Daena the Defiant

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  1. The Maderlys are "Wardens of the White Knife" and some of the more prominent Dornish lords have "wardenships" in their packet of titles, Warden of the Stone Way - Lord Yronwood, Warden oft he Prince's Pass - Lord Fowler. The fact that both of those are probably means of entry to into Dorne is obviously a relic of the fact that both had a vital role in maintaining the Dornish borders.... which dovetails neatly into an observation you made earlier that the "warden" position is assigned to a military man on the occasions when the incumbent is a woman or a child. Since the odds are fairly high that there have been a regnant Lady Fowler or Lady Yronwood because, well, Dorne, does the warden position automatically accrue to the ruling lady, or is she still expected to assign her husband orbrother, I wonder.
  2. Cersei's torture of the Blue Bard was atrocious but everyone seems to forget about it. Then again, Tyrion had that singer killed and then sold the meat to a bowl shop in Fleabottom, which is was pretty heinous.
  3. Mad Danelle Lothston Lady Serailla, The Lace Serpent Shiera Seastar Wenda the White Fawn Queen Visenya
  4. This is an excellent point. I suspect that perhaps that the King in the North would have kept "Lord of Winterfell" as one of his supplemental titles, or as we saw (briefly) with Bran, they would bestow the title "Prince(ess) of Winterfell" upon the heir(ess), which could be largely be ceremonial as the governorship of the Northern Kingdom (which includes the Riverlands) would be largely indistinct from the lordship of the North. Although, they did create a title for Ser Brynden, and made him "Warden of the Southern Marches," which is pretty much the Riverlands and would seem to overlap with the lordship of Riverrun. Perhaps the "old" role of Lord of Winterfell would be distinct from the King in the North, but would still include the position and responsibilities and title of "Warden of the North."
  5. When Robb was "King in the North," it was decided by whomever to instantly confer royal status on his siblings (Sansa and Arya are listed as princesses in the appendices - which is Elmar Frey was bummed that his marriage to a princess [Arya] was quashed) - normally royal status flows from being the progeny of a previous monarch (usually even more restricted through the male line). As Robb's siblings, even under "normal" monarchical pretensions, they would not be due 'princely' titles. Textual Examples: When Robert Baratheon was acclaimed as king, Stannis and Renly didn't assume the title of 'prince.' Ergo, it was decided by Stark/Tully Inc. to pronounce the Stark siblings as princes and princesses in an apparent break from recent precedent. Bran is a bit of a special case, though - as Robb's direct heir, they decided to create him "Prince of Winterfell" a courtesy title to the Kingship of the North (I wonder if that was historical or modelled on the Targaryen style of "Prince of Dragonstone."). Presumably, had the Kingdom of the North been allowed to exist and Robb and Jeyne actually had children, Bran's status of "Prince of Winterfell" would have been transferred to Robb's eldest son. Or perhaps, modeled on the "Princedom of Wales" it is formally invested upon an heir, and the occupant of the position holds it for life, regardless of actual place in the succession, i.e. no longer the heir.
  6. Ah! Good to know. Thank you for the correction.
  7. I forgot all about Alys Karstark - hers is an interesting story to be sure. I am all about the sudden new manifestation of women rulers in the North, Lady Eddarra Tallhart, who is a child, Lady Jonelle Cerwyn, etc. I am interested to see what comes of the Glovers, too. The heir is a child yet the dowager, Lady Sybella appears to be a little silly. I am also very curious to see the inner workings of a motherhouse, or at least to be presented with a good-hearted, pious yet erudite septa. The septas around Cersei were horrid caricatures, and the one attached to the royal family doesn't seem very impressive. I also find myself wanting more exposure to the Dornish aristocracy in a way that doesn't revolve around the Sand Snakes,
  8. Well, lets just handwave away a lot of the circumstances, errors in judgment and the Intended Doom that the Author Intended and start to kick around this idea. In your scenario for Robb to have won the Freys have to stay on board so that means that Robb honors the pact with Walder and takes a Frey wife (I'm assuming that Roslin is the pearl among the swine that Robb chooses). The Riverlands stay firmly in his camp, allowing Robb to effectively check the Lannister influence. Is Margaery still on the market? She would be a suitable bride for Edmure. Otherwise, the Highgarden/Storms End alliance is still going to happen and is still going to be a major problem to any settlement. Both Baratheon brothers still consider the Baratheon claim valid (even if the Lannisters have been scrubbed from the capitol). In your scenario, who actually is the successor to Joffrey? Stannis or Renly? King Stannis is certainly not going to accept losing two of the seven kingdoms in perpetuity. If he can bring Highgarden and Storms End in line (assume he still assassinates Renly via Melissandre's shadow ninja babies), and then uses his kingly powers to dispossess the Tyrells via attainder to award Highgarden to his in-laws, the Florents, Robb has a massive problem on his hands. King Renly and Queen Margaery would probably be more cavalier about the existence of the Kingdom of the North, as long as Robb stays in his lane, possibly attempting to orchestrate some sort of loose feudal submission. Listen, you can yourself whatever you want, as long as we all pay taxes, don't try to topple me and we all still use the common coin of the realm. In time, perhaps some sort of marital alliances will work to knit the Riverlands and North back into the overall network of the Seven Kingdoms. Sansa would be a suitable wife for Willas, and would become one of the great feudal matriarchs of the continent in time. I'm assuming that if Renly has prevailed, Stannis is dead, so perhaps King Renly attempts to broker a marriage with Shireen and Rickon (who is younger), for the governance of Dragonstone to help cement the family ties. Arya perhaps could end up with some higher tier Baratheon or Tyrell vassal. It is entirely not within his character for Robb to attempt to take the Iron Throne himself. Let's assume that he goes whole hog megalomaniac and does. He is going to have devise a way to subdue the Storms End/Highgarden alliance (Renly) and Dragonstone (Stannis). His court will be crawling with Freys, alas. Catelyn (since we won the war, her decision making must be more successful) will be given a powerful advisory (although probably informal) role, unless she is sent back to Winterfell to rule in Bran's name in a regency capacity. The Stark/Frey regime is going to have enemies at all sides. Robb could attempt to entice Highgarden back into the realm by offering Sansa to Willas, but from Highgarden HQ's perspective, having a Tyrell daughter be Queen is better than having a Tyrell son be the king's goodbrother, so that's probably not going to be effective. I predict another massive civil war.
