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  1. To be honest I had to double check that she was in the Vale as well because I wasn't sure if I was remembering correctly. I don't think it's really a question of "automatic recognition" so much as like reasonable suspicion, you know? I definitely think the fact that "Alayne" bears some resemblance at least to Catelyn would add to the questions people should be having about her, and for example Bronze Yohn does do a bit of a double take when he first sees "Alayne" asking if he knows her. When you add up all the factors like LF's close relationship to Catelyn, Lysa being Sansa's aunt, LF suddenly showing up with this girl who bears some resemblance to Catelyn...again I think it's a wonder more people don't know. I give the Mad Mouse a lot of credit, he seems to be the only one operating with a brain in terms of looking for Sansa, because of course she would go to the Vale. And I think that bears out with what we will see, because I do expect that it will be revealed that Bronze Yohn and Myranda both already know Alayne is Sansa and there may be even more. Perhaps Lady Waynwood as well who comments on "Alayne" being "gently bred."
  2. I mean, considering that Catelyn was in the Vale in the first book I'd say many people saw her.
  3. Yeah, I mean 100% expect this to all blow up in LF's face at some point. I saw a lot of this kind of erroneous thinking especially during the tv show with LF that he's sort of infallible and people don't expect him to go out like a chump. To that I say that LF may be very clever and intelligent, but he is also emotionally compromised and I'd say incapable of guarding his feelings around and towards Sansa. I expect that to somehow, whether directly or indirectly, lead into his downfall. I agree, I don't know how LF sees #3 coming to fruition, considering Tyrion is in the wind. LF would need a friend on the throne in order to broker an annulment of Tyrion's and Sansa's marriage so he can then use Sansa as a marriage token in whatever alliance he wants to form. I don't see who LF could possibly see as that replacement to Cersei...perhaps he is more in league with the Tyrells than even previously imagined and is counting on a pliable Tommen with no Cersei left to go after Sansa. Yes this is a good point on Brune. He certainly knows many, if not all, of LF's dark secrets. I do find it interesting that during the descent to the Gates of the Moon Sansa and Myranda spend some time talking about Brune and his obvious crush on Mya Stone. Don't know how or if that could play into things but that may be another piece to consider. This has bothered me for a while ...I feel like the "Alayne" disguise is so see-through it's almost comical. Like everyone knows LF's past relationship with Catelyn and Lysa and all of a sudden he shows up with this beautiful girl right around Sansa's age who looks a lot like a young Catelyn. Sansa is said to be identical looking to Catelyn, he can dye her hair all he wants but how are more people not putting this together. That's why I kind of like the idea that Myranda for one already suspects that Alayne is Sansa and just shows up to make the descent with Sansa and mention Jon's name just to elicit that exact reaction to confirm her suspicions. I think LF in a sense has two competing goals...One is absolute power and two is to get the girl. I think he undoubtedly sees Sansa as his Catelyn replacement and he has a need to get Sansa. That's why we see this insane level of creepy pedo-grooming going on where LF is simultaneously telling Sansa to act like his daughter while at the same time demanding kisses and signs of affection from her. I think ultimately that his need to get love from Sansa will be his downfall and prevent him from achieving one. For me, I like the narrative that that for as smart as LF is he has not learned the lesson he should have learned from his first failure when he fought Brandon for Catelyn. And instead of moving on from that and going to himself "hey, maybe I wasn't meant to get the girl" there's still a major part of him that thinks Catelyn should have been his and he's replaying that out with Sansa.
  4. I think this is pretty spot-on. I'm not sure anyone views Skahaz as being truly loyal to Dany, not even Dany herself and readers as well. He's loyal to himself and his "vision" of Meereen, which certainly involves getting vengeance on the other noble families, especially the Loraqs who the Kandaqs seem to have some sort of Montague/Capulet feud with. I'm not sure I see him being clever enough to come up with the poison plot to implicate Hizdahr though...Skahaz seems to be more of a simple violent brute than a manipulator of that order. I still say that Hizdahr is a patsy, but he's a patsy for whoever the real Harpy is which I'm pretty convinced is the Green Grace (who is leading the Harpies that also include Reznak the "perfumed seneschal.")
  5. From what I can understand, the first step of LF's plan is for "Alayne" to seduce and win over Harry, without Sansa revealing herself. Step 2 involves Sweet Robin "having an accident" and Harry making his claim to the Vale as a result. Step 3 involves Sansa's marriage being annulled through Tyrion's death (and I'd imagine LF is also counting on Cersei botching things and getting the Lannisters killed off). Once those 3 steps happen, then "Alayne" can reveal herself as Sansa and you'd have this new "power couple" which the Knights of the Vale would support for their claim to the North and you'd have LF behind it all. Edited to add that I think it's acknowledged that "Alayne" is below Harry's station, but if she can charm Harry on the side while LF negotiates with Waynwood regarding a dowry before they tie the knot that's why LF would be able to broker a marriage between the 2. I think once Sansa is revealed you could have LF, Brune, and probably Bronze Yohn/Myranda (remember Bronze Yohn has seen Sansa pretty recently on the way to taking Waymar to the Night's Watch and seems to be a pretty open supporter of the Starks and Tullys) all attest to her identity. I think obviously that the biggest wrench in all this is LF's personal feelings towards Sansa getting in the way and him overplaying his hand in front of her. Factor in that the "Mad Mouse" has now seen "Alayne" and may harbor suspicions about her true identity as well as whatever game Myranda Royce is playing (I'm of the opinion that she probably already has deduced Sansa's identity based on Sansa's impulsive reaction to hearing that Jon was named LC of the Night's Watch, which based on the seeming randomness of that remark by Myranda was probably specifically designed to elicit that type of response from Sansa).
