Lord Varys

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    Most Devious 'Man' In The Seven Kingdoms
  • Birthday 11/25/1982

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  1. Was there any foreshadowing for Aegon living?

    There are hints, both Varys/Illyrio's reluctant support of Viserys in combination with them actually wanting a Dothraki invasion as well as the House of the Undying - and there, in fact, both the vision of Aegon, Rhaegar, and Elia with Aegon identified as the promised prince and the one whose song is the song of ice and fire as well as the cloth dragon vision. In addition there is Varys repeatedly citing Rhaenys' murder as a dreadful crime but always omitting Aegon's fate in that. That certainly can be another hint. Many people had long figured out that either Aegon or a guy claiming to be him would eventually show up by the time of ASoS (and some even back during ACoK).
  2. Stark cousins

    We know that Catelyn and Robb consider the claims of Jocelyn Stark's descendants when they discuss his succession. Artos' descendants never come up, suggesting either that his line did not live to Robb's day, or that they are too far removed and obscure to be important. What we can safely say, though, is that there are no other male cadet branches running around in Westeros in the time of AGoT. The only lordly branch of House Stark is Eddard's. My guess is that Artos' sons and/or grandchildren may either have died during the long winter of 230-236 AC, during another winter, or perhaps during some other war. We don't yet know whether any Stark fought in the War of the Ninepenny Kings (I'm not so sure about that) but Artos sons and grandsons certainly could depending on the time of their birth. If Artos had any granddaughters married into a powerful northern house one would assume that this would have come up in the discussion of the succession. Such descendants could have been alternatives to Jocelyn Stark's Vale descendants. In general winter and cold should always be a good explanation for the culling of the Stark family tree. If the Starks don't lose a bunch of their own every winter then this whole stuff about winter being bad and all simply would just be talk.
  3. Varys and Qyburn are both styled 'Lord' since they joined the Small Council but it is an empty honor. They have neither castles, nor lands, or levies. This is discussed early on. Varys would have gotten his title from Aerys, and Cersei later follows that example when she grants Qyburn the same title.
  4. The Littlefinger Enigma!

    Tyrion actually is unsure whether Cat told him the truth about the dagger - Littlefinger gives nothing away and is so confident that Tyrion second-guesses the whole thing. But he clearly mistrusts him and takes steps to eventually get rid of him, but he can't in the middle of the war. Sacking Littlefinger would have effectively closed down the treasury, and while the Lannisters have a lot of gold Tywin couldn't really transport any coin to KL prior to the Blackwater - if the Goldcloaks and other key personnel in the city were no longer paid, KL would not be able to withstand a siege even for a day. There is an explanation why Littlefinger told the dagger lie and why Varys didn't contradict him there. Both men must have known that it was Robert who won the dagger, not Tyrion, and if the Starks learned that it could lead to trouble, too. By the time Littlefinger tells his lie neither he nor Varys knew why Cat wants to know about the dagger, or whether the actual owner of the dagger, Robert, has something to do with it. Presumably they have concluded that Cat's wounds were caused by the dagger, so there was some sort of assassination attempt. But they both have no way to know that Bran didn't just fall or that there was an attempt on his life. Choosing Tyrion as the culprit is actually pretty smart. He is far away (Littlefinger has to know that Tyrion wasn't with the royal party by then) and thus both he and Varys can convince Cat not to act against him before he returns - or so Littlefinger may have thought (he tries to that later on). Littlefinger, of course, knows that Cat has read Lysa's letter and already mistrusts the Lannisters - so he reinforces that point with that lie, knowing that she most likely won't confront Tyrion and the Lannisters. Remember, she later only abducts him because Tyrion has seen her own the roan and now knows that she must know about the dagger. In addition, Varys may actually have conspired with Littlefinger to murder Jon Arryn. Neither of them had anything to gain from the revelation of the incest at this point.
  5. What if the Starks had 4 seats

