• Content count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

About TheCasualObserver

  • Rank
    Council Member
  1. Boltons, Freys and Karstarks

    So Roose took no precautions? No instructions in the event of an untimely death? The man who planned the red wedding couldn't spot a likely betrayal andhad no interest in safe guarding himself or his interests in the eventbecause he was "too proud"? I'm putting this one on "plot dependent dumbassery".
  2. Boltons, Freys and Karstarks

    But why would anyone follow Ramsay now? No alliance with the south, no alliance with the Freys, lost his wife, lost an important political prisoner and murdered his father, mother in law and baby brother to boot. But Lord Karstark will ignore all of that in order to kill Jon because he's a bastard Stark? As far as he's aware Jon is just Lord Commander of the Night's watch. He's yet to make a claim on the North or raise an army or anything, so why side with a politically weakRamsay for some half assed, poorly thought out revenge on someone only tangentiallyrelated to his father's death? The politics here are just shit. When Robb made his mistakes the world of westeros crushed him. When Ramsay fucks up he survives because we need a big battle at the end of the season.
  3. Forget about Jon, let's talk about Ramsay. In short order, Ramsay has married Sansa Stark (alienating him from the Crown and the very source of legitimization which made him a Bolton), abused her (alienating him from those who would look to protect "The Ned's girl") and lost her(alienating those few who would side with him for no better reason than because he is married to a Stark. ) Sansa running away from him is also a huge blow to his personal prestige - in a society as misogynistic as Westeros, not being able to control your wife, who is your property by law, is an absolute humiliation. Accusations of cuckoldry are sure to fly, and it serves as proof that he has no control over his own household, so why would he presume to control the North? Obviously I don't think like this... but the Northern lords absolutely should. When word gets out, Ramsay is about tobecome the laughing stock of every tavern in the north. But not content with that litany of mistakes, Ramsay has now murdered Walda, wrecking any possible alliance with the Freys, and worse, has murdered his father and brother, becoming usurper and kinslayer both. My question is this - what sort of person, be they steadfast Stark loyalist or cruel and treacherous social climber (like Arnolf Karstark in the books) would think that Ramsay is the "safe bet"? He has no support from the crown, no allies, no wife and murders his own family -one of the few social taboos that can rival violating guest rights. We know that there will be a big battle at the end of the season, but with Jon revived and no doubt soon on the war path, who in their right mind would pick Ramsay in that match up? What does he bring to the table? He has found himself in a far worse position than Robb Stark was and yet will at least live until the end of the season. If you really want to create a thematic bridge with the red wedding (Roose stabbing Robb/Ramsay stabbing Roose) then finish Ramsay in exactly the same way. No one has any reason to follow him and if they do they are doing so because they are "the villains" and this has unambiguously become a comic book.
  4. I'm starting to think that I've already found the most annoying thing in the season. The Sandsneks are just nonsense, I don't give a shit about what happens on the wall, in KL or in Meereen and I don't care about upcoming Ironborn or Bran plots either. So much of the show has become white noise at this point. But Brienne saving Sansa aggravates me like nothing else. GOT is a show which is gleefully proud of itself for the idea that choices have consequences. Just look at the behind the episodes after Ned's death or the red wedding. This show is more "realistic", more "historical", presents a "truer narrative". Thisi s how the writers view their work and how many viewers understand the show, epitomized in the unbelievably smug quote "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." So why then can Brienne choose to abandon her duty and go off on a personal quest to kill Stannis before coming back in the nick of time to save Sansa anyway? Wherein lay the impact of that decision? Where were the consequences that GOT is usually so quick to present? In this moment, the show actively places the pursuit of retribution over the protection of the innocent. I'm sure Brienne will be a badass for Sansa from now on and the critics will hail it as empowered feminism at its best and how we all should have trusted D and D all along. Yet the central point will be missed entirely;given the choice between protecting an innocent and murdering a wounded and broken man, Brienne chose the latter. How can this not inform upon her character going forward? Why did the GRIMDARK world of Weisseroff not punish her for the decision as some many others have been? If Stannis had to die, wouldn't it have been more affecting (and more conclusive) if they'd gone the Mike Ermantraut route? (BREAKING BAD SPOILERS IMMINENT) Mike, a fan favourite on Breaking bad, is gutshot by Walter White and dies by the side of a river as he and Walter stand in silence. His death is denoted by a camera pan outward as we just see him keel over into the dirt. Message received; Mike is dead. It's an image that has stayed with me for three years. Stannis is badly wounded in the fighting, so why not have him kill those last two Bolton men, lie down by the tree and pan out as he realizes the scale of his failure? Dillane gets one final chance to show why he's such a class act and the final shot is him keeling over. The end of a character and an incredibly ordinarydeath for aKing (HINT - Players of the Game of Thrones die like anyone else - see? I't like a thematic point can be made). It would be perfect. We don't need to see ninja Brienne off him, because it ends up weakening three characters. Stannis because he gets a ridiculous death, Brienne because she abandons her duty and Sansa because she is prioritized second by her first sworn ally. It's just one of many examples of how the show's myopic obsession with vengeance makes it miss a simpler and more emotionally satisfying way of presenting a scene. Instead of appreciating the dramatic weight of that moment, how many people were bothered by Brienne finding Stannis in the middle of a battlefield?I'd wager there were more than the critics wouldlike to admit. Ramsay raped Sansa because his death will make for better revenge. Which is the same reason why he will kill Rickon. Because nothing matters but the revenge. Going back to Breaking bad, Mike wasn't killed because of some epic quest for vengeance. He simply lit a fire under Walter's ego. Him getting shotcame across as petty and small, instantly regretted by Walter. It presents the murder in a mature and decidedly realistic way. This is smart. GOT is not. Thank you, quick Brienne scene in episode 1, for making that so clear to me.
  5. I thought I'd give this a bump. I realize we are all experiencedranters on this thread, but this post really got to me and I give it a big thumbs up. It really is a show where characters fill whatever the episode requires, and that makes it more of a daytime soap with a budget than the Sopranos.
  6. Let's review the Sandsneks plan now that all this new information has come to light. They poison Mycrella on the dock and the ship departs. Two of them follow in a faster ship while Tyene and Ellaria stay behind. A few months later (or weeks, or days or hours, I have no idea how big westeros is) Jaime sends a bird to Dorne explaining that his daughter is dead but does not suspect Doran (removing any reason why he wouldn't simply turn the ship around in the harbor and demand the sandsneks heads) who reacts with shock and gets shanked. Side note: if they they were planning this coup all the time, was the timing of the letter just coincidence or was it a pre-arranged signal? After Jaime sends the letter but before Trystane's ship departsfor Dorne (a very tight window of time) the sandsneks (who have managed to beat the other ship back) arm themselves with a spear and whip (to murder a man in the cramped confines of a ship),get in a rowboat, board the Dornish vessel in broad daylight, (suggesting the crew were in on it... and could probably have done the assassination themselves) and kill Trystane. Trystane is armed with a far superior weapon for fighting in a small room, so luckily for the sandsneks he is alsofunctionally retarded and turns his back on someone who picoseconds earlier said they were going to kill him. Also, this scene HAS to take place before Doran's death, but was shown after for shock reasons. Also, if Cersei has her way then Trystane will be killed. If Jaime has his way Trystane will be sent right back to Dorne... and into their hands. Either of these options accomplishes exactly what the Sandsneks want. I guess the Sandsneks (whose sole motivation is taking revenge on those who harm their family)decided that if anyone was going to harmtheir family it would be them. Well, thank god they published that picture of Jaime's letter or otherwise we might think this plotline was completely idiotic and didn't make any sense! Glad to be proven wrong! #D&Daremadeofgenius
  7. Ellaria said to Have Takena An Empowering Move

