gendry but it's also true that little girls have fleeting crushes. They move on to the next one and do not fixate on one person their entire life. That's not the norm. Normally she would have had a crush on another boy by now instead of doing what she did (Mercy) which little girls typically do not do.
  10. As for the love song I've often said I see it as saying it won't happen rather than the shippers belief that it will. The man and the woman in the song don't want the same thing. He wants to be her lord and guard her with his sword. The woman wanted to be lovers so not married. It may be but here's the thing we've actually seen people from the Stormlands in the books. Didn't Asha get shit from them for being a woman who fights? I definitely remember Selyse and her ilk valuing a traditional lady. Remember her advice to Val. The men I'm sure wanted Val so they could tame her. I don't think they like her as she is. She represents a challenge to them and she's beautiful. Although Arya is not the same to Asha but still I see no indication that they would be ok with her murderous tendencies. IA that SE isn't a happy ending. I never got it. Why is there an assumption that she would like the place? She doesn't know anyone from there. & the people we have seen from there I don't see why it would be any different from when she was miserable in KL. ETA: And I was just talking about Stannis' faction but I forgot about Renly. I definitely remember Brienne being ridiculed and seen as a joke by people in the Stormlands. Renly himself was amused. A lot of Renly's group were like him. Cat called them knights of summer. Again Arya is not like Brienne but I'm saying based on what we've seen of the people who are actually from there I see nothing that says they would like how Arya behaves and wouldn't make her life difficult. & all that courtly stuff Renly was into is more up Sansa's alley than Arya's. I also vaguely remember complaints about Jon letting the wildling women fight although that may have only come from Stannis. Still I doubt his men don't share his sentiments based on how some spoke to Asha. We haven't seen very many ladies but if most are like Selyse then that would be even worse than when Arya didn't want to hang out with Sansa and Myrcella in KL. Myrcella at least is nice and isn't snooty. It would be hard for her to acquire a group of girl friends. Her friends in Braavos are entirely different. & the lady of SE is not going to be around commoners typically to be hanging with them and she already learned her lesson that it's hard to be genuine friends with someone when you are above their rank. Anyways, to the topic I think Gendry is clearly not a replacement for Jon. Jon not Gendry is still the person she loves the most as in the original outline so Gendry did not do anything to change that. It's just that the romance is gone. Their feelings for each other were supposed to be something she dealt with the entire series meanwhile Gendry's relevance to Arya has gotten less and less. I don't see how that is building up a great love story if she moves away from him, doesn't want to go back to him but does want to go back to Jon, and hardly thinks about him anymore. Excellent post. I don't think a love story is in her future like with the original outline but had the 5 year gap not been scrapped she likely would have had sex with someone who is not Gendry and maybe several people by now. Like those sailors she likes to hang around or any of the shady people she's friends with.The original Mercy chapter was more explicit.
  11. I don't think so. After all who would have predicted that her first sexual experience would be with I doubt she'll have romance but I don't think he really has to link her with who we knew before in her storyline especially since it's likely that she'll spend most of the story going forward away from them and around other people.