  6. To me there's a big difference between "Saint Jon" and seeing Jon as "selfless and pure-ish." Like I don't obviously think of Jon as being a saint but I do find him to be pretty selfless and pure-ish, especially as far as characters in ASOIAF go. Also, mileage may vary, but I don't think there's necessarily a correlation between a character being mostly good and a character being boring. I find Jon to be interesting mainly because he is a good person stuck navigating an unfair and mostly ungood world in ASOIAF- especially once you bring "ruling" into the equation in terms of him becoming Lord Commander. I agree with this. I think Jon will and should become darker after the events at the end of ADWD. We may see him finally say enough's enough with the NW and his vows. Who knows? I'd say there is about 0% or less than 0% of the bolded happening. And I'd also go further and say that for all the Stark children...I do not see any conflict directly between them happening (possibly indirect, like if Manderley is manipulating Rickon or something like that). And I also don't think Jon "wanting Winterfell" is that important to him as a character so I'm not sure I really see it coming THAT much into play...I definitely think Jon's fight is North of Winterfell with the Others, and he may be getting to the point where he realizes being in the NW is not the best spot for him to be in order to save the realm.
  7. Why? You're the one arguing Jon needs to tell Stannis right away about Mance for....reasons? I don't know why Jon needs to inform Stannis of anything about this, let alone that Stannis is miles away marching to a life or death battle against the Boltons. And yeah, Jon doesn't know anything that has led him to believe Stannis knows about Mance except for the fact that Stannis specifically made a show of gifting "Rattleshirt" to Jon and that Melisandre, Stannis's confidant and "true queen" is telling Jon that Jon saved Mance's life by arguing to Stannis. Why is any of this relevant to "legality" and why does "legality" only seem to apply to Jon Snow and not Ramsay Bolton? Jon has no idea that Mormont came to the same conclusion as him. We as readers know better however. I don't recall Jon ever thinking that Mormont wouldn't approve, in fact Jon at one point thinks that it should be Mormont treating with Tormund and not Jon. And again, we have Mormont's thinking from A Storm of Swords. He explicitly says that the Wall was designed to guard the realms of men, and the wildlings were men...you can draw your own conclusions about what that means but I'd think it's pretty obvious what he's saying there. If you want to talk about the North's "feelings" for Jon Snow vs Ramsay Bolton, that's entirely another topic. I think it's pretty clear that 99% of the North hates the Boltons in general and 99.9% of the North hate Ramsay Bolton in particular, so in the battle of Ned Stark's bastard who looks like Ned and has a direwolf vs Roose Bolton's bastard who has committted all forms of atrocities against fellow Northmen and women...I think the majority of support would go for Jon.
  8. This is a good point. As I posted earlier, I find it interesting that both Jon and Mormont come to the same conclusion about the wildlings when they recite "the shield that guards the realms of men" portion of the vows. At the end of the day, it would make sense that the quote "original" portion of the vows would focus on the true duties at the heart of being in the Night's Watch, while the quote "added-on" portion of "not holding lands" etc. would be more practical additions to help reinforce the duties of guarding the realms of men. There is a ton of debate over whether Stannis knows about Melisandre's trick or not. While I agree I don't think Stannis knows, there is plenty of evidence in ADWD from which it could be inferred that Stannis knows exactly what Melisandre did and that it was ultimately his decision. What part about Ramsay's marriage with a fake "Arya" is lawful? The whole marriage is an unlawful sham. Except as I just said above and I reproduced the exact quote earlier in this thread, the Old Bear came to the exact same conclusion Jon did independently of Jon. I don't think it is remotely out of the question that had the Old Bear survived the trip back to Castle Black, he may have attempted some kind of peace negotiations with Mance and the wildlings. Second, are Flint and Norrey not of the North? They are probably some of the oldest of the old-school Northmen who hate the wildlings and live geographically the closest to them, and even they are impressed with Jon when he reveals to them that he got Tormund to agree to give him hostages. Again, define "lawful" and why any of that term would apply to Ramsay and anything to do with the Boltons in general, and more specifically Ramsay's sham marriage to "Arya"? What part of any of this is "lawful?" Was breaking all "laws" of hospitality to murder Robb Stark "lawful?" How about being "legitimized" by a bastard child with no legal claim to the Iron Throne? Was that "lawful"? Has any of Ramsay's behavior over the course of the series been "lawful"? You want to focus on the "renegade lord commander" but not the worst monsters in the series ? Ok.