    That's the attitude I expected, not approval of her action. Shouldn't the hardcore feminists be annoyed that a violent and hysterical woman murdered the sensible and reasonable man?
  8. It doesn't matter how they dress it up, or how "empowered" Sansa becomes in later episodes; the catalyst that made her do anything proactive at all was being raped. Prior to that point she was willfully ignorant of her situation and incapable of making rational decisions. If a sexual assault was the only way the writers could push the character into doing more, then that reflects very badly on the sensibilties of the show. She also joins the ranks of absolutely everybody else in being motivated by revenge.
  9. As I recall the only earnest efforts she made to control the situation was being polite when she first arrived (basic courtesy really) and telling Ramsay his claim to the dreadfort is in jeopardy. Considering that since then Roose has been lamp-shading that fact constantly, she's certainly not responsible for whatever comes from that. If we are talking about before winterfell then the only thing she did was lie to the Vale Lords about LF, which helped him, not her and indirectly contributed to her later being raped. Considering her track record for manipulation, Sansa is absolutely shit at playing the game.
  10. A cockle of COCK MERCHANTS enter stage left. "Did somebody mention male genitals?"Laughter ROLL CREDITS
  11. Would have made for some better last words; "Why didn't I order Olly NOT to stab me?. I guess I really do know nothing."
  12. Yeah, I found that very odd. Him shutting down Ramsay by explaining how fucked they are now is dumb because he engineered that situation in the first place. Of course, I was under the assumption that Cersei actually can't send an army right now, because she doesn't even have a free hand in the capital, let alone the north. Thissomewhat legitimizes the Boltons' decisionto turn on her, but totally fucks up the reasoning behind LF's plan. And I'm also sick of Roose baiting Ramsay. "You're not as great as you think you are. You fucked up (even though I did nothing to stop you) with the wifey. I'm having a child that is going to replace you. See ya!" And then in a few weeks when Ramsay turns on him people will be shocked and surprised and praise the astonishing twists. They're just not using Roose right at all. For both s5 and now apparently s6 he exists to deliver exposition to Ramsay. When Ramsay needs to do horrible shit, Roosedisappears, then comes back to complain about a situation he's supposed to have control over.
  13. EW is a special case. They used to be owned by the same parent company that owned HBO and they haveexclusives each year with the producers and cast.
  14. To be fair, he didn't say that he sent any of the 20 GOOD MEN. Presumably they wererelaxing after beating Stannis. I'm just disappointedthe hounds didn't get their moment to shine - they chased off fifty of the Ironborn's best killers.
  15. Ellaria said to Have Takena An Empowering Move

    Perhaps this simply comes from a more general read of the show? Women are badly abused, but in Dorne what little we saw of Doran painted him as a calm and reasonable ruler. From an equality perspective I guess it shows that women are just as capable of making poor decisions as the men, but this show isrevenge heavy already.