  12. At best she had a crush on Gendry. I don't see why that means it's endgame. Does the average person only like their first crush for the rest of their lives? No. Hell, I don't even remember who mine was. There was a poster on here who said that in response to the question of Arya and Gendry being in a romantic relationship GRRM said that they have different paths. She said it in an old romance thread. So that's a no. I know some in response used the different roads line to justify it but that was also a line between Arya and Jon not Arya and Gendry and I think GRRM was just saying no. The problem is that it's hearsay and not like an interview but it's something to keep in mind. Furthermore, she didn't think of him in ADWD. So far no TWoW mention but we still have the rest of her chapters. It seems to me that he is lessening their connection rather than strengthening it. I don't see how that makes a great love story. In addition, he is changing her. I don't see how one can read the Mercy chapter and then think oh yeah she and Gendry are so going to hook up. Most shippers only have the early chapters to use as evidence. The likelihood for it imo becomes less and less as the series goes on especially as she grows darker and the effect of GRRM's child soldier inspiration becomes more apparent. She is not the same as she was when she was Arry. EDIT: I don't see why she would be. The way I see it there isn't proof that as of the Mercy chapter Arya still has feelings for Gendry. At least San/San shippers can say she still thinks of him in the Vale and when she thinks of romance or sexual things she is reminded of him. When Arya thinks of either of the two Gendry is a non factor. Arya mentioned Gendry like twice in AFFC and one of which was negative. In ADWD he gets no mention. She doesn't think of him when Brea hooks up with boys, when she is flirting, etc. Of course she is not the same as her sister but I don't see the basis for her being in love with him when she can go a long period where he is irrelevant to her thoughts and when she does think of him it's not anything romantic. The last time she thought anything that could be interpreted as romantic was way back in ASoS. She was 10 then. GRRM's original plan is interesting because I remember once saying that at least with Jon she: showered him with kisses so she wanted to touch him at one point. Because with Gendry even though physical attraction was there she never desired any kind of intimacy with him even in the child like sense.She blushed in Jon's presence (she never has physical reactions to Gendry). Usually when one has a crush they blush or get butterflies. They want to touch. Even when they're kids. They want to kiss on the cheek, hug, or hold hands. She continues to think of him unlike Gendry. Now I don't think they will be in a romance but if there's anyone she has strong feelings for it's Jon not Gendry. Although I don't think she desires him like that but she clearly loves him. I don't see the love with Gendry. At best she cared but he's irrelevant to her future now. I don't see her making plans to get back to him. She wanted to get back to Jon.
  13. A Sandor Clegane Discussion

    I doubt either the Hound or LS teach Arya to forgive. We have the Ghost of HIgh Heart who can see the future and says that she is dark heart, blood child, and smelling of death. Nothing about that implies a path of forgiveness. The Hound tries to teach her mercy and to kill to end suffering her next kills are utterly without mercy. He doesn't have that much influence over her. Back to what I was saying Jon saying you will be sewing through winter. That is interpreted as she'll be killing through winter. Wolves are at their predatory height during winter not before. This matters because she has a bond with a wolf that likes to hunt and kill people. Nymeria influences her. GRRM said killing becomes almost a game for children in Arya's position. She's not there yet. I would say she is poised to get worse not better. I have no problem with that. Plus, I think she's not really in a situation where she is poised to end up like Sandor. Most of Sandor's kills are on orders. Arya's murders are her hunting her victims and making her own decisions that she wants to kill them which is serial killer behavior and thus far more akin to Ramsay than Sandor without his excessive sick shit especially with her now checking off the kills having a sexual element to them. She is like him with the child soldier thing but Sandor is the literal child soldier. Arya compares to them psychologically. She's not an actual child soldier. The FM aren't a paramilitary group or armed forces. Sandor worked for the equivalent of a corrupt gov.'t. Plus, the author said it was an assumption that she would be an assassin which coincides with most of her kills not being on orders. But still I'm sure when he looked them up he researched the statistics. Most of them don't change. Oh, and she also has a Macbeth moment. In that story the cycle of violence never stops. Not to mention if he leaves the Quiet Isle and continues killing on orders only this time it's to help the Starks he really can't tell her anything.
  14. Moments of Foreshadowing 10

    Hot Pie would never want to marry Arya. ACoK: ASoS: When she realized that he feared her she essentially thinks that she would rather have his fear than his love. Mind you she is much worse now. She hadn't even murdered anyone at that point. I can just imagine his reaction since he's someone who couldn't even handle her as Arry. There's no hope for him if he met her now. ETA: & she doesn't want to marry and she has gone several books now not showing any romantic interest. Personally, I think she dies in ADoS. No marriage no romance no children. Just death. & even in Jamie's comment he's lying. He thought the real Arya was dead already and he's actually talking about "Arya" and Sansa. Anyways, I don't see Nymeria from Grey Ghost's description plus she might be in the North already.
  15. I've made this observation before but both Hot Pie and Gendry wanted to leave Weasel alone in the woods. If Arya had been the one who wanted to leave them behind instead of them she would have been called all kinds of evil for it.