  9. I could be wrong, but at the time Quaith warned Dany, Connington and Faegon were headed towards Dany. Of course, Tyrion/Connington's greyscale changed those plans. It seems pretty clear that pale mare=plague, kraken is Victarion, Dark flame is Moqorro, lion and griffin are Tyrion and Connington, and Sun's son and mummers dragon are Quentyn and Faegon. I don't really see who else the mummer's dragon could be referring to, it has to be Faegon. As for Quentyn, I just take it as a general warning of where his loyalties lie. He is not loyal to Dany, he is only loyal to Dorne and the second Dany becomes a liability for Dorne she becomes a liability for Quentyn. As for your final question, it's interesting that no chapters refer to Quentyn by name. But we do have his POV which doesn't really make sense unless it really is Quentyn. As for Dragontamer, Quentyn does sort of tame one of the dragons . It's the other one that gets him.
  10. Again, there's nothing in the vows about "not interfering in quarrels" or "taking no sides" or any nonsense like that. So there's no difference between what Tywin is doing and what Jon is doing. Yes, the person may be arrested for conspiracy to commit murder or worst-case attempted murder, but he would not be arrested for murder. You can't have a murder if you know, nobody is actually murdered. Likewise, there's no treason if you don't actually have a treason. At best under a criminal code you would have conspiracy. As Mormont points out, the way you would be trying to enforce this all the brothers who go to Mole's Town should also be convicted and killed for treason, which would make a population of about 2 people in the Night's Watch maybe?
  11. Yeah, I find Ramsay pretty boring. Roose and Lady Dustin are both very interesting though so they can compensate a little bit for my boredom with Ramsay. But yeah, I just find Ramsay to be this annoying stock villain with no nuance or shades of grey. He's just there to do any unspeakably awful thing that GRRM can come up with. It's certainly grating to me to have to read about the stuff he's doing with Jeyne and Theon when there seems to be no purpose to it other than to show again and again how awful and monstrous he is.
  12. Yes this. Stoneheart is not this mindless creature many portray her as on here. She is of course consumed by revenge on the Freys and is certainly a "darker shadow" than Beric but she is also capable of compassion and differentiating friend from foe. We've seen that she has set up or at least is involved with and supports the orphanage at the Crossroads Inn. But yeah, I do think she would kill Roslin happily. From her perspective, Roslin was involved in the Red Wedding moreso even than many other Freys.
  13. I think both of these can be correct. I would never have even guessed upon reading that Oberyn may have poisoned Tywin, but the evidence presented in that thread is pretty compelling. Having said that, I do think there's definite subtext here as well. Not only does Tywin have this stinking corpse, but his lips stretch back to give him this ridiculous smile which Cersei makes note of numerous times. Definitely think that is further subtext for a guy who famously hated to laugh and did not trust smiles or jokes to be dead like that.
  14. huh? Except he didn't. This is like saying someone's guilty of murder if they conceive of a plan to murder someone, but before they even reach the location of their target they are convinced otherwise and don't follow through with the murder. Are they still guilty of murder? Jon thought about "skirting his oaths to go save loved ones", but he didn't. So he wasn't executed. There was no crime, any more than the men who go off every night to Mole's Town aren't deserting. Jon took a ride during the night when he could have been sleeping and did not have duties to attend to, he was back in the morning to fulfill the duties he had when he was needed to. How is it desertion?
  15. In many ways the NW has become obsolete by the time the first book comes around. And it's a bit tragic that as the NW is becoming more and more obsolete, the true purpose behind the NW is revealing itself and becoming a threat again. I think nothing sums up the status of the Wall and the NW better than LC Mormont in ASOS: Of course, Jon Snow independently comes to this exact same conclusion later on in ADWD. He shuts down Marsh when he complains about the wildlings coming through being treason by throwing this exact same line at Marsh: Of course, Marsh's response to this is to be caught looking like a fool, stunned into silence with a flush creeping up his neck. I find it interesting that both Jon and Mormont arrive at the same conclusion- something about being the commander of the NW, Bloodraven warging the bird that follows them around perhaps? And I find it interesting that both Jon and Mormont are attacked/murdered by the pathetic dregs representing the decline of the NW. Here's what Mormont complains about openly to Tyrion early on in AGOT: You have both Mormont and Jon being "killed" by these "sullen boys and tired old men" later on. And I also find it interesting that Mormont ends his tirade waxing nostalgia about the old days of the Watch, and in Jon's final chapter before he is "killed" in ADWD Jon has that final lament about the Shieldhall and how it used to be covered with the shields of the noble houses that had sons who served on the NW but now there's nothing left. So yeah, in short I'd say pretty much everything about the NW has become obsolete by ADWD. The true threat they were built up to stop is here, and you have Jon making a legitimate effort to prepare the NW to fight that threat, but he is stymied by the Bowen Marshes of the NW who don't see the true threat and only care about fighting wildlings.