    The English situation during the Wars of the Roses was a symptom of a late medieval development - accumulation of wealth and lands in the hands of very few families due to crucial marriages and inheritances (the same way House Hapsburg took over Europe roughly in the same time) - as well as a rather specific local situation (the creation of powerful magnates with royal blood beginning in the reign of Edward III - other monarchs in Europe had little to no problems with their second or third cousins). Story-wise George greatly draws inspiration from the era of the Wars of the Roses while he seems to have modeled his feudal landscape more on the England in or shortly after the Norman Conquest (the Targaryens effectively are very much based on the Norman/Plantagenet Kings of England). But in the real world society changed greatly between 1066 and the late 15th century while there was no real progress/change/technological advance in Westeros since, well, the introduction of steel-making. A medieval king in reality - around the time of the Norman Conquest or even a few years earlier - would have to be a traveling king simply because nobody would obey him or heed his word if he was far away and the lord in question had his own strong/impregnable castle. The idea that a kingdom like the North (or later the entirety of Westeros) can be ruled centralistically from a castle like Winterfell without more modern institutions like a strong and capable royal administration/bureaucracy and, more importantly, a strong standing royal army/police force is just not very believable. One can reasonably say that Aegon the Conqueror could afford to be merciful and generous during the Conquest - he had huge dragons. If the Starks, Lannisters, or Arryns would ever rise against him he could eradicate them very efficiently. But the Targaryens were really unique in that - the Starks, Lannisters, Arryns, Durrandons, etc. had no reason to assume that the royal houses they humbled and deposed would not rise against them later on. I mean, how realistic is it that in a world which includes great guys like Walder Frey, Tywin Lannister, Gregor Clegane, Littlefinger, or Roose and Ramsay Bolton a forced oath (sworn at sword point after a lost battle) is really considered to be binding by the guy who has been forced to swear such a vow. And it really seems that most of the petty kings were deposed this way - only the Gardeners seem to be famous for conquering other kingdoms with marriages and treaties. The freak seasons certainly would have an effect on Westerosi society, but I really don't see how this could have preserved the feudal system rather than motivating people to move towards centralism.
  6. The Littlefinger Enigma!

    They exchange a lot of friendly jokes in the books and really seem to have the same sort of humor. And then there is the fact that Littlefinger actually suggests to Ned to eventually make Renly king after they have used Joff and the Lannisters to deal with Stannis. In addition, one of the points Littlefinger makes when he convinces Cersei and Tyrion to send him as Joffrey's envoy to the Tyrells is that he has given Loras no reason to dislike him while he was at court. Littlefinger could only have gotten reasonably close to Loras through Renly, one assumes.
  7. R+L=J v.157

