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  1. Clarification on Mirri Maz Durr

      She's deliberately not thinking about the consequences. The fact that she is willing to sacrifice her own life - which would include Rhaego - is proof enough that she accidentally sacrifices Rhaego.
  2. Clarification on Mirri Maz Durr

      I think the reason (1) and (3) seem contradictory is a problem with the wording. What I'm trying to say in (1) is that Rhaego's death is not a certainty, and MMD would have been foolish to treat it as such. It would be like someone assuming that they don't need to worry about Daenerys (and Viserys) once Aerys died.   But whether Dany would give birth in the tent is a bit more of a gamble. I would argue that MMD was just taking each step as it comes, basically. For all she knew, Dany could have been killed by Drogo's bloodriders before actually giving birth. So it doesn't really make sense to assume she had any kind of "master plan" for killing Rhaego.   Once Dany left the tent and had her labour induced, there was absolutely no chance of Rhaego surviving.
  3. Clarification on Mirri Maz Durr

      It quite clearly contradicts YOUR point that the horse was the price. Mirri Maz Duur quite openly states that the horse was NOT the price and was never going to be the price - it was a lie Dany told herself. She argues that Dany knew what the price was. Dany then asks herself is she did know the price. The suggestion is that Dany let herself believe the horse was the only price because that's what she wanted to believe.   It proves my point because it proves that the horse was not the price of the blood magic - in which case the sacrifice had to be Rhaego. If Rhaego only died because he was brought into the tent, why were Daenerys and Jorah not killed too?
  4. Clarification on Mirri Maz Durr

      Dany turned to the godswife. “You warned me that only death could pay for life. I thought you meant the horse.” “No,” Mirri Maz Duur said. “That was a lie you told yourself. You knew the price.”
  5. Clarification on Mirri Maz Durr

      Exactly. She tells Dany that the horse was never the sacrifice ("that was a lie you told yourself"), quite clearly indicating that it was her intention to sacrifice Rhaego from the beginning. But only Dany could make the sacrifice - it only worked because she told Mirri Maz Duur "do it", regardless of the price.
  6. Is Young Griff really Aegon?

      Yes ... but what do mummers use? Props and actors.
  7. Clarification on Mirri Maz Durr

      Well I'm making the argument that MMD deliberately sacrificed Rhaego because I believe that's clearly what we're shown in the text. If Rhaego had not died, what would have been the result of her magic on Drogo? Clearly Rhaego was a key factor as a sacrifice - after all, MMD states that "only death can pay for life", and then states that the horse was not enough. When she argues that Dany knew the price all along, we can infer that Mirri herself obviously knew what the price was.   My take on it is that MMD genuinely tried to help Drogo but he didn't take her advice; when she saw that he was dying and Dany was willing to make any sacrifice(*), she saw an opportunity to prevent the birth of the prophesised Dothraki saviour - and she took that opportunity, knowing that her fate was tied to Drogo's anyway.   (*) I think the most telling part of the chapter - for me, anyway - is when Dany asks if her life is needed to save Drogo, and Mirri tells her that it isn't. Not only does this quite obviously suggest that Rhaego is the sacrifice, it also ties neatly into how sacrifice is explored throughout the series.
  8. Clarification on Mirri Maz Durr

      The sacrifice to keep Drogo alive was not Drogo's horse; nor was the sacrifice Dany or Jorah (if that was the case, they would have perished too). The price was clear, and the price was Rhaego.   Had Jorah not brought her into the tent, would Rhaego have lived? Possibly. But MMD surely knew that Daenerys would be brought into the tent, given that the Dothraki are completely superstitious. All Jorah did was deliver the sacrifice. Had he not brought Daenerys into the tent, the spell would not have been completed because the necessary sacrifice would not have been present.   Just to explain that with another example - imagine if Melisandre had tried to wake the stone dragon in ASoS and her spell required Edric. She starts the spell and then Edric is saved by Davos during the ceremony. He would still have been the intended sacrifice, but Melisandre would be unable to complete her spell without him.   For what it's worth, I tend to think Mirri Maz Duur initially tried to help Drogo. But once she knew he was dying and the chance presented itself, she made the decision to prevent Rhaego's birth.   And that's the whole point of ASOIAF, isn't it? Characters make choices. MMD chose to sacrifice Rhaego, Dany chose to risk using blood magic, and Jorah chose to bring Dany into the tent. If none of the characters are responsible, it would not be interesting or compelling as drama.
  9. Is at the moment Drogon big enough?

    Drogon's wingspan was 20 feet in Daznak's Pit, and he has grown even larger by the end of ADwD. By the time Daenerys reaches Westeros (which will take months), he will be larger still.   Will any of the dragons reach the size of Balerion the Black Dread? Of course not. But they will be large enough - and powerful enough - to cause some serious damage, otherwise why even introduce them into the series? Plus Dany will not just be invading with Drogon - she will have other forces, which Aegon lacked.     Presumably they will be smaller but will more or less do the same things they would have done had they been five years older. The same is true of the Stark children, I would imagine.  
  10. Angry Got Fan AMA with GRRM.

      Tyrion is quite obviously one of the heroes of the series, even if he has been a monster at some points (which is not subtle at all lol, but nice try).
  11. Oh I've had too many breaking points: Finding out that Natalie Tena (Osha) suggested she wear a pubic wig for her nude scene, and D&D refused. Cat's monologue about Jon Snow. The whole episode "The Climb". The Red Wedding. Dany's conquest of Meereen. And then the whole of season 5 basically, but the complete butchery of Dany's final chapter really finished me off.
  12. Illogical events in both show and books.

    As has already been pointed out, Arya even worries about revealing herself to Robb and Cat because of what she's done. She also doesn't think she would be able to convince the Blackfish that she was Arya Stark. So why would she tell Roose Bolton, who is allied with people she actually fears (Rorge, Biter, and the Bloody Mummers)?   And the comparison between Barristan/Duskendale and Ramsay's 20 Good Men is absolutely fucking ridiculous LOL. One of them is a piece of backstory and one is a significant plot development that has huge ramifications for all the characters involved.
  13. Illogical events in both show and books.

      Isn't it suggested that the cost of the Faceless Men is less about money and more about sacrifice?   It's like when Melisandre tells Davos that a man with 100 cows sacrificing 1 cow means nothing, whereas a man sacrificing the only cow he has means everything.
  14. Constructive criticism for D&D

      The problem is that they didn't just "do a little sabotage". They somehow managed to burn Stannis's camp.
  15.   That wouldn't surprise me at all. I know Michelle Fairley read the first book, because I remember her commenting on her disappointment that she didn't get to do Cat's journey up to the Eyrie. And then she ended up getting increasingly sidelined after season 1 and didn't end up returning as Lady Stoneheart. Something definitely went down there IMO.