  9. There is the Mad Maid of Oldtown, Malora Hightower, who stays up with her father up in the apartments of the actual Hightower, surrounded by her books. Other's mentioned Asha Greyjoy, who is both a hot pirate chick sea captain and a lover of books. Sad to say, but I think a lot of the blue-stocking girls among the Westerosi nobility probably get shunted off into the convent.
  10. Another Morna fan!
  11. This is a great list. I hope we meet Wylla Manderly again! I would add Zei, the Moletown prostitute who is good with a crossbow, Morna White Mask, who was basically just invested with one of the Night's Watch castles and fief for her tribe, I adored Lady Ravella Smallwood who was kind to Arya, but has a saucy bawdy attitude, I am amused by 'Gatehouse' Ami Darry and her prim, practical mother, Lady Mariya and I want to know everything that there is to know about the historical 'Mad' Lady Danelle Lothston with her very goth black armor and bat insignia. I would read an entire novella about Elinor Tyrell, Margaery's coquettish, flirty cousin who is almost certainly banging Aurane Waters. Why do the appendices list the following random Lannister women - Lady Margot, and Ser Stafford's daughters Cerenna and Myrielle? They have haven't appeared in the books, but I presume they will at some point. Other little tidbits that interest me - what the heck is with the Pennytree, will we ever see Queen Rhaeyra's crown again? For that matter, what about Dark Sister or Blackfyre? Who is the Ward of Rosby, and I need to understand about the Council of the Most Devout - are Septas also seated upon it? There is a reference that an ecclesiastical trial by the Faith has seven judges, and if the defendant is a woman, Septas also serve among the judges - I hope we see that with either Cersei's or Margaery's trials. Also, what is the purpose of the color-coded Septas, white blue and grey - I presume that there are orders of devotion among the, like a nursing order devoted to the Mother - we saw that there are septries devoted to the Smith, for example.
  12. There was reference to a process in The Rogue Prince in which Prince Daemon wanted to set aside his Royce wife, which included a petition that required the king's permission (which he denied). So, it seems that there is a system in place, but it's very rarely used?
  13. You shall forever have a special place in my heart for "gold bucket challenge."
  14. Just to kick it around a little further. So we have Ser Arwen, the Oakheart heir, safely married to Rynne Rowan, daughter of Lady Rowena of House Rowan (just because I want it to be a lady regnant of Goldengrove for no real reason), Lady Alenna is married to Theos Fossaway, new Lord of New Barrel..... and - plot twist- there was a third Oakheart sibling, a younger sister, umm, Arwyse. Ser Arven corks off on schedule within our imaginary scenario before siring any little acorns in his Rowan wife. Lady Alenna has given her Fossaway husband three children, Jon, the heir to New Barrel, his little brother Joss, and a new baby girl, Jennet. Old Lord Oakheart has a spare heir(ess), the teen aged daughter Arwyse. Nothing much of a dowry was set aside for her (Alenna as the oldest daughter got the fat dowry to attract a high ranking husband... Lord Oakheart was thinking of pushing his extra daughter into the Faith) , so she has no husband or fiance from a middling house to push for her. If Lady Alenna knew the deal when she married into House Fossaway (that she was quitting her claim to Old Oaks), but then her brother died, even though she is well situated as Lady of House Fossaway, could she attempt to exclude her little sister Arwyse in favor of one of her sons? And what would be preferable to Tyrell HQ? This is where the reciprocal duty between the Tyrell overlord and his Oakheart vassal kicks in (they are supposed to safeguard and enforce valid inheritance claims). Suppose that Lady Arwyse does have her own promised husband, a lesser Florent son, or even an heir to a third tier house so now we have the Fossaways vying against that other family - what's a wise Lord of Highgarden to do?