    I can say the same about the idea that Rhaegar wanted to recreate the Conqueror and his sister-wives. That certainly is over-analysis, as is dragging Rhaenys into all this. All we know for a certainty is that Rhaegar thought there must be three special Targaryen descendants in connection to the promised prince, and that another one besides Aegon was already there when Aegon arrived. Who that other head was is unclear. I for one aren't buying anyone's arguments based on the current sources claiming that they/we know who the other dragon head was. I'm not saying it was Viserys or Rhaegar himself. I just put that forth as an alternative to Rhaenys. And that is based on my thinking that neither Aemon nor Rhaegar would have been as stupid as to completely exclude the possibility of the promised prince being female if they (or one of them) thought that his companions could or must be female. I mean, if two of the heroes can be girls why not the hero himself, too? And from Aemon we know that the original prophecy - written either in Valyrian or some other foreign language - doesn't specify the gender of the promised prince. If it did Aemon couldn't possibly have attributed his later belief that the old interpretation about 'a promised prince' was an error that crept into the whole thing with the translation. The original most likely spoke of a scion of the Targaryen/dragonlord family or just about a dragon (which, in this context, would have meant the human scion of a dragonlord family, not an actual dragon). Vice versa, if the original didn't specify the gender of the promised prince, then the original most likely also doesn't specify the gender of the companions, making it even more unlikely that Rhaegar would have found any basis in the prophecy to conclude that the other dragon heads must be female (or the full siblings of the promised prince). Granted, perhaps Rhaegar wasn't basing any of his thoughts on the prophecy at the time of his vision. Perhaps he started to have his own baseless thoughts about historical or cosmic symmetry or something like that. But if that's the case we cannot possibly know. If we speculate about the whole thing then we have to believe that his thoughts and actions are very much rooted in the prophecies both Aemon and Marwyn are familiar with (and Aerys/Rhaella, Jaehaerys II, and other Targaryens, too) which was expanded by the Ghost of High Heart with her prophecy.
  8. The point I was trying to make is that Nestor Royce already bears the title 'Lord' long before he Littlefinger gives him the Gates of the Moon. Whether he is a lord by courtesy or whether that title came with the office Jon Arryn gave him - High Steward of Vale, ruling the Vale of Arryn during his tenure as Hand of the King - isn't clear. But he styled and addressed as Lord both in the appendix and the text since AGoT, and he also has an heir of his own. In that sense Littlefinger would only have added meat to his lordship - the Gates of the Moon - not exactly changed his rank or changed the feudal landscape of the Vale in a way involving a third party. But then, this whole grant is very shaky indeed. All Nestor Royce has is Littlefinger's signature. King Tommen or any other king might not recognize that as sufficient enough should he ever come into a position of direct power in the Vale. And, more importantly, neither Robert Arryn (when he reaches adulthood) or Harrold Hardyng (should he ever inherit the Vale) had anything to do with that. The question whether a mere Lord Protector can give away castles held by the Arryns isn't clear at all. Lord Robert certainly could later claim that his stepfather didn't have the authority to do so. We should keep in mind that there is a difference between Lord Protector and Regent - with the latter usually having more power. Lysa named Littlefinger Lord Protector of the Vale but she still remained in charge of everything. Since her death Littlefinger is the highest authority in the Vale by default (and because he controls the Lord Arryn) but that doesn't mean his decrees have the same authority as those coming from Lord Arryn himself or his regent (which he no longer has).
  9. Landless younger sons

    Prince Daeron is 'heir to Summerhall' in the coat of arms made by George for THK comic. Summerhall was Maekar's hereditary seat in 209 AC. And we also know that Daeron eventually becomes Prince of Summerhall himself, most likely after Aerys I names Maekar Prince of Dragonstone in the wake of Prince Aelor's death. Daeron later becomes Prince of Dragonstone after Maekar ascends the throne, but prefers to be styled Prince of Summerhall because Dragonstone is such a gloomy place. Whether Summerhall then passes to Prince Aerion isn't clear yet.
  10. R+L=J v.157

    I don't think the ground is solid there at all. It is a nice story, but in light of the fact that Rhaegar would be, in fact, blatantly wrong if he ever believed the promised princes two companions would have to be an older and a younger sister or that he needed siblings as his companions. After all, we have very good reasons to assume that neither Daenerys nor Jon Snow have any Targaryen-blooded full siblings left. If Rhaegar's conclusions were based on pretty straightforward passages of the prophecy he read then one would assume that Dany as promised princess would be in need of a full sister and a full brother, and Jon Snow in the same role would need two full sisters. Both seems to be impossible right now. If the Targaryen prophecy did in any way predict something correctly then it cannot have possibly predicted that there must be three Targaryen siblings as the three dragon heads (assuming that this phrase was even used in the prophecy which I'd concede). Just projecting convenient ideas into Rhaegar's thought process doesn't resolve anything. I'm not saying that Kevan had any special insight into Rhaegar's thinking after the birth of Aegon, but neither do we. 'There must be one more' doesn't mean 'There must be another daughter' or 'Aegon needs another sister'. It seems to be mean another dragon head since his next sentence is 'The dragon has three heads.' In light of the fact Aegon was male 'There must be one more.' could easily have meant 'There must be another male Targaryen' or 'I have to have another son.' The truth is that Rhaenys is never mentioned in all that, and there is no hint that she figures into the entire question at all. It is us who jump from 'The dragon has three heads' to the Targaryen banner and its origins, but that doesn't mean Rhaegar had the same line of thought. If he was talking prophecy there - and that seems to be the case - then there is no reason that this would have anything to do with Aegon and his sisters because as far as we know they aren't mentioned in the prophecy at all.
  11. Landless younger sons

    There are septries and motherhouses and such all over the place. We never see them, but they seem to be there. Or have been there, at least in the Riverlands. Presumably quite a few of them controlled vast holdings having their own smallfolk working as their tenants, just like medieval monasteries did. Else the Faith simply couldn't be very rich. But the richest septons/orders most likely are based in the big cities - KL, Oldtown, Lannisport, Gulltown, and White Harbor.
  12. Landless younger sons

    I'm pretty sure the last High Septons came all from the greater or middle tier noble houses. And we know that there is a least one Frey among the Most Devout, and we know that there were two Targaryen septas (Maegelle and Rhaena). The Faith had little real power since the reign of Jaehaerys I but it still seems to be it is still insanely rich. The Faith lent Robert and Joffrey about a million golden dragons, not exactly a small sum. And it doesn't look the Faith has become impoverished over that. Quite the contrary, actually.
  13. The Queen's Revenge

    Varys most likely didn't know exactly know where the wildfire was hidden across the city, but we can be pretty sure he knows where the wildfire beneath the Red Keep was (or is). And he certainly has the manpower (or rather the birdpower) to get them moved where he wants to jars to be. If I was Varys and thought I could use those jars one day in the future I'd store them in a (nearly) airtight chamber. Without air even wildfire should be harmless, and there must be some such rooms down beneath the Red Keep. And Varys has no reason to wait until the wildfire gets volatile. He could have removed it shortly after the Sack. In that context one could also ask what plan Varys had in plan to survive the inferno. Even if Aerys tried to keep him in the dark (rather unlikely considering that he was supposed be always at the king's side) he wouldn't have been successful if Chelsted could find out. Hiding beneath the castle wouldn't have worked - perhaps not even if there hadn't been hidden wildfire beneath the Red Keep - because the huge inferno would inevitably have sucked all the oxygen out of the secret passages and dungeons, suffocating anyone down. In light of the fact that Varys most likely didn't want to die, and most likely also wanted the KL population to die one can speculate whether he used Jaime as a pawn back then to prevent the wildfire plan. Or he may have his own plan in place to take out Rossart's people. If there is an inferno Varys and Aegon certainly could cause it - they might end up in a position where they are not exactly gracious enough to allow Dany to take the city intact (but it is rather unlikely that Varys would step so low).
  14. The Queen's Revenge

    Well, I don't really. That would kill about a million innocent people, give or take. Even if we assume Varys had not enough interactions with the pyromancers during Aerys' days - you know, he would have been most likely been present during or at least informed about all those wildfire plans - or hadn't researched the topic himself (he knows enough about magic to understand that both Renly and Penrose were murdered by a shadowbinder) one would assume that he would have learned about the volatile nature of the wildfire during the preparation for the Blackwater. Everybody knew about that by the time Tyrion had the City Watch instructed to treat the substance in general with care and the old fruits with the utmost care. But still - the idea that Varys would allow hundreds of jars of wildfire remain in a place under the Red Keep is just nonsensical. He would have known where they were, and had thus had any opportunity to remove them. Even if he didn't destroy them but hid them somewhere only he would know where they were and he would never hand them over to Cersei so that she can burn Aegon's city down. Other storages may still be out there but nobody knows where they are, so if there is a wildfire inferno it will be an accident, not a planned operation. That could perhaps if there is fire in the city, say, during a dragon attack or something similar. Rossart arranged the whole wildfire thing and his colleagues who Jaime later also killed were the only ones besides him who knew about the places where the wildfire was hidden. Jaime and Brienne clearly don't know that it is still a danger - but then, they certainly aren't experts in this entire field.
  15. There is no problem there, really. Who are you to say that Walder Frey did not want to join Hoster and Robert Baratheon at the Trident? What prove do you have to support such a claim? If a liege lord or king construed coming to late as treason he wouldn't remain in charge for long since, you know, this is a medieval setting, the roads are bad, the weather can seriously delay you, and there are situations in which it is completely impossible to cross a river. If a king or liege lord did ignore all that he would became very unpopular very quickly. And in light of the fact that Robert showed much leniency with the actual Targaryen loyalists there is no chance whatsoever that he would punish a house that actually wanted to help and effectively turned out to